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Post by brobear on Sept 1, 2023 10:56:35 GMT -5
Post about an actual 'tiger killing adult male brown bear event' when you discover a confirmed report. Until then, please shut-up. A confirmed report will be found in an actual confirmed biological study. Not a story from a newspaper article nor from some guy (biologist or bar tender) giving his opinion. With an absolute certainty, when (if) a tiger actually does kill a fully adult male brown bear, especially with this being a first ever known event, each and every minute detail will be published in a biologist's report with detailed information on evidence and proof. Until we can see and read this report, we can be sure that all the absurd claims from the fake professors calling themselves "the elite experts" on the subject can be ignored and rejected. Keep in mind that a full-grown male brown bear is nothing less than 9 years old.
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Post by brobear on Oct 7, 2023 4:30:32 GMT -5
I noticed decades ago that tiger fans are forever trying to "build a bigger tiger." *Fact: Even though no wild tiger has ever been confirmed to weigh above 600 pounds or 272 kg tiger fans, even those fake-professors who claim to be their elite experts, are still talking about 700 pound tigers. *Truth: Any tiger that reaches a weight above 500 pounds is an exceptionally huge tiger. *Fact: Since there has never been a confirmed killing of an adult male brown bear by a tiger, the tiger fans claim every unproven story that comes along as being factual. *Truth: It must be sad to be a tiger fan knowing that there are living Carnivorans that a tiger is unable to conquer. They simply cannot man-up to this sad truth. Why not. I readily admit that the average polar bear can kill (my favorite) the average brown bear. I admit that the biggest polar bear could kill the biggest brown bear. Try it. It might not be as painful as you imagine.
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Post by brobear on Oct 30, 2023 12:12:58 GMT -5
*FACT: It is often stated that a brown bear will not displace a full-grown male tiger from a carcass. *TRUTH: How would any biologist know this? Its not as if they actually eye-witness such events. If there is no physical contact (no struggle) between big cat and bear, there is therefore no evidence of a confrontation left on the kill site for a biologist to see. *Fact; a cougar will relinquish his kill to a black bear or a grizzly without any physical contact to the bear. *Fact; a leopard will relinquish his kill to a sloth bear without any physical contact to the bear. *TRUTH: There is no reason to assume that this natural cat behavior is any different in the tiger. *FACT: My evidence of brown bears dislocating tigers from their kills is natural cat behavior; Especially considering that the brown bear consumes more meat than either the black bear or the sloth bear. *Note: The size ratio between cougar and black bear / leopard and sloth bear / tiger and brown bear are similar.
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Post by Montezuma on Nov 9, 2023 9:12:39 GMT -5
Its a thing that cannot answer, would never answer but still insist and will insist that they got evidence. Evidence of feeble base.
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Post by brobear on Nov 19, 2023 5:18:23 GMT -5
This is exactly what I was talking about in this topic's opening post - Quote; "Our member Apex, after reading a book written by a Russian biologist with quite a reputation, got to a different conclusion. Following his nose, he found reports of Ussuri brown bears killed by Amur tigers, including adult males. He didn't find the information in peer-reviewed documents, but in Russian newspapers and magazins." *Note; as I continue repeating, stories from old newspapers and magazines are interesting but cannot be excepted as being factual. I'm sure that any well educated animal "expert" is well aware of this truth. ___________________________________________ Quote; "He also found, and posted, interviews in which a well-known Russian biologist, A. Batalov, talked about 'Chlamyda'. That's the brown bear that followed tigress 'Rachel' and her cubs in 2017. Batalov said he was sure the big bear was killed and eaten by tiger 'Ochkarik', the father of the cubs of Rachel. Furthermore, Apex found interviews with Russian tiger biologists who said they're very sure male Amur tigers (occasionally) hunt adult brown bears, including males. Their opinion isn't based on peer-reviewed documents, but on observations of hunters, rangers and biologists they consider reliable." *Note; no evidence. no bear remains found. no kill site discovered. Nothing. Yet, W.F. claims that Batalov is sure that Ochkarik killed Chlamida. * If Batalov was sure of this, he would have filed an official report and produced the evidence. He did NOT.
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Post by brobear on May 16, 2024 3:45:09 GMT -5
There was a time - decades ago - when Peter Broekhuijsen had earned his respect. That was when he only accepted proven facts as facts. Today, he cherry-picks the opinions of a scant few biologists - with absolutely no evidence to back his claims.
Anyone who reads about biologists, zoologists, and paleontologists know full well that these scientists very often disagree with each other. Peter knows this. Therefore, an opinion from a biologist is nothing more than an opinion. *When a biologist is certain that a tiger kills a full-grown male brown bear, he will enthusiastically file an official biological report showing all of the evidence of this first proven event. Until then - tigers do not stalk and ambush adult male brown bears. __________________________________________________________ 1- The W.J. Jankowski Story.... Could you just imagine the reaction bear fans would receive from big cat fans if we posted a story told by a trophy hunter who had nothing to show other than a photo of a tiger he had shot and killed? I mean, if his story was about the tiger, which he describes as being bigger that any confirmed reports, have killed and nearly consumed a huge male brown bear, yet no pictures of the bear. This story has more holes than Swiss cheese - not to mention treating a story told by a sports hunter as if he were a reliable source of information.
2- Ochkarik and Chlamida... No kill site found. No bear remains found. Hunters had recently moved into the area giving the bear Chlamida reason to leave. And, a year later, in 2018, Mantle (Chlamida) was seen again. Not a single thread of evidence supporting their ridiculous claim. Also note, nothing mentioned about any battle wounds on Ochkarik.
3- Odyr and Misha.... Fresh footprints in the snow of a large bear do not match the snow-covered frozen carcass of a small 3-year-old adolescent bear. Yet the tiger fanboys still insist that Odyr (the tiger) killed a gigantic male brown bear after a prolonged struggle and (this is hilarious) the tiger walks away without a scratch. *Seriously; Peter needs to return to his old standards and once again adhere to proven facts rather than opinions.
*Note: Isn't it rather strange that in all three of these so-called events, the tiger walks away without so much as a scratch.
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Post by brobear on May 21, 2024 7:58:32 GMT -5
A juvenile (maturity-wise) tiger fanboy says, "Unlike other megafauna such as bears, wolves, leopards, herbivores, etc, the tiger regulates the entire ecosystem and keeps all other animals in check. Tigers often kill and eat other carnivores such as bears, dholes, leopards and sometimes even crocodiles. By doing this, tigers regulate the numbers of other predators in the forest. This is the role of an alpha predator." Obviously their resident fake professor agrees; else he would intervene. Other knowledgeable posters dare not correct the fanboy knowing that he is under the protection of the fake professor/admin. A rough average of 3% of an adult male tiger's diet consists of bear flesh. This bear flesh comes from ambushed juvenile brown bears, ambushed adult female brown bears, ambushed moon bears, and carrion. No full-grown male brown bears are killed by tigers - or at least we have no existing evidence to suggest otherwise. Seriously!?! The tiger regulates the crocodile population? ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) LOL
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Post by brobear on May 21, 2024 13:57:25 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on May 23, 2024 4:17:00 GMT -5
Another tiger fanboy (one I am unfamiliar with) says.... "Just because Batolov didn’t file a report doesn’t mean the incident didn’t happen. Not everything needs to be filed and published in a scientific journal." ___________________________ This is total buffalo patties! When a field biologist in Russia has the opportunity to prove that an adult male brown bear was ambushed and killed by a tiger, he will jump at the chance. Batoluv had nothing other than an opinion (if he actually said what the fanboys claim he said). Batoluv's Ochkark/Chlamida story remains unconfirmed - as if it never happened - which it didn't
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Post by Montezuma on May 23, 2024 18:15:50 GMT -5
Another tiger fanboy (one I am unfamiliar with) says.... "Just because Batolov didn’t file a report doesn’t mean the incident didn’t happen. Not everything needs to be filed and vh published in a scientific journal." ___________________________ This is total buffalo patties! When a field biologist in Russia has the opportunity to prove that an adult male brown bear was ambushed and killed by a tiger, he will jump at the chance. Bartoluv had nothing other than an opinion (if he actually said what the fanboys claim he said). Bartoluv's Ochkark/Chlamida story remains unconfirmed - as if it never happened - which it didn't Here a great post by @warsaw leaving totally nothing of batalov report's weakness: BФотография №7 — изображение получено фотоловушкой, принадлежащей Александру Баталову. На фото тигр Очкарик, который съел медведя и поэтому у него толстый живот).
![](https://i.imgur.com/OZOBNHc.jpeg)
http://instagram.com/p/CL4l0CqHh9z
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This is not true at all.
The date of publication is the date when the article is first made available.OK,The same photo, published 17,01.2017 Source: www.mammalwatching.com/2017/01/17/siberian-tiger-tracking-tour-to-russia-royle-safaris-6/
So.This picture was taken no latter than 17 January 2017
![](https://i.imgur.com/W8R3YsA.jpeg) This is brown bear "Chlamida".Notice This picture was taken a few months later 05/10/2017
Photo No. 2. The same camera trap captured a brown bear following the trail of the tigress Rachel. Shooting date 05/10/2017 Shooting time 23:54
Source: infourok.ru/rasskaz-o-vsemirno-izvestnom-tigre-po-klichke-ochkarik-obitayushem-v-rajone-imeni-lazo-habarovskogo-kraya-4929910.html
Reply#5679 carnivora.net/siberian-tiger-v-ussuri-brown-bear-t8294-s5670.html#p285950
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Post by brobear on May 23, 2024 23:33:31 GMT -5
Nice Montezuma. The fake professors and tiger fanboys, after decades of not discovering a single confirmed case of a tiger killing an adult male brown bear (9+ yr old) have become so desperate that they will now cheat in every way possible. This includes a few once highly respected posters. ______________________________________ Every fabricated event they post is full of holes with no evidence.
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Post by Granolah on May 24, 2024 14:51:47 GMT -5
Wow brobear where have you been man?
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Post by Granolah on May 24, 2024 14:52:11 GMT -5
Another tiger fanboy (one I am unfamiliar with) says.... "Just because Batolov didn’t file a report doesn’t mean the incident didn’t happen. Not everything needs to be filed and vh published in a scientific journal." ___________________________ This is total buffalo patties! When a field biologist in Russia has the opportunity to prove that an adult male brown bear was ambushed and killed by a tiger, he will jump at the chance. Bartoluv had nothing other than an opinion (if he actually said what the fanboys claim he said). Bartoluv's Ochkark/Chlamida story remains unconfirmed - as if it never happened - which it didn't Here a great post by @warsaw leaving totally nothing of batalov report's weakness: BФотография №7 — изображение получено фотоловушкой, принадлежащей Александру Баталову. На фото тигр Очкарик, который съел медведя и поэтому у него толстый живот).
![](https://i.imgur.com/OZOBNHc.jpeg)
http://instagram.com/p/CL4l0CqHh9z
![](https://i.imgur.com/3OSGdkO.png)
This is not true at all.
The date of publication is the date when the article is first made available.OK,The same photo, published 17,01.2017 Source: www.mammalwatching.com/2017/01/17/siberian-tiger-tracking-tour-to-russia-royle-safaris-6/
So.This picture was taken no latter than 17 January 2017
![](https://i.imgur.com/W8R3YsA.jpeg) This is brown bear "Chlamida".Notice This picture was taken a few months later 05/10/2017
Photo No. 2. The same camera trap captured a brown bear following the trail of the tigress Rachel. Shooting date 05/10/2017 Shooting time 23:54
Source: infourok.ru/rasskaz-o-vsemirno-izvestnom-tigre-po-klichke-ochkarik-obitayushem-v-rajone-imeni-lazo-habarovskogo-kraya-4929910.html
Reply#5679 carnivora.net/siberian-tiger-v-ussuri-brown-bear-t8294-s5670.html#p285950Warsaw is still the goat debunking AT. This case seems debunked for good now.
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Post by Montezuma on May 24, 2024 22:00:04 GMT -5
Yeah, Warsaw totally debunked this case. We all have did that before but Warsaw's debunking this case with dates simply leaves nothing for tiger fanboys. Just imagine what can that say? How can they pretend now? They cannot alter the dates, right? And yes, thanks God brobear is back. He was having some money and travelling problem but he is back and fine. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) .
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Post by brobear on May 24, 2024 22:20:09 GMT -5
Warsaw is by far the most knowledgeable poster online when it comes to the subject of bears. He was the best even when I was a novice rookie knowing just this side of nothing about bears. Even today, in comparison to Warsaw, I am very much the amateur rookie.
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Post by Granolah on May 25, 2024 7:50:30 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on May 25, 2024 7:58:38 GMT -5
What a lowlife creep that tiger fanboy is. Warsaw has never, in (roughly) the 24 years I've been acquainted with him, been anything but completely honest. Unlike a certain fake professor we all know, Warsaw still only accepts proven facts as facts.
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Post by brobear on May 27, 2024 13:13:43 GMT -5
From vip.everyday: Sysoev's story is fictional, it is not a real case. But the description is much more reliable than Batalov's story.
Sysoev: A huge brown bear kills a male tiger in a fight for the tiger’s prey. Is it possible? Certainly.
Batalov: A large to very large male brown bear killed by a regular sized male tiger with no injuries, no visible remains of the bear, and no signs of a fight. Considering that this “case” was not reported in any scientific source and one of the best specialists on predators in the Far East did not know about it, this does not seem to be a solid information. Moreover, since the local newspapers where the “case” was mentioned clearly lied (see Warsaw’s post), it is without a doubt a fake. _____________________________________________________________- *And yet, the tiger fans all accept the Batalov story as a confirmed event. In fact, they accept all three of these tall-tales as fact:
1- The W.J. Jankowski Story.... a sport hunter takes a picture of a big tiger he had shot. He claims that the tiger had fought and killed a huge male brown bear. He estimates his tiger to have weighed 700 pounds (heaviest confirmed wild tiger was just under 600 pounds). He claims that he had found only the tiger's head and paws. (so how would he know that the tiger had killed the bear?). He provided no evidence that there actually was a bear. 2- Ochkarik and Chlamida... No kill site found. No bear remains found. Hunters had recently moved into the area giving the bear Chlamida reason to leave. And, a year later, in 2018, Mantle (Chlamida) was seen again. Not a single thread of evidence supporting their ridiculous claim. Also note, nothing mentioned about any battle wounds on Ochkarik.
3- Odyr and Misha.... Fresh footprints in the snow of a large bear do not match the snow-covered frozen carcass of a small 3-year-old adolescent bear. Yet the tiger fanboys still insist that Odyr (the tiger) killed a gigantic male brown bear after a prolonged struggle and (this is hilarious) the tiger walks away without a scratch.
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Post by Granolah on May 27, 2024 19:11:18 GMT -5
I remember Warsaw posted a source of the Mazak/Jankowski account. The original source didn’t even mention the bear’s species nor signs off fight. A potential scavenging, I have the source from 2021 luckily, it was translated
Odyr. Kinda forgot a lot about this case. But, what I do remember was the bear was completely cloaked in snow (as if it was already there), and the tiger’s footprints were fresh and new, but you also see tiny bear footprints.
I believe I argued they measured the wrong footprint (I think Kolchin said something similar)
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Post by brobear on May 27, 2024 22:22:30 GMT -5
New to me; Wow! Jankowski did not report that the bear remains were those of a brown bear. He merely stated a large male bear. So, the tiger fans upped the story. Why am I not surprised? _______________________________ Warsaw - Footage of a plump tiger spread across Telegram channels and social networks. According to the authors of the publication, the video was made in the Amur region , the animals were overweight allegedly due to a sharp increase in the population of wild boars - the main prey of wild cats. “The predator seemed plump to everyone. Although this is his normal physical form. We don't see any anomalies. He is well-fed, but his movements are sharp and natural,” explained Shkodin .
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