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Post by brobear on Apr 22, 2021 17:52:19 GMT -5
Quote ( Reader's Digest version ): "Leopard attacks a sleeping gorilla.... they both were found dead.... What does this tell you?" *A logical reason why a silverback gorilla feels safe sleeping on the ground. Only in an extremely rare incident will a leopard find the courage to ambush a sleeping gorilla. Reminds of the one-time incident of the cougar ambushing and killing a black bear. The bear, 24 hours after chasing-off the cougar, was probably stuffed to the gills with venison, and sleeping soundly when the cougar attacked. Like as with the bear and the cougar, a silverback gorilla has zero fear of a leopard.
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Post by brobear on Apr 30, 2021 3:57:13 GMT -5
Bigger than a leopard:
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Post by brobear on May 21, 2021 5:43:10 GMT -5
orangutan-world.com/orangutan-predators/ Orangutan Predators The orangutan doesn’t have very many predators by nature. However, they also don’t have very much to defend themselves with so it is a good match. The fact that they are found almost always in the trees helps to protect them from a variety of land animals. However, they are known to be on the ground about 5% of the time. They may do so more often too if they are running short on food supplies up higher. The tiger and other big cats are known to make meals out of orangutans, especially the smaller ones. They can hide well in the forest and pounce quickly before the orangutan has a chance to move. They also can climb into the trees so if they aren’t having much luck finding food on the ground they will go up higher. These big cats are often night time hunters which is when they orangutans will be sleeping. It seems that as the natural habitats in the rainforests are getting smaller the orangutans face more threats from the tigers. While their numbers are low as well, they are facing problems finding enough food out there. They often share the same food sources with many other animals too. They are one of the few animals with the ability to get into the trees though so there isn’t much competition when it comes to feeding on the orangutans. Large pythons that live in the trees are also a threat to them. They blend in so well to the surroundings that even those that are many feet long can go undetected. Pythons can wrap themselves around an orangutan very tightly and hold on even though these animals are very strong and powerful. Humans are the biggest threat and predators to orangutans on many levels. First, they continually destroy the natural habitat of these animals. They have less room to survive in and often have a hard time finding adequate supplies of food. They are often hunted for sport too. Sometimes they are hunted for meat but that isn’t a very common occurrence. Orangutans are often captured alive, the mothers killed and then the young sold for pets. When these young orangutans can be intercepted they are orphans so they really can’t be returned to the wild. They will then be placed in captivity such as in zoos for the rest of their lives. Even with many efforts in place to protect them, many humans are determined to get the value from these animals. The penalties for harming them or killing them isn’t very severe either. It is often the middlemen that do get caught when it comes to these types of operations though. The people that are really behind it and that are making the big money stay well behind the scenes. Humans have always been predators of orangutans but that has increased in the past several decades. Due to the fact that humans want the same land, they have better weapons, and the number of people in generally has increased there just doesn’t seem to be much left that they are willing to share with the orangutans. Many humans have the mentality that they can take what is out there and not worry about what it does to the natural balance of things. Many people have heard stories too about orangutans attacking humans. There is no truth to them being meat eaters or hunting humans. That is often a story told to try to justify the killing of these animals though. Orangutans are wild animals but they don’t pose much threat to humans. They can become aggressive if they feel threatened though.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 21, 2021 8:14:01 GMT -5
-especially the smaller ones -tigers hide well in the forest and pounce (ambush) -sleeping orangutans
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Post by brobear on Jun 19, 2021 11:20:27 GMT -5
www.researchgate.net/publication/235384811_Non-Human_Predator_Interactions_with_Wild_Great_Apes_in_Africa_and_the_Use_of_Camera_Traps_to_Study_Their_Dynamics Non-Human Predator Interactions with Wild Great Apes in Africa and the Use of Camera Traps to Study Their Dynamics anuary 2012 The slow life histories of great apes (hereafter 'apes') combined with a growing inventory of predation incidents suggest that apes may be strongly affected by direct predation, as well as by predation risk. Predation risk may shape and increase behavioural flexibility by forcing individuals to adapt their behaviour to predator patterns. Forest leopards are an apex predator of primates in African rain forests and may represent a significant risk to ape populations. More field data are needed to further elucidate the behavioural modifications of apes in response to predation. We present research methods that combine the use of remote camera traps, capture-mark-recapture statistics and occupancy modelling to study predator-African ape relationships and potential antipredator behaviour through spatial variation in species co-occurrence patterns.
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Post by brobear on Oct 29, 2021 16:01:56 GMT -5
trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/98023199?searchTerm=Gorilla%20king%20of%20animals "ON OUR LAST TRIP WE FOUND INSTANCES OF LEOPARD TRACKS AROUND GORILLA ENCAMPMENTS , OF THE BONES OF VERY YOUNG GORILLAS GNAWED BY LEOPARDS, AND OF A LEOPARD STRANGLED BY A GORILLA" The Gorilla. ; Say " gorilla," and moBt of us conjure up a picture of a dreadful, demoniacal monster, lurking in.African wilds for opportunity t<?^att»ck men and. carry off women. Don't you believe it any more, advises Mrs. M.H. Brsuiiley in '• Liberty." And in lieu of the mythical man-hunter she offers a reasonable account of the actual gorilla,—not beautiful to see, naturally; possessing strength and intelligence, dangerons to encounter itiimically, but " essentially a decent and amiable creature, that attacks men only because he is being attaked, or thinks he is." Mrs. Bradley's story dramatically. openB with what a gorilla might be supposed to write', if he had that power, about-encountering some human hunters in Africa, " l am a gorilla, the man-ape, yon humans have been told is the most ferocious of beasts. Hear my story. I ..was'.deep'''in the forest, tranquilly, eating. Suddenly the leaves rustled. I looked tip. The bushes parted, and there, -at a height equal to my own, .< I -savtr a strange, sinister face glaring at me. That face was ghastly*; pale. 'The skin washidebnsly , bars save : for a rough, bristle on lip, and cheeks. The lips were palled back over, the* teeth in a grimace of fary. The eyes, deepest grey eyes, squinted at me evilly. It was like no other animal of the jungle, and filled, me with fear I roared my aversion and fright, bnt that pale face still glared at me. I tried to startle it with a rash. The strange Ugare raised a short staff to its shoulder, pointing it towards me I stood and tremblingly beat upon my breast, I roared in perplexity. Another roar answered mine, and the strange figure's abort staff spat fire that entered my side and felled me. I' had met man." Mrs. Bradley thinks no. animal: has prod need such an imaginative frenzy of exaggeration as the gorilla. :The vivid accounts of Da Chailia, aboat 1855, are blamed by Mrs. Bradley for the: terror'1 we have irirherited of the terrible " king of the African forests," said to attack men -on sight, to raid villages, and to carry off women,,whereas " actually," she flays, " we know very little as yet aboat this near relative of oars in the animal kingdom. He is as dangerous an animal to encounter as his siae* enormous strength, and in telligence would lead yod to expect Bat the stories that he lies- in wait for man, that he always attacks, that his is a nature of peculiarly canning malevolence, are utterly nn supported by the facts. I do know stories where he has attacked, where he has lain- in wait, and where he has palled off a man's arms and legs, as if tearing a toy to pieces.; <bat the history of these cases shows provo cation. He does beat his breast. So do little monkeys at the Zoo. He has a creBt, and he twitches it. He. has a good sized roar, and his. fangs look horrible when his month is open. Bat I know a lot of people who look horrible with their months open. . The country we visited, to, obtain the specimen gronp for the American Museum of Natural History, was in the very centre of Africa. The objective was a triangle of volcanic mountains, on whose heights the gorillas jrere said to be. They roam about, generally, in bands—though sometimes an "old man" gorilla will be •alone—r-£eeding on the saccalent greens, sorrels, docks, hemlocks or the ground -shoo.tsofba.mbnnIjt is extraordinary, observing^ the enormous strength of the gorilla, to reflect that he is a. vegetarian. At night they sleep in seats on the gcoafid, like hastily scratched: together: hen's nests. The ,story. that they sleep in hammocks or platforms in trees got even into the Gentnry Dictionary, bat we. know of no evidence to support it. The gorilla goes into .trees for food, bat not very far, on account of his tremendous weight; but at night his great strength-makes him so secure from marauding beasts ■that: he sleeps comfortably in the open., Sometimes he.. makes a hole among the. tree-root®, and lines it cosily with moss and fern. He is not a New. England housekeeper, and prefers moving to ' fresh quarters rather than cleaning honse. The only enemy he can possibly fear is the leopard, and then it is only a baby gorilla that the leopard would dare snatch. " Cour last. trip we found, instances of leopard tracks aronpd gorilla^ encampment, of the bones of very, younjg goriltas gnawed by leopards, and a leopard strangled by a gorilla."
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Post by brobear on Oct 29, 2021 17:53:01 GMT -5
So lets just analyze reply #25:
ON OUR LAST TRIP WE FOUND INSTANCES OF LEOPARD TRACKS AROUND GORILLA ENCAMPMENTS , OF THE BONES OF VERY YOUNG GORILLAS GNAWED BY LEOPARDS, AND OF A LEOPARD STRANGLED BY A GORILLA" ( IMO ) the most likely scenario is the leopard was feeding on a baby gorilla it had just killed and the silverback caught him and killed him. But, how did this leopard get past the silverback to kill juvenile apes and why would it feel as if it had time to feast on them, unless he was carrying them away from the gorilla's nesting place. In this case, the bull gorilla must have ventured out and found the leopard. ( if this event is a true story ).
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Post by brobear on Oct 30, 2021 1:23:04 GMT -5
OK; this is how I personally have it figured concerning the leopard and the gorilla. Purely my opinions... The leopard is by nature an ambush predator, as are all cats. He is a full-time predator completely dependent on meat to survive. The gorilla is, for the most part, a peaceful vegetarian. However, the dominant male, called a silverback, is highly protective of his troop of females and young apes. The fact that the silverback sleeps in a nest he makes each night either on the ground or in the lower branches shows that he has no fear of leopards. It is also known that, if he sees a leopard near his troop, he will charge towards the danger. It is my opinion that in the rare events of silverback gorillas killed by leopards, all were accomplished by ambush. A leopard, less than half the weight of a bull gorilla, would no more go face-to-face against the great ape than would a cougar do the same against a full-grown bear. It simply wouldn't happen. In the event of an unlikely face-off, we each have our own opinions, all of which is speculation. But, I just don't believe that this will ever happen.
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Post by brobear on Dec 7, 2021 1:38:57 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Dec 7, 2021 1:54:21 GMT -5
We can only speculate who would win in a face-to-face confrontation between a prime male leopard and a silverback gorilla. ( IMO ) this scenario is as unlikely as a cougar going head-to-head with a black bear. For this to happen, the gorilla would have to have the leopard cornered. However, in such an unlikely event, I would wager on the great ape, but I will not argue with someone who would place his bet on the predator.
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Post by brobear on Feb 1, 2022 6:45:04 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Feb 1, 2022 6:53:26 GMT -5
Reply #130 - by George Schaller: George Beals Schaller (born 1933) is a German-born American mammalogist, biologist, conservationist and author. Schaller is recognized by many as the world's preeminent field biologist, studying wildlife throughout Africa, Asia and South America. Born in Berlin, Schaller grew up in Germany, but moved to Missouri as a teen. He is vice president of Panthera Corporation and serves as chairman of their Cat Advisory Council. Schaller is also a senior conservationist at the Bronx Zoo-based Wildlife Conservation Society. According to this leading expert, I would say that all of these wild stories which have been spread throughout wild animal forums of leopards being the predator of gorillas and feeding on them often - is no different than the unconfirmed accounts of tigers hunting and killing adult male brown bears - which are still being told even by the elite big cat enthusiasts.
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Post by brobear on Apr 11, 2022 19:03:53 GMT -5
DOCUMENTARY SHOWS HOW LEOPARDS ARE SCARED Crap TO ATTACK GORILLAS WHEN THEY ARE DISCOVERED:
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