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Post by brobear on Sept 13, 2024 6:15:19 GMT -5
WF quote; "Was a highly experienced and seasoned ranger like Yuri Kya shocked at the fact that Odyr was able to hunt and kill a larger, adult male brown bear in a head-on fight? No. Like all Far East Russian biologists, zoologists, hunters, and rangers, Yuri Kya knows that bears are common prey of tigers. And adult bears are regularly hunted and killed. But in many cases, biologists and rangers are unable to determine the sex or age of the bear killed, because the tiger has already consumed most of the bear. So there could easily have been numerous cases of adult male brown bears that were killed and eaten by tigers in recent times." _________________________________________________________ Not every park ranger is a wildlife expert and are highly unlikely to be in the same category of knowledge as biologists and zoologists. To start with - he was wrong. Odyr killed a 3-year old adolescent brown bear. Questions; (1) Why does a knowledgeable ranger decide on the age, size, and sex of the dead bear by looking at footprints when he has the frozen dead body right there? (2) Why didn't he take the frozen carcass to be analyzed? Or, at least take the head? (3) Why does noone at WF investigate and get some real information? domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/1735/odyr-misha-2022?page=1
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Post by brobear on Sept 13, 2024 6:22:18 GMT -5
WF quote: "Also note, majority of the remains of bears (killed by tigers) are found in tiger excrement. Not carcasses, which are much harder to find. Biologist Sergey Kolchin has repeatedly found the remains (fur and bone fragments) of brown bears in tiger excrement, but was unable to determine the bears sizes or genders. According to Kolchin's observations, brown bears are common prey for adult male tigers." ________________________________
Bears die, as with all animals, from many causes. Bear remains in tiger droppings only proves that a tiger will consume flesh from a dead bear. (common knowledge)
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Post by brobear on Sept 13, 2024 6:26:44 GMT -5
WF quote; "Also remember, Amur tigers (except for a few juveniles in 2014) are not radio-collared and tracked anymore. Their kills are not being tracked and monitored by biologists. Those days of radio-collaring field research are long gone. So what are the chances of biologists these days finding adult male brown bears killed by tigers? Very, very low. Yuri Kya was lucky that he happened to be in the right place, at the right time, during a forest raid." ____________________________________________________ All Yuri Kya discovered was the frozen carcass of a 3-year-old juvenile male brown bear called ‘Misha’
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Post by brobear on Sept 13, 2024 6:29:53 GMT -5
WF quote; "All in all, although the information suggests that adult male brown bears are not hunted on a "regular basis", there's no doubt that they are occasionally hunted and killed by experienced adult tigers, which means they are certainly on the menu." ___________________________________________________ All in all, there is still not one single confirmed report of a tiger ever killing an adult male brown bear. You have nothing. So yes, there are huge doubts that any tiger has ever killed a full-grown male brown bear.
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Post by Montezuma on Sept 13, 2024 12:00:59 GMT -5
And just imagine how many adult male tigers were robbed and killed by brown bears since prehistoric times.
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Post by smedz on Sept 13, 2024 23:07:13 GMT -5
Not to get involved in this debate, but this is my message to fanboys and "fake professors" as a big cat enthusiast whose favorite animal is the tiger.
The big cat you and I admire isn't doing that great. They lose their prey to poaching, they get poached themselves for their body parts, they keep losing habitat, and they get killed by people who are retaliating for livestock losses and human deaths. And there aren't even 5,000 of them left in the wild.
All that time and energy you spend on the bear vs tiger issue, perhaps it'd be much better spent looking into how you can help spread awareness of the threats they face.
Just a thought.
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Post by Montezuma on Sept 13, 2024 23:46:07 GMT -5
I agree with you. I am basically fed up with animal fight debates and topics tbh since it makes a person to complete forget other aspects of animals like how are they to be conserved, what are there relations with human and human mind since ancient times etc. I rarely talk about animal fights myself and mostly focus on bears in cultures.
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Post by brobear on Sept 14, 2024 5:32:54 GMT -5
WF quote; "Also remember, Amur tigers (except for a few juveniles in 2014) are not radio-collared and tracked anymore. Their kills are not being tracked and monitored by biologists. Those days of radio-collaring field research are long gone. So what are the chances of biologists these days finding adult male brown bears killed by tigers? Very, very low. Yuri Kya was lucky that he happened to be in the right place, at the right time, during a forest raid." ____________________________________________________ All Yuri Kya discovered was the frozen carcass of a 3-year-old juvenile male brown bear called ‘Misha’ Well said by Pablo...quote; "Yet, in a 21 year long peer reviewed study, by following radio-collared tigers, which is the only and most important study on bear-tiger interactions, not one adult male brown bear was found killed by a tiger. Nice, the imagination of this kid runs wild, lmfao. I think he should be pissed off at tigers instead of praising them so much, because they decided to stop murdering adult male brown bears just for that 21 year study. Damn."
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Post by brobear on Sept 17, 2024 23:55:29 GMT -5
Why BROWN BEARS beat TIGERS The real facts.
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