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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 0:11:37 GMT -5
Credits to Montezuma - Brown Bears dominate, kill, eat and rob tigers In this thread, we will see proof that how brown bears dominate tigers in wild and captivity. All the information is taken from scientific literature with historical accounts from biologists and other animal experts. This thread is also reply to every tiger fan fantasy who lives in his fantasy world. This thread offers reliability because their is no twisting of accounts, no distortion of words, confusing of statements and use of Crap sources which tiger fans often do. If anybody is interested to see the reality of their accounts revealed so check this out:- domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/1477/tiger-killing-bears-accounts-analysis Note that i am excluding accounts by black bears or sloth bears whipping ass of tigers.
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 0:15:20 GMT -5
"Brown bears are generally not preyed by tigers."So most tiger fans think that tigers "regularly" prey on bears. Well, that is far away from reality. Why? Because bears are mostly zero percent in their diet! According to prey analysis, in most decades the brown bear in tiger's diet in 0% and just one time it went only 1.2%, in the Sikhote-Alin reserve, which is still basically zero in 21 years, from 1992-2013.
On the other hand, the tiger's excrement data is unreliable since tiger simply could had ate the bear, which does not mean it killed the bear since there are cases on scavenging of tiger on dead bears. drive.google.com/file/d/10afDwfyao6HMoeBOGhQw4RRkapammvOz/view
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 0:18:12 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 0:19:16 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 0:28:18 GMT -5
And it is worth to be noted that all those bears are females, cubs, young or weak bears, not adult males. From a recent scientific study telling the truth: "However, almost all these bears are the specimens under 200 kg (sometimes rarely exceeding this value), cubs, young individuals and females. Hunting on the brown bear is a risky buissness for the tiger, as was shown by summarising studies by Seryodkin et al. (2018: 859–860): “The brown bear is capable of not only showing resistance to the tiger that attacked it, but also of emerging victorious out of the fight." www.researchgate.net/publication/347492257_The_Pleistocene_lion_Panthera_spelaea_Goldfuss_1810_from_Poland_-_A_review " However, tigers prefer to contest sow brown bears (Seryodkin, 2006)". r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrFAS4ocPdiP3QTAN9XNyoA;_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9zAzEEdnRpZAMyNDU5OEQtQ18xBHNlYwNzcg--/RV=2/RE=1660412072/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.newworldencyclopedia.org%2fentry%2fBrown_bear/RK=2/RS=fEuoLkxCg9EAsNvN6cj2DusegCg- "Small and young bears are prey for adult tigers". by Gleb, a scientists in Sikhote-Alin reserve. beargorillarealm.proboards.com/post/6349 " Most of the brown bears killed by tigers are young animals ,or females, and are generally killed by male tigers. (Seryodkin 2018)". www.researchgate.net/publication/346496013_Interspecific_Interactions_between_Brown_Bears_Ungulates_and_Other_Large_Carnivores " The siberian tiger project found only five adult female brown bears, one 3-4 year old subadult male, and a cub, but no adult male brown bear killed by tigers. drive.google.com/file/d/10afDwfyao6HMoeBOGhQw4RRkapammvOz/view According to John Valliant, " Amur tigers will occasionally kill bears solely on something that we might recognize as principle.” books.google.com.pk/books?id=A0vgAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA73&dq=tiger%20will%20ocassionally%20kill%20%20bear&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi2yYiNtMr4AhUUcxoKHXOxARoQ6AF6BAgMEAM#v=onepage&q=tiger%20will%20ocassionally%20kill%20%20bear&f=true
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 0:30:29 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 0:32:54 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 0:34:53 GMT -5
According to Dale miquelle, a tiger biologist, "tiger specialize in killing subadult brown bears".
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 0:38:50 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 0:41:13 GMT -5
" But nevertheless, brown bear is not the favourite prey of the tiger". by Amur tiger center beargorillarealm.proboards.com/post/260 According to N.A. Baikov, tigers only attack young bears since they hesitate to attack brown bears. "In his book, Baikov stated general rule about bears: " Кроме человека, врагов у медведей почти нет. Только молодые экземпляры подвергаются нападению тигра; кроме того, сильно досаждают им некоторые виды насекомых и внутриполостных червей."
"Тигр не решается нападать на бурого медведя, зная его огромную силу и злобность." Here's the translation. " Apart from humans, bears have almost no enemies. Only young specimens are attacked by a tiger; in addition, they are greatly annoyed by some species of insects and endocavitary worms." "The tiger hesitates to attack the brown bear, knowing its enormous strength and viciousness." forum.zoologist.ru/viewtopic.php?id=589&p=4
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 0:44:29 GMT -5
"Even Brown bears sonetimes become tiger-eaters!"So according to the above evidence, tigers only attack female brown bears, young bears and cubs by ambush on very rarely occasionally, not regularly. However, the more interesting thing to note is that brown bears prey on tigers!
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 0:46:04 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 0:47:09 GMT -5
" The brown bear Ursus arctos is a suitable species for studying the variation in the carnivory level at the global scale. Although omnivorous, brown bears are accomplished predators and scavengers, and consume meat whenever it is available. Their diets are diverse, and important components can include plant material (Mattson et al. 1991; Rode et al. 2001), honey (Kalaber et al. 1994), fungi (Mattson et al. 2002b), earthworms (Mattson et al. 2002a), ants (Makarov 1987; Swenson et al. 1999; Grosse et al. 2003), marine and landlocked salmon (Kistchinskii 1972; Seryodkin and Paczkowski 2004, 2006; Mowat and Heard 2006), small mammals (Aichun et al. 2006), large ungulates (Case and Stevenson 1991; Mattson 1997; Reynolds et al. 2002), other bear species (Boyd and Heger 2000), and even other apex predators (tigers Panthera tigris; Seredin et al. 2004). Livestock also provide food, through both predation and scavenging (Hell 1990; Frąckowiak and Gula 1992)."Their diet EVEN INCLUDES OTHER APEX PREDATORS TIGERS
The 2004 reference
Seredin IV, Kostyrya AV, Goodrich DM (2004) Spring diet in brown bears in Sikhote-Alin. Siberian Zoological Conference, Russian Academy of Science, Novosibirsk, Russia, p 321" link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13364-018-0396-7 "Mammals are often hunted by brown bears. This predator can prey on everything in its habitat, even a tiger."
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 0:50:57 GMT -5
"Skeleton of an Amur tiger killed by Brown bear."
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 0:52:50 GMT -5
"Accounts of Brown bears killing or defeating tigers in the wild and in captive fights."Now here is the most interesting part. Tigerfans often argue that there are more cases of tigers killing bears in fights. However, they always hide the reality that all those bears are females or young killed by male tigers. Those bears are always killed by ambush which they say as a "fight" . THERE ARE WAY MORE CASES OF BEARS WHIPPING TIGER IN FACE TO FACE FIGHT, INCLUDING MALE TIGERS BEING WHIPPED BY FEMALE AND YOUNG BEARS! Here are some accounts where tiger perish in a matter of seconds! No doubt, a large bear can kill a large tiger with one swipe of its hammer-like paw. Anyways, lets get started. " 700 LB FEMALE BROWN BEAR “ROSIE” GETS REVENGE AND KILLS 500 LB MALE BENGAL TIGER “PRINCE” IN CLYDE BEATTY'S CIRCUS".
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 0:54:32 GMT -5
"ACCORDING TO ANOTHER NEWSPAPER SOURCE, ROSIE CRUSHED PRINCE IN A FEW SECONDS."
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 0:55:46 GMT -5
"1937: GRIZZLY BEAR KILLS ONE OF BEATTYS BEST TIGERS IN A FEW SECONDS. “HE SIMPLY GRABBED THE TIGER AND BROKE HIS NECK".
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 0:56:48 GMT -5
" 1909-HUGE BROWN BEAR KILLS 3 YOUNG BUT FULL GROWN TIGERS AT ONCE OR ONE BY ONE IN A ROW."
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 0:58:03 GMT -5
"YOUNG GRIIZLY BEAR DEFEATS A A LARGE FINELY DEVELOPED BENGAL TIGER AND MAKES HIM LIVE IN THE SAME CAGE. “BEAR BOSSED THE CAGE” “TIGER LOOKED AS SUBMISSIVE AS ANY ANIMAL”.
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 0:59:30 GMT -5
"Grizzly bear kills a tiger in seconds in San Francisco pit fight."
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