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Post by brobear on Aug 12, 2024 6:05:44 GMT -5
The Boogeyman - 9:09 AM - May 26#5692 - Siberian Tiger v Ussuri Brown Bear This was Apex Titan's last post in the Carnival. Evidently, he was banned from there.
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Post by brobear on Aug 12, 2024 8:23:33 GMT -5
This is from an unknown source. Very well written. What comes to Batalov, it is good to remember, that while he has vast knowledge concerning tigers, he is also ecosafari entrepreneur who has business to run. He is good in telling stories and when some journalist comes to visit or calls, I can´t blame him if he puts something extra to give an exciting story. And a tiger killing a big bear is a good story for sure. How true it is then is totally another thing. What some people refuse to notice is, that in different articles story is always different kind. It tends to happen, when things are made up and not paying too much attention. It alone is a good sign, that need to be careful or getting easily fooled. I don´t blame Batalov for making up a story, which might be mix of maybe 2-3 different incidents. For instance that case in which bear Chlamid harassed tigress so much, that group of hunters were gathered to hunt and shoot Chlamid, which was mentioned already 2017. They told, that they Chlamid was able to flee from hunters. This alone can be one explanation why Chlamid disappeared from that area. It´s here common knowledge, that bears understand if they are hunted and big bears aren´t stupid. When they notice, that humans are following, they make their best to avoid contact. Then another thing is, that Ochkarik has been known to kill also bear or some bears, even though black bears ( I didn´t now double check if some female brown bear too). So, when putting these things together, there is nice story of Ochkarik killing Chlamid, even though never happened in reality. When looking at this from perspective of Batalov, no big deal. He gave a good story, which in best case scenario could happen some day, or not. Batalov doesn´t necessarily know or care, that there are some fanatics, who are obsessed what comes to these things and try to use his story to prove "tiger world dominance". Batalov adores tigers and tigers need some hype. I can´t blame him doing so with some stories, which are something similar like when grandparents tell exciting stories to their grandchildren wanting to entertain them. Those stories tend to be half true, half fairy tales. When I discussed with Batalov, it was something different, I made specific questions and got straight answers. He knew that I was interested about reality, not about fancy stories. I have huge respect towards work what Batalov does, but I´ve seen how one journalist mentioned, that he is a man with a lot of stories and that reporter wondered if all are true. I think, that not. When Batalov talks serious conversations with biologists or people who are able to convince him, that they want to know what really happens, it´s one thing. But when giving interviews to non-scientific medias, some stories can be taken with a grain of salt. One other good example is that story which is from 2017. I mean claim, that Chlamid would have turned away after tigress made odd scream. I don´t believe a second, that odd scream of tigress affected to the bear. Unless it was so odd, that Chlamid thought, that there might be people. Good to notice, that back then Batalov told, that bear turned away after that scream. Still he told also, that they had to send hunters to shoot Chlamid to save tigress for being "robbed" all the time. And he told that hunters went and tried to track down Chlamid. Contradiction is very clear. If scream of tigress made Chlamid go away, why hunters made a serious try to find and kill it? Batalov told back then, that they wanted to shoot it to protect the tigress. When thinking about logical reason for a big male bear to go away.... 1. tigress screaming in a bit odd way 2. Hunters starting to follow the bear.... I take number 2 every time and that´s why I don´t take seriously that screaming story. Good story to make people amazed, but nothing more. Chlamid had followed that tigress for some time, it didn´t have any fear towards her. What Batalov says to a journalist carries no meaning. What has he published to the scientific community?
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 12, 2024 11:03:25 GMT -5
The Boogeyman - 9:09 AM - May 26#5692 - Siberian Tiger v Ussuri Brown Bear This was Apex Titan's last post in the Carnival. Evidently, he was banned from there. May, 2024? Reason?
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Post by brobear on Aug 12, 2024 12:49:52 GMT -5
The Boogeyman - 9:09 AM - May 26#5692 - Siberian Tiger v Ussuri Brown Bear This was Apex Titan's last post in the Carnival. Evidently, he was banned from there. May, 2024? Reason? No idea. I just figure that it is highly unlikely that the kid just quit on his own and hasn't returned in nearly 3 months.
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Post by brobear on Aug 12, 2024 13:02:04 GMT -5
From Peter .......About rare incidents between adult male Amur tigers and adult male Ussuri brown bears
Apart from the incidents discussed above, there's the information about incidents described by V. Mazak ('Der Tiger', 1983). The conclusion is an adult male Amur tiger is able to kill an adult male Ussuri brown bear in a fight. I'm not referring to an ambush, but to an open fight. I also don't doubt an adult male Ussuri brown bear is able to kill an adult male Amur tiger. The information available, however, suggests fights between adult males of both species are few and far between.
All in all, I'd say we could conclude an average adult male Amur tiger and an average adult male Ussuri brown bear seem to be on a kind of par. This means killing experience, large canines, agility, speed and aggression on one hand (Amur tigers) and robustness, weight, power and durability on the other (Ussuri brown bears) more or less compare. This conclusion, of course, is without exceptions. Meaning you just never know. In the end, all adult mammals are individuals and they can surprise you big time.
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Post by brobear on Aug 12, 2024 13:14:19 GMT -5
About the fake-professors post above..... Apart from the incidents discussed above, there's the information about incidents described by V. Mazak ('Der Tiger', 1983). ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The so-called incidents the fake-professor is referring to are Chlamyda' and 'Ochkarik along with Odyr and the phantom giant brown bear - both stories FICTION. domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/1606/ochkarik-chlamida?page=1 domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/1607/odyr-misha?page=1W.J. Jankowski (in Mazak, 1983) - a hunter tells of a 700 pound tiger he shot and took a picture of. The picture is all he had to show. He claims this giant tiger had killed a huge bear (species not told). He shows no evidence of a bear. The scientific community did not accept the hunters bold story - but Peter did. domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/1608/jankowski-story___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Peter says - My conclusion is an adult male Amur tiger is able to kill an adult male Ussuri brown bear in a fight. I'm not referring to an ambush, but to an open fight. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ There's not even one single peer reviewed, documented, confirmed account of a tiger ever killing an adult male brown bear. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Peter says - I also don't doubt an adult male Ussuri brown bear is able to kill an adult male Amur tiger. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ True, but this rarely happens. The biggest male tiger will not ambush a full-grown male brown bear. Neither will the biggest male tiger fight a full-grown male brown bear to defend a carcass. But, I do know of one case where an adult male brown bear chased, caught, and killed a full-grown male tiger. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Peter says..... All in all, I'd say we could conclude an average adult male Amur tiger and an average adult male Ussuri brown bear seem to be on a kind of par. This means killing experience, large canines, agility, speed and aggression on one hand (Amur tigers) and robustness, weight, power and durability on the other (Ussuri brown bears) more or less compare. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Wrong. The full-grown male brown bear has far more advantages than has the tiger, and will win such a fight nearly every time. See - domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/1152/advantages-disadvantages-face-off?page=1
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 13, 2024 8:57:03 GMT -5
Taking a highly unreliable and vague case as an evidence for conclusion is absurd. Upon what evidence? Any confirmed such case? Any scientific stats confirming that? A male Bengal tiger strives to kill a smaller sloth bear in a fight despite having a size advantage (a lot of authentic proof is there, no further explanation needed), how would a tiger beat the brown bear larger than itself when it cannot make a short work of sloth bears? Instead, evidence, stats and reasoning shows a contrary picture i.e. an adult male brown bear always dominates and beat the adult male tiger is a face-to-face fight. . There is no need to doubt. The larger bear is simply unbeatable. In wild size speaks a lot and size always determines the domination among mammal carnivores. Large carnivores always dominates or can kill smaller carnivores, it happens all over the globe, wolf-lynx, tiger-leopard, lion-hyena, etc, why would brown bear-tiger case be an exception? Since the smaller opponent evades the larger ones, it's indeed rare.
Convulsion of no authentic reason or affirmed evidence. Totally contrary to wild ecology of carnivores; no matter how tough, sloth bears cannot match tigers in strength and dominance, so why would a tiger be on par with the brown bear? I don't understand what logic tiger fans possess.
Hunting experience is very difference to fighting experience. A tiger cannot even give a good fight to a bovid in face fights (pit fights of India, South East Asia, America) which he kills and consumes in silent ambush. In terms of aggression, brown bears exhibit more than tiger (there's a lot of proof for that). Size, more flexible forelimbs, more strength, a plantigrade structure etc counts as well for the bear making bear advantages simply out matching tiger advantages. Don't know why they weren't mentioned.
Generally and exceptionally are two different terms. In general the male brown bear invariably dominates tigers of all classes. Anything else would be exception.
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Post by brobear on Aug 15, 2024 0:11:33 GMT -5
The brat. Bear fans know who I'm talking about. The radical, juvenile, biased, tiger fanboy called by many names such as Boogerman, Apex Predator, or Mountain Lord. He has posted this same (top picture) on several occasions stating (quote) "The Beast' and his neighbour, the big male brown bear." That bear (top) is possibly an adult she-bear, but more likely a 6 or 7 year old adolescent male Ussuri brown bear. The WF Admins never correct him. Bottom picture, you can see three full-grown adult predators of the RFE.
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Post by brobear on Aug 15, 2024 6:21:48 GMT -5
GENTLEMAN: THE DAY HAS FINALLY ARRIVED (MAYBE). 12 YEAR OLD MALE BENGAL TIGER FOUND DEAD, “POSSIBLY” KILLED BY A HUGE SLOTH BEAR.
Dudhwa tiger may have been killed by huge sloth bear:
BAREILLY: A tiger found dead in a water hole in Dudhwa range of Dudhwa National Park on Sunday may have been killed by a sloth bear, suspect Dudhwa officials. While no pugmarks of another tiger were found around the water hole, images of a huge sloth bear have been captured by camera traps set 150 metres from the spot. The bear had a few scratches on its face and seemed to be moving about with difficulty. “The nature of injuries on the neck and head of the tiger suggest they may have been caused during an attack by a sloth bear,” said DTR field director Ramesh Pandey. The autopsy report submitted on Monday had said the tiger was killed by a “large carnivore” but did not specifically say it was another tiger.
Though a tiger being attacked by a bear is rare, Panday recalled an incident reported from Tadoba National Park in Maharashtra in 2018 when a male tiger, ‘Matkasur’, had picked up a fight with a sloth bear near a water hole. The fight was captured on camera by a tourist. “The video showed the tiger was resting in the water when the sloth bear arrived with its cub. It fought with the bear possibly trying to defend its territory. But Matkasur lost the fight as it struggled to grip the bear’s thick fur. Fortunately, the tiger survived,” the field director said.
Pandey suspects that in Dudhwa, too, a similar situation arose. But in this case, the tiger was aged as it was over 12 years old. Such tigers are often thrown out of their territory and sometimes reside around water holes due to easy availability of prey. “This tiger may have fought with the sloth bear for dominance over the water hole as in Tadoba. However, this is not the final conclusion. We have also sought pictures captured by camera traps in Dudhwa range during tiger census of 2018. This will help us in identifying if any other tiger is in this area. “A bear is quite a powerful animal and its claws may cause deep wounds on the tiger's body,” Pandey said. Daksh Gangwar of Wildlife Trust of India, who was part of the veterinary team that conducted the autopsy, said, “The injuries were caused by a large powerful animal, possibly a carnivore. Such injuries can also be caused by a sloth bear because it has strong claws and can inflict serious injuries on a tiger."
m.timesofindia.com/city/bareilly/dudhwa-tiger-may-have-been-killed-by-huge-sloth-bear-officials/amp_articleshow/68912576.cms
IF this story had read, "GENTLEMAN: THE DAY HAS FINALLY ARRIVED (MAYBE). 12 YEAR OLD MALE USSURI BROWN BEAR FOUND DEAD, “POSSIBLY” KILLED BY A HUGE TIGER", the tiger fans would have proclaimed this event as a confirmed fact. However, we (bear fans) only call this a possible bear killing tiger event.
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Post by brobear on Aug 15, 2024 11:16:46 GMT -5
*Note; I am moving "A Love Letter from Apex Titan" to where it belongs _________________________________________________________ To Brobear, and other members of his community, who are posting pure misinformation, blatant lies about tigers, and insults towards Wildfact, and forum members. Brobear, in case you haven't, I suggest you read Peter's last edited version of his post, the part addressing you. The sheer amount of blatant misinformation and lies you post about tigers and bears is ridiculous. But I know exactly why you do this, this is all out of serious insecurity of your beliefs and views. It's called 'coping', and Brobear, you're trying to cope very hard. Your actions show clear insecurity of your views on tigers vs bears. I hope everyone who reads this post, will realize what a liar and deliberate misinformer you really are. It's not my fault that tigers hunt and kill brown bears, it's not my fault that Odyr hunted, killed and devoured a fully-grown, large male brown bear of impressive size. It's not my fault that even large male brown bears sometimes fall prey to tigers. It's not my fault that in the same forest as tigers, the brown bear is not an 'apex predator', and instead becomes a prey item. I know these facts hurt you badly, but there's no need to continuously insult Wildfact and other forum members and also try ridicule expert authorities (biologists & forest rangers) who are a million times more knowledgeable, respected and experienced than you are. You have ZERO humility. You also, very clearly, don't know what "verified", "confirmed" or "evidence" means. You also don't know what makes someone an 'expert'. All the hard evidence was at the kill-site. The large male brown bear's carcass, who was killed and partially-eaten by the tiger, clear signs of a prolonged, furious battle all over the forest clearing, tiger and bear tracks, resting place of the tiger, trampled bushes and grass, location of the fight, where the fight began (near the forest index sign). A battle-ground and kill-site which was examined by highly trained, experienced specialists (forest rangers / game experts). And Brobear, Odyr wasn't "completely unharmed" from the fight, he received minor damage to his front paw, this was determined later by tracking him. Yuri Kya said this in his email. Get your facts right, instead of constantly posting misinformation and lies, like you always do. If this case wasn't confirmed, then there's no way the Amur Tiger Center would have reported it on their VK page! There's no way the employees, staff and authorities of the Bolshekhektsirsky reserve would have reported it, and there's no way the Governor of the Khabarovsk territory, Mikhail Degtyarev would have reported it either. But they did, you know why? because it is indeed a confirmed case of a tiger hunting, fighting, and slaughtering a larger 'impressive sized' adult male brown bear with huge paws. deita.ru/article/527875 news.rambler.ru/ecology/49790448-krovavaya-bitva-v-habarovskoy-tayge-vzvolnovala-gubernatora/
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Post by brobear on Aug 15, 2024 11:19:20 GMT -5
Continued from Mountain Lord's usual leg-length conglomeration..... Brobear, your extremely biased opinion, wild speculations, lies, and guesswork, is not evidence of anything. You need to post EVIDENCE (actual sources & info from experts) to back-up your empty claims. You never do, all you have is your bold-faced lies, constant insults and agenda. Did Odyr kill a "3 year old" brown bear, according to an alleged (fake) "email" ? Not only does the video I posted confirm that Odyr killed a large, impressive sized male brown bear in a fight, but Yuri Kya also confirmed first-hand (via email) that Odyr killed an adult male brown bear, and he also confirmed the width of the front paw (18 cm). The alleged "email" from Mikhail Milizhek, in which he allegedly states that the bear was a "3 year old", must be a fake email fabricated by some bear fan, who desperately tried to spread misinformation and lies to "debunk" this account. Mikhail Milizhek already verified Yuri Kya's account. I posted 2 emails, from Mikhail Milizhek and Yuri Kya himself, and both verified that the killed bear was indeed an adult male brown bear with a palm callus width of 18 cm: 1st email ( Mikhail Milizhek, Head of the security department of the Bolshekhekhtsirsky Reserve ) Question: "I saw in your reserve the news that the northeast tiger killed an adult brown bear, which said that he had a palm width of 18 centimeters. Is it true?" Mikhail Milizhek: "Hello, yes the information is valid." attachment.tapatalk-cdn.com/60400/202301/177_44c8bd1075ab58eb641ce7fbadd5f78c_t.jpg
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Post by brobear on Aug 15, 2024 11:21:04 GMT -5
Continued..... 2nd email ( Yuri Kya, Chief forest inspector and engineer of forest protection and forestry activities ) Question: "I found news in your reserve. The tiger killed the brown bear. The bear has a front paw callus width of 18 cm. Tell me, is this measured correctly? If correct, this is an adult male brown bear. Is this an adult male brown bear? Yuri Kya: "Yes, indeed, there was such a case when our tiger caught a male brown bear. I confirm the width of the front heel." attachment.tapatalk-cdn.com/60400/202306/177_1d2a99bb0e219f5af7e90014eb32b670_t.jpg
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Post by brobear on Aug 15, 2024 11:22:12 GMT -5
Continuing on and on..... The 2 emails above, completely debunk that dubious, fake email claiming the killed bear was a "3 year old brown bear". What nonsense! Funny how not a single report, article, TV news report, or any other source, has reported that the killed brown bear was a "3 year old" named "Misha". How come, Brobear? Strange, isn't it? There are over 15+ reports (Russian media outlets) about this incident, how come not a single source states that the killed brown bear was a "3 year old" bear? If true, why would the employees and authorities working with the department of the Bolshekhekhtsirsky reserve of the Federal State Budgetary Institution "Reserved Amur Region", allow Yuri Kya to spread "misinformation" and lies about the bears size, paw width and age? How come Yuri Kya, Petrovich, the Amur Tiger Center, TV news reporter, the Governor, or the 'Reserved Amur Region' employees never once mentioned it was a '3 year old' brown bear named 'Misha' killed?? How come they all corroborate Yuri Kya's conclusions and statement? How come when Yuri Kya personally SAW the killed brown bear's carcass, he specifically said: "Impressive bear" ?? Huh, Brobear?
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Post by brobear on Aug 15, 2024 11:24:12 GMT -5
There's absolutely no doubt, confirmed 100% ( based on all the original reports, TV news, video, and the 2 emails ), that Odyr hunted and killed a large 'impressive sized' adult male brown bear. But Brobear, you will continue to deliberately ignore all these important evidences and confirmations, and never admit it. You know why? because it doesn't suit your fanatical agenda and extremely biased preferences. You're coping, and coping hard. Facts and reality will never change for you!
Instead, you've decided to arrogantly reject, dismiss, and attempt to ridicule the conclusions of well-respected, experienced, seasoned forest rangers (experts), who are entrusted by the authorities / biologists to protect and conserve wildlife and reserves, forest rangers who constantly patrol the taiga and have deep knowledge about the flora and fauna of the taiga. Rangers who study the animals and observe their habits, the same experienced rangers who even biologists & scientists rely on to conduct the census of wild animals in the forest. The same ranger (Yuri Kya) who spends far more time in the taiga than ANY biologist or researcher does, and is a highly trained expert at judging and measuring the tracks/paws of animals.
Brobear, I know it hurts, I understand your pain. I know you can't handle the fact that an adult male brown bear falls prey to a tiger. I know it hurts that a large male brown bear got hunted, killed, and eaten by a smaller tiger. I know you're trying to cope, because the vast majority of evidence, expert testimonies, statistics and accounts are overwhelmingly in the tigers favor, but there's no reason to constantly spew blatant lies, misinformation and insult Wildfact and it's forum members, just because you're in pain and in clear denial of reality and facts.
You think Yuri Kya is just some "dummy" who know's nothing? Brobear, go learn what a forest inspector/ranger is. Yuri Kya is a very experienced and knowledgeable expert, who's lived and worked in the taiga for a long time, he's always patrolling and roaming the forest. He's a highly respected authority, hence why he's the Chief forest inspector who leads an entire team of forest rangers and (wildlife) game experts! Does this sound like an "idiot" to you? In fact, people like Yuri Kya are more knowledgeable than most biologists. Biologists mainly focus on science and the ecology of specific mammals, whereas Yuri Kya has a lot of knowledge about even the plants, trees, and birds of the taiga, as well as the ecology of tigers, bears, and other mammals and wildlife. Rangers are usually more experienced than biologists.
Watch this video from 11:05 onwards; You'll see that Yuri Kya is a man with VAST AMOUNT of experience and knowledge about the flora and fauna of the taiga:
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Post by brobear on Aug 15, 2024 11:27:21 GMT -5
Continued (all of this crap was in just one of the kid's posts - always lengthy in an attempt to impress..... Brobear, this is the same experienced and well-respected expert, that you're trying to ridicule and arrogantly dismiss, just because you simply can't handle the fact, that Yuri Kya found and reported an undeniable, confirmed (and recent) case of a large, fully grown adult male brown bear that was hunted and killed in a fight by a smaller tiger.
Also note, in 2022, that particular season in the Khekhtsir reserve, there was a good harvest of food for bears in the forest, and all bears were well-fed. I posted the report in this thread. So Odyr killed a larger, well-fed adult male brown bear in a head-on fight. The reports even mention that the bear was about to go into hibernation, but became prey of the tiger. You can cope, insult us, and lie to yourself all you want, but it's the truth and established fact.
You expect any sane person to switch off their brains, and ignore what serious, respected expert authorities (who examined the kill-site) say, and blindly accept the blatant lies and nonsense you constantly spout?
All in all, Brobear, you're a very insecure, compulsive liar who repeatedly posts misinformation and pathetic lies, and constantly insults Wildfact, its co-owner and member. That's all you are, and all you got, period.
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Post by brobear on Aug 15, 2024 11:43:36 GMT -5
My dearest Boogerman.... IF this champion tiger called Odyr had actually killed a full-grown male brown bear, since no such action has ever (in all of history) been confirmed, and there is so much evidence (proof) as you are claiming, then why would not the biologists in that area, the scientific community, document, and file a peer reviewed report? ______________________________________________________ Answer: Because it never happened. As of today (Aug.15, 2024) there is still not one single confirmed report of a tiger ever killing a full-grown male brown bear. *This one fact overrides anything you can say, no matter how long your post is.
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 16, 2024 2:40:58 GMT -5
Our collective reply to Mr. Apex titan and his community on Wildfact (or baisedfact in nature) who consider facts harmful for themselves and have falsely accused us for spreading misinformation about animal interspecific relations in Amur taiga. Fortunately for reality, and unfortunately for you and your buddies, making tedious baseless lengthy posts, childish blaming, depicting things with prejudice isn't going to alter truth which is eternal and immutable. So you are accusing us of spreading misinformation and call us insecure of our ideas? However, reality is something different than your words. Mr. Apex titan (or the liar titan) you and many of our community members from other forums are well aware of your distortions and propaganda for which you are well-known. Remember, you were the one who got 2 to 3 times banned our your own dear sweet home Wildfact for posting misinformation (Genghis)? Remember when you posted a picture of a Carpathian brown bear killed by another bear and portrait that 'a tiger kill a large Amur bear'? Remember anything? You remember of posting randomly made pictures of tigers killing bears and claiming that those were made by biologists? Remember any of your fraud? Check out our threads, we have nowhere taken any dead tiger picture and claimed it was killed by a bear because we love facts not fantasies.Everyone who is reading this post already knows your reality and I am just reminding that. We know your messianic program on propaganda. Lmao. Blaming isn't helping here for you. We here are men of facts and logic and anything that contradicts that is simply rejected; your principles are biased and so naturally are your facts and logic. And I clearly understand the reason why you are so active and mastered in spreading your propaganda because " The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits. - Albert Einstein" whereas stupidity is limitless of which you are a perfect example. Moving to the tiger and bear topic. As always, and as expected, you surely did what a stupid does. Yes, I understand it's not your fault, since your are not willingly making all believe your propaganda, it's simply your nature and it's your biased stupid inside that forces you to speak such unreal and self-coloured things. I understand, it's not your fault. Tigers kill adult male brown bears - a thing that never actually happened of any authentic evidence: only in speculations and dreams. And wait what I am hearing? Brown bears aren't 'apex predators' in Amur due to tigers? Ha ha ha, you makes you think that? You know what sloth bears and sun bears are also classified as Apex predators who interact with tigers? So why not brown bears? In according to scientific study from 2020, bears are classified Apex predators in Amur taiga along with tigers. Here you go kid: domainofthebears.proboards.com/post/58836/threadAnd you are the one who says that the Amur natives called only tiger as master of the taiga but not the bear? As always, a blatant lie! domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/1180/master-taigaAnd why are you always portraiting that your claims always come from scientific studies and ours not? Don't you remember that you are the one who fakes pictures? Here is our threads which takes all information from animals experts, biologists and researchers: domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/1590/brown-bears-dominate-eat-tigersAll the informations is taken from scientific sources or from other animal experts and there is no faking, not even the slightest as you do. Ok, alright you got the emails. They are telling that the bear was an adult male. Ok. Any more details about the Bear? I mean have anyone told it's exact age, size or anything else? That was based to simply on remains and remains can be as misleading as scant analysis. Now, you know the phrase , Quality over Quantity, and unfortunately for you, your information is lacking the Quality of details. Because as the quality details show, the bear was a 3 year old individual named 'Misha' or 'Kostolapy'. Q:Здравствуйте, я недавно слышал, что в заповеднике была битва тигра с медведем У вас есть больше информации об этом медведе?
Reserve:Здравствуйте!Медведя звали Миша, кличка «Косолапый», возраст примерно 3 года Подвид бурый. В ходе сражения тигр не пострадал. Начальник отдела охраны Милежик М.П. С Уважением, филиал Большехехцирский ФГ БУ"Заповедное Приамурье'
Translation: Q:Hello, I heard recently that there was a tiger-bear fight in the reserve Do you have any more information about this bear?
Reserve: Hello, the bear's name was Misha, and he was about 3 years old. The tiger wasn't hurt in the battle.
M.P. Milezhik, Head of Protection Department. Sincerely yours, Bolshekhetsirskiy branch of the Federal Wildlife Refuge of the Priamur'e Nature Conservation Area. Anyone else told it's age? No.
Anyone else told it's name? No.And M.P. Milezhik isn't a simply biologist instead he is Head of Protection Department. Bolshekhetsirskiy branch of the Federal Wildlife Refuge of the Priamur'e Nature Conservation Area. Why haven't he told the same? Being a head he must've know of the bear as he showed in this email. And what proof you have this email is fake? Any legit proof? Anymore information from you about the Bear apart from having a 18cm foot print? Mr. Apex, if truth is hard for you to digest, there is no problem with truth, it's with your digestion since your inside is filled with lies and biasedness. If you think you can convince someone with your frauds you will be only successful with a stupid or biased person like you. And yes, we scold you and your Wildfact members for posting and spreading shitty propaganda. Your presence and permission to post there is a simple indicator of the weak and sick mentality of the admins over there who allow you and cope with you as well. We have all our information based on biologists, researches and animal experts since we love good facts not convincing fantasies. In short, since light always encroaches darkness, so do we. We are and will demystify all your twisted accounts and statements so more and more people become aware of your truth face (though most are). If you want to criticise us, go on, ask Peter to allow you in your sweet home, we don't care. If you cannot cope with the fact that your favourite animal gets dominated by brown bear in Amur taiga, we cannot help you because of your sick nature. You can either accept or reject reality but never change it and since reality doesn't cope with you well, you simply reject it; how unfortunate. This is my last reply to you as I hardly figure out any good time to post over good information here and haven't got it so amply to make long and tedious posts like you do. The reason I am replying this time is because it's your 'first' tediously lengthy message and it's always necessary to give a bit pill to it. From now one, just Fool off. You can't cope up with reality so simply forget you are going to convince any person of good reasoning and logic. Your stupidity isn't unique to this animal forum community as stupids like you are in every field to be found: politics, religions, history etc. God opens his gates of guidance to one who seeks but those who simply oppose reality have the gates closed for themselves; and same is with you. You are a liar, a stupid, a twister, a fake-protraitor, a propagandist and baised person unwilling to accept that brown bear dominates your little pussy cat. We, and no one else expect any type of sanity from you and your buddies. If you were a sane person so talking with you would've been a good reason but since you are stupid so it's futile since " Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. - Mark Twain". So you are simply a liar, and you know it as well. Enjoy.
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Post by brobear on Aug 16, 2024 3:36:35 GMT -5
Peter says: My first advice is to apologize to those you insulted right away. The second is to get rid of your bloody agenda. You do agendas in the pub. The third is to take biologists who know a lot more than you do serious. The fourth is to quit producing misinformation about wild Amur tigers. Start reading 'peer-reviewed' documents and try to understand what the authors are really saying. In order to get there, buy a book about the advantages of reading first. Last but not least is the advice to follow a course in order to activate the top floor. And when you can't resist the urge to start crapping again, visit a laywer. Whatever you do, remember you're an adult, not a child. This means you're responsible for your actions at all times. You. Not someone else. Your posts say you read every word I post, meaning you now can't say you didn't know. ______________________________________________________________________________ What biologist did I insult? Show your respect; Write to Dale Miquelle. Ask him this simple question; "Is there any peer reviewed confirmed reports of a tiger killing a full-grown male brown bear?" And adhere to his answer.
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Post by brobear on Aug 16, 2024 3:45:56 GMT -5
What comes to Batalov, it is good to remember, that while he has vast knowledge concerning tigers, he is also ecosafari entrepreneur who has business to run. He is good in telling stories and when some journalist comes to visit or calls, I can´t blame him if he puts something extra to give an exciting story. And a tiger killing a big bear is a good story for sure. How true it is then is totally another thing. What some people refuse to notice is, that in different articles story is always different kind. It tends to happen, when things are made up and not paying too much attention. It alone is a good sign, that need to be careful or getting easily fooled. I don´t blame Batalov for making up a story, which might be mix of maybe 2-3 different incidents. For instance that case in which bear Chlamid harassed tigress so much, that group of hunters were gathered to hunt and shoot Chlamid, which was mentioned already 2017. They told, that they Chlamid was able to flee from hunters. This alone can be one explanation why Chlamid disappeared from that area. It´s here common knowledge, that bears understand if they are hunted and big bears aren´t stupid. When they notice, that humans are following, they make their best to avoid contact. Then another thing is, that Ochkarik has been known to kill also bear or some bears, even though black bears ( I didn´t now double check if some female brown bear too). So, when putting these things together, there is nice story of Ochkarik killing Chlamid, even though never happened in reality. When looking at this from perspective of Batalov, no big deal. He gave a good story, which in best case scenario could happen some day, or not. Batalov doesn´t necessarily know or care, that there are some fanatics, who are obsessed what comes to these things and try to use his story to prove "tiger world dominance". Batalov adores tigers and tigers need some hype. I can´t blame him doing so with some stories, which are something similar like when grandparents tell exciting stories to their grandchildren wanting to entertain them. Those stories tend to be half true, half fairy tales. When I discussed with Batalov, it was something different, I made specific questions and got straight answers. He knew that I was interested about reality, not about fancy stories. I have huge respect towards work what Batalov does, but I´ve seen how one journalist mentioned, that he is a man with a lot of stories and that reporter wondered if all are true. I think, that not. When Batalov talks serious conversations with biologists or people who are able to convince him, that they want to know what really happens, it´s one thing. But when giving interviews to non-scientific medias, some stories can be taken with a grain of salt. One other good example is that story which is from 2017. I mean claim, that Chlamid would have turned away after tigress made odd scream. I don´t believe a second, that odd scream of tigress affected to the bear. Unless it was so odd, that Chlamid thought, that there might be people. Good to notice, that back then Batalov told, that bear turned away after that scream. Still he told also, that they had to send hunters to shoot Chlamid to save tigress for being "robbed" all the time. And he told that hunters went and tried to track down Chlamid. Contradiction is very clear. If scream of tigress made Chlamid go away, why hunters made a serious try to find and kill it? Batalov told back then, that they wanted to shoot it to protect the tigress. When thinking about logical reason for a big male bear to go away.... 1. tigress screaming in a bit odd way 2. Hunters starting to follow the bear.... I take number 2 every time and that´s why I don´t take seriously that screaming story. Good story to make people amazed, but nothing more. Chlamid had followed that tigress for some time, it didn´t have any fear towards her. Quote; I have huge respect towards work what Batalov does, but I´ve seen how one journalist mentioned, that he is a man with a lot of stories and that reporter wondered if all are true. I think, that not. When Batalov talks serious conversations with biologists or people who are able to convince him, that they want to know what really happens, it´s one thing. But when giving interviews to non-scientific medias, some stories can be taken with a grain of salt. If Batalov actually believes that a tiger killed a full-grown male brown bear, and he has good reason to believe this, he would have filed an official report. Peter, why do you insist on claiming unconfirmed stories as being facts? I have noticed that you only do this when the story is pro-tiger.
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 16, 2024 3:53:43 GMT -5
We never said that he insult biologists. But what they think of those biologists which we quote?
As said before, we quote biologists for our claims. Syseov, Seryodkin, Miquelle, Krechmar, Kulikov, Batalov, Baikov etc who are these? Aren't these biologists as well? I don't understand why they consider try to portrait something which we don't like to do.
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