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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 15, 2019 12:30:59 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Dec 15, 2019 13:23:58 GMT -5
Good info; but the site given does not work. Never-the-less, I see no reason for a gorilla to fear a leopard. I wish that I knew the name of the documentary - stating that the only animal in the African Congo that a leopard fears is the chimpanzee. Gorillas ignore leopards; chimpanzees will chase a leopard from their territory. Gorilla is bigger and stronger but the chimp has a rather nasty attitude.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 15, 2019 13:56:59 GMT -5
Good info; but the site given does not work. Never-the-less, I see no reason for a gorilla to fear a leopard. I wish that I knew the name of the documentary - stating that the only animal in the African Congo that a leopard fears is the chimpanzee. Gorillas ignore leopards; chimpanzees will chase a leopard from their territory. Gorilla is bigger and stronger but the chimp has a rather nasty attitude. Is not that the link does not work, its just that when you go to that link, it takes you to that book and that same page of the screen shot taken but it does not show the whole page. That happens alot in google books.
Leopards fear Silverback gorillas, that is why they avoid them. Chimpanzees kills the leopard occasionally:
books.google.com/books?id=vUNKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA29&dq=chimpanzee+kills+leopard&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-9YjUqbjmAhVDbKwKHSvFDYQQ6AEINTAD
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Post by brobear on Apr 9, 2020 7:45:22 GMT -5
Can anyone locate the actual topic there? "Leopard predation on gorilla"? Actually, over on Wildfact, the records show not a single confirmed case of a leopard killing a mature bull gorilla. All were juvenile, female, or a found carcass. However; I cannot locate the source. *Found it: wildfact.com/forum/topic-primates-and-predator-interactions *Damn! Not what I'm looking for....
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Post by brobear on Apr 25, 2020 8:43:26 GMT -5
King Kodiak Here is your requested comparison between an African leopard and a western lowland gorilla.
Although the strength of the gorilla has never undergone any serious scientific study, surprisingly seeing that this great ape has a long history of being viewed as a super-strong "man-like monster" - a beast of Cryptozoology, up until the 1970s, I believe that a silverback gorilla has greater upper-body strength and a stronger bite-force.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jul 12, 2020 12:36:58 GMT -5
Same situation as with Bears and tigers. There are probably less than 5 accounts of leopards killing silverbacks, all unconfirmed, not to mention by ambush or sleeping gorillas, never head on. Leopards avoid silverbacks at all costs.
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Post by brobear on Jul 12, 2020 13:06:25 GMT -5
Same situation as with Bears and tigers. There are probably less than 5 accounts of leopards killing silverbacks, all unconfirmed, not to mention by ambush or sleeping gorillas, never head on. Leopards avoid silverbacks at all costs. Same thing that was told over and over concerning Amur tiger and brown bear. But as it turns out, not one single confirmed report of a tiger ever ambushing a mature male brown bear or even a sleeping one. The same probably holds true for gorilla and leopard. Also note, the only black bear ( that we have found ) ambushed and killed by a cougar was a 3-year-old subadult she-bear.
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Post by brobear on Jul 12, 2020 13:17:41 GMT -5
Congo Basin Leopards hunt primates:
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Post by brobear on Jul 12, 2020 13:19:10 GMT -5
Congo Basin Leopards hunt primates:
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Post by brobear on Jul 12, 2020 13:22:28 GMT -5
A Leopard chasing Two Gorillas /or being chased by two Gorillas
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Post by brobear on Jul 12, 2020 13:24:33 GMT -5
A report on forest Leopards predation:
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Post by King Kodiak on Jul 12, 2020 13:58:21 GMT -5
Here is one of the very few (less than 5) accounts of a leopard killing a silverback gorilla. But guess what? I view this account in the gorilla's favour. Why? Because it proves my point. "The male had apparently been attacked in his NIGHT NEST by the leopard.
And thats all a leopard can do, attack a sleeping gorilla. Crap, i can kill a sleeping gorilla myself. Just give me a long sharp knife.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jul 12, 2020 14:12:35 GMT -5
Reply #312, great find brobear. the biomass of the gorillas hunted by leopards in Central Gabon was 78 kg (171 lbs). Obviously subadult and female gorillas.
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Post by brobear on Jul 12, 2020 14:26:42 GMT -5
Reply #213, great find brobear. the biomass of the gorillas hunted by leopards in Central Gabon was 78 kg (171 lbs). Obviously subadult and female gorillas. Western lowland adult female gorillas weigh about 71.5 kg (158 lbs.) Adult female mountain gorillas weigh about 97.7 kg (215 lbs.) Eastern lowland female gorillas weighing about 80 kg (176 lbs.) *I would say that this pretty much proves you are right.
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Post by brobear on Jul 13, 2020 6:56:02 GMT -5
After the leopard, the golden cat is the second largest land-based predator of the Congo basin: wildcatsmagazine.nl/wild-cats/african-golden-cat-profelis-aurata/ The African Golden Cat (Profelis aurata) is a medium-sized wild cat distributed over the rainforests of West and Central Africa. It is about 80 cm (31.5 inches) long, and has a tail of about 30 cm (approximately one foot) in length. It is a close relative of both the Caracal and the Serval. However, current classification places it as the only member of the genus Profelis. Due to its extremely hidden living style, not much is known about this cat’s behaviour. The African Golden Cat is able to climb, but hunts primarily on the ground. Prey includes rodents, birds and monkeys. It also hunts duiker and even the Giant Forest Hog.
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Post by brobear on Jul 16, 2020 5:17:10 GMT -5
Over on WF, I had posted this: 10-31-2018, 10:24 AM As mentioned in the "Prehistoric Crocodile" topic, very little has been discussed about Pleistocene Africa. I am interested as to what predators, if any, that the gorilla had to contend with other than the leopard. Very curious. And then this: 07-13-2020, 11:21 PM Well, it appears obvious that, as far as anyone here knows, ever since the existence of gorillas, the top land-based predator of the Congo basin has been the leopard. www.gorillas-world.com/gorilla-evolution/ The gorillas were separated from the other hominids about 7 million years ago, although some sources indicate that began to populate Africa around 11 million years ago. With the extinction of other great apes, gorillas became the largest primates in the world. A few years ago, it was thought that all gorillas belonged to a single species, and there were three subspecies, but now, the latest research concluded that there are two species: eastern gorilla (Gorilla beringei) and western gorilla (Gorilla gorilla), with two subspecies each. Both species diverged about 2 million years ago and were separated by the Congo River. And finally this: 07-14-2020, 07:34 AM I will add this to accompany post #18 above. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard#Evolution Fossils of leopard ancestors were excavated in East Africa and South Asia, dating back to the Pleistocene between 2 and 3.5 million years ago. The modern leopard is suggested to have evolved in Africa about 0.5 to 0.8 million years ago and to have radiated across Asia about 0.2 and 0.3 million years ago. *So, it appears that for several million years, there were no large predators in the Congo basin. Until the evolution of the leopard, the great apes of Africa had no predators.
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Post by King Kodiak on Aug 5, 2020 15:31:37 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Aug 5, 2020 22:23:32 GMT -5
I believe a silverback gorilla will kill a male leopard face to face regardless. Yet there are way more animal interactions before the poaching.
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Post by brobear on Aug 6, 2020 5:23:40 GMT -5
I believe a silverback gorilla will kill a male leopard face to face regardless. Yet there are way more animal interactions before the poaching. ( IMO ) and based on nothing more than my personal viewpoints; I would say that in a face-to-face confrontation, a bull gorilla could more often than not kill any big cat 100-pounds less in weight than himself. This would include all living big cats other than a lion or a tiger.
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Post by King Kodiak on Aug 18, 2020 10:11:42 GMT -5
Reply #453, i agree with the gorilla vs grizzly part, but he made several wrong statements:
Absolutely wrong. Leopards dont fight gorillas, they ambush hunt them, they avoid the silverbacks anyhow.
Its not a close battle, gorilla wins 7/8 out of 10 times in a head on battle. He also forgot some "stats" like the gorilla being plantigrade and much smarter.
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