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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 10:44:24 GMT -5
Leopards do occasionaly fight with sliverbacks, however all the fights start out as ambush so its not really fair. I hae one account of leopard actually going and fighting silverback if I remember correctly, however neither of them died I think. I have to look up the account again.
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Post by King Kodiak on Aug 18, 2020 10:59:19 GMT -5
Leopards do occasionaly fight with sliverbacks, however all the fights start out as ambush so its not really fair. I hae one account of leopard actually going and fighting silverback if I remember correctly, however neither of them died I think. I have to look up the account again. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 11:05:59 GMT -5
I think there is a difference. Leopard kills silverback quickly with thorath bite when using ambush and when leooard fails or is not able to get throath bite then starts fighting with to kill it. Still not very fair tho.
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Post by King Kodiak on Aug 18, 2020 11:12:46 GMT -5
Right, a sleeping silverback, that is just awesome. Here is one of the 3 or 4 accounts that exists at most.
"The male had apparently been attacked in his NIGHT NEST by the leopard".
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Post by brobear on Aug 18, 2020 15:30:57 GMT -5
Leopards do occasionaly fight with sliverbacks, however all the fights start out as ambush so its not really fair. I hae one account of leopard actually going and fighting silverback if I remember correctly, however neither of them died I think. I have to look up the account again. Quote: however all the fights start out as ambush so its not really fair. *This is a certainty. A leopard is not about to just walk up to a gorilla, look him in the eye, and then start a fight. Any attack on an adult gorilla by a leopard will most assuredly be an ambush attack. Even this I doubt happens regularly. However, I do not find it difficult to believe that a leopard would defeat the gorilla more often than not by ambush - perhaps 7 or 8 out of 10. *If you have any actual accounts on hand; please share with us.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 7:39:45 GMT -5
Should I Post the accounts?
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Post by King Kodiak on Aug 19, 2020 7:43:04 GMT -5
Should I Post the accounts? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 11:17:47 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Aug 19, 2020 12:25:14 GMT -5
ok, lets go all the accounts I found from quora and from carnivora. leopard kills 4 gorillas qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-be3481815d52f1803cb458282e71c1d0.webpbooks.google.com.au/books?dq=leopard%2B%22killed%2Bfour%2Bgorillas%22&hl=en&id=nv0MAQAAIAAJ&q=leopard%2B%22killed%2Bfour%2Bgorillas%22&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjc-u6GwtbXAhVIqJQKHZJRCiMQ6AEIKDAA#1) it just says "gorillas" , nowhere does it say "silverbacks"
#2) it says they were killed in their nightnest when sleeping. Thanks for proving my point. Not a head on fight.
silverback and leopard found dead qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cf2928c43fa0a296dd2dfcf1957d23f0www.aardvarksafaris.co.uk/a-day-in-the-life-of-mountain-gorillas/“a silverback gorilla and a leopard were both found dead from mutually inflicted wounds" it is automatically assumed that the leopard attacked a sleeping gorilla or by ambush. And even then, the leopard still died. this one: qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4b7060b088b53e8fde70b1e889c181ecqph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1e73f9290a0d4c7e0d9e15b448a8ce6aqph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b02a92453cb6113aa4220aa5954c5fc1This one says "probable". They just found the remains of an adult male gorilla in the leopard's faeces. Same happens with bears and tigers in the RFE, they just assume that a leopard killed it. Not confirmed. Anyhow, just predation, no description of any fight.reported fight with leopard and gorilla qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2f603c0e5e92d3b89b1d5729649c25d3This one is very confusing. No one died. The leopard stoped following the gorilla after a certain point. Most likely it started as an ambush. Also, if you read at the bottom it says that in the 18 months of study, this was the only recorded fight and no gorilla remains were found on leopards on that area.2 silverbacks with one silverback being in bad condition + blackback i.imgur.com/0l22SW3.pngIf you read at the very top, it clearly says that scavenging cannot be ruled out, so they are not sure, hence unconfirmed. This is what happens in the wild alot, just because a predator eats an animal does not mean it killed it. Also, it just says "leopard predation was strongly suspected" this mean ambush or sleeping gorillas since there is no description of a prolonged struggle.pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8b15/89dcb59b230c2b1726424a065ecab6e7ca3d.pdfstudy that talks about leopards killing adult gorillas if i`m correct. I got it from ligerrules |
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Post by King Kodiak on Aug 19, 2020 12:27:23 GMT -5
So how many confirmed accounts you showed of leopards killing silverbacks in face to face fights? I see zero. All you showed was what we already know, predation by ambush or sleeping gorillas. And anyhow, how many different accounts you showed? 5, just like i thought, only 5 accounts on record in history, basically nothing.
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Post by brobear on Aug 19, 2020 12:40:51 GMT -5
We know that leopards stalk, ambush, kill, and consume gorillas. What is uncertain is the big cats limitations on gorilla choices. With an almost certainty, leopards, if given a chance, will kill a juvenile gorilla. ( IMO ) a pretty-sure bet that, if given a chance, a leopard will ambush a full-grown female gorilla.
So; whether or not a leopard will ambush a silverback gorilla is left unanswered.
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Post by King Kodiak on Aug 19, 2020 12:48:39 GMT -5
the biomass of the gorillas hunted by leopards in Central Gabon was 78 kg (171 lbs). Obviously subadult and female gorillas.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 14:54:14 GMT -5
I tought I just showed the accounts of leopard killing gorillas. Nothing about head on fights with silverbacks.
Yeah, in the account where they fought, I didn't say leopard killed it. It just fought with it confirming their relationship.
about the account from 2011, I don't think he saw the fight. He just found them both dead if I remember correctly. I am not trying to prove that there are accounts of leopard killing silverbacks in head on fights. Just saying that they do kill gorillas and even silverbacks on rare occasions. Also did you look up the study? Did you find anything in it?
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Post by King Kodiak on Aug 19, 2020 15:04:24 GMT -5
“a silverback gorilla and a leopard were both found dead from mutually inflicted wounds”.
And this was my response:
it is automatically assumed that the leopard attacked a sleeping gorilla or by ambush. And even then, the leopard still died.
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Post by King Kodiak on Aug 19, 2020 15:11:35 GMT -5
How many accounts you showed though? 5 correct? And the first one does not even say silverbacks. I already said there are like 5 accounts at most. Thats basically nothing in history. Of course all show a supposed predation, not head on.
Did not look at that study, way too long, like 300 pages, but will take a look at it.
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Post by brobear on Aug 19, 2020 17:25:37 GMT -5
Leopard prey - Reply #467 - Gorilla g.g. 78.1 kg = 172 pounds 3 oz. juvenile or possibly adult female.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 23:52:54 GMT -5
Leopards avoid silverbacks and other big gorillas. They do attack them on very rare occasions. There are like 3 accounts of silverback getting killed and few more unconfirmed ones.
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Post by brobear on Aug 20, 2020 4:13:02 GMT -5
This is my view-point of the leopard/gorilla relationship... The leopard is a full-time predator. Juvenile gorillas and adult females are subject to ambush if the opportunity presents itself. The silverback is basically unafraid of leopards. Every evening, he builds a fresh nest on the ground at the base of the trees where his mates and his young ones sleep in relative safety. The bull gorilla will defend his troop if a leopard happens upon them.
Any ambush upon a silverback gorilla must assuredly be extremely rare.
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Post by King Kodiak on Aug 20, 2020 9:07:14 GMT -5
Reply #475, that is a very wide chest, over 1 meter wide.
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Post by brobear on Sept 24, 2020 8:26:14 GMT -5
*I would wager that there is less than one leopard ambush attack on a silverback gorilla per decade. We humans witness but a tiny fraction of predator/prey events. But if all were known, I would wager less than one attack per each 10 years ( if ever ).
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