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Post by brobear on Oct 20, 2018 12:38:53 GMT -5
Brobear: Makes good sense Shadow. At least this shows that a silverback gorilla is not a choice prey animal for a leopard and that gorillas in general not their first pick. I do hold that the gorilla's bluff charge ( which can turn serious ) was developed with the leopard in mind. In other words, as you agree, there is a great deal of risk involved in hunting gorillas, especially during daylight hours. Shadow: Yes, big gorilla charging would make most animals to think twice, I think. And of course leopards, which have met gorillas, have seen those warning attacks sometimes if too close, when getting spotted by gorillas. Note: My Conclusions: In a face-to-face encounter, the leopard will very likely back down and retreat. If they do fight ( which I believe rare at best ) the 130-pound leopard will stand no better than a 50-50 chance of killing the 400-pound gorilla. Probably some less. In a day-time ambush, things could easily go wrong for the leopard. In a night-time ambush ( more likely ) the leopard might succeed in killing the bull gorilla perhaps as much as 80 percent of attempts ( maybe more ) - pure speculation.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 20, 2018 13:20:43 GMT -5
Key word here is “ambush”, and people have a hard time understanding the difference between a hunt and a fight. Yeah a leopard is capable of killing a Silverback gorilla by the back, by ambush, it just has not happened yet right? But on a face to face battle, no ambush, the leopard stands no chance, gorilla is too powerfull. Especially inside a cage where the leopard cant escape and come back.
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Post by brobear on Oct 20, 2018 13:36:03 GMT -5
So, in our conclusions ( our opinions )... in a non-ambush face-off... Silverback Gorilla defeats Leopard / Black Bear defeats Gorilla.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 20, 2018 13:43:41 GMT -5
So, in our conclusions ( our opinions )... in a non-ambush face-off... Silverback Gorilla defeats Leopard / Black Bear defeats Gorilla. yes definatly. With no ambush, Silverback defeats leopard at least 7 times out of 10. Black bear defeats Gorilla 6/7 times out of 10. IMO.
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Post by brobear on Oct 21, 2018 5:00:47 GMT -5
So, in our conclusions ( our opinions )... in a non-ambush face-off... Silverback Gorilla defeats Leopard / Black Bear defeats Gorilla. yes definatly. With no ambush, Silverback defeats leopard at least 7 times out of 10. Black bear defeats Gorilla 6/7 times out of 10. IMO. Yes, I agree. In a face-off between a 400 pound bull gorilla and a 130 pound leopard, 7 out of 10 for the great ape sounds about right. In an unexpected ambush, the leopard will be the victor nearly every time.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 21, 2018 5:17:24 GMT -5
Unfortunally for leopard fans, the leopard is officially classified as an ambush predator, so if they are happy with leopards winning that way, then am glad. An ambush, a hunt, will absolutely NEVER be classified as a face to face fight.
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Post by brobear on Oct 21, 2018 5:49:23 GMT -5
Unfortunally for leopard fans, the leopard is officially classified as an ambush predator, so if they are happy with leopards winning that way, then am glad. An ambush, a hunt, will absolutely NEVER be classified as a face to face fight. All big cats, with the exception of the cheetah, are ambush predators. This does not mean that they never end-up on face-to-face confrontations. It is my thought that a male lion, more often than most big cats, will find himself in a face-to-face confrontation with prey animals and other predators. This because of his usual open terrain and his inconspicuous black mane.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 21, 2018 6:05:43 GMT -5
Yeah but barely, my guess would be that at least 90% of the times its not face to face. There is a reason for that official classification.
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Post by tom on Oct 21, 2018 19:41:37 GMT -5
Unfortunally for leopard fans, the leopard is officially classified as an ambush predator, so if they are happy with leopards winning that way, then am glad. An ambush, a hunt, will absolutely NEVER be classified as a face to face fight. All big cats, with the exception of the cheetah, are ambush predators. This does not mean that they never end-up on face-to-face confrontations. It is my thought that a male lion, more often than most big cats, will find himself in a face-to-face confrontation with prey animals and other predators. This because of his usual open terrain and his inconspicuous black mane. Yes, he leaves all that ambush crap for the ladies.... Then when the gals have killed something I'll run in letting it be known that I... eat first.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 21, 2018 19:49:08 GMT -5
Ha ha ha....well most times yes, but not always Tom, male lions can hunt alone also.
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Post by tom on Oct 21, 2018 20:00:02 GMT -5
Ha ha ha....well most times yes, but not always Tom, male lions can hunt alone also.
If not a pride male he will hunt alone, but many times relies on stealing other's predators kills. Males usually join the pride hunting party when dangerous game is on the menu. A Male lion simply is too heavy and bulky to chase down fleet footed African plains game, besides he sticks out like a sore thumb, so he seldom uses ambush techniques. Anyway..... why would you need to hunt when the ladies do all the shopping and bring home the groceries...
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Post by brobear on Nov 2, 2018 4:43:47 GMT -5
wildfact.com/forum/ ( by Wolverine ). Yes, the canine teeth of primates even rival in size the canines of many big cats are actually created to inflict painful wounds in order to change the mind of the attacking predator, not to kill it. Actually such vegetarian apes as gorilla and orangutan probably don't know how to kill a big cat and they don't need to know. Omnivorous primates as chimpanzee and baboon who sometimes hunt however know how to make deadly bites. Giganto as vegeterian probably behaved as gorilla or orangutan. Nevertheless the big vegeterian apes including giganto have a formidable canines, gigantic bite force typical for all bamboo eating animals (jaw mussles responsible to grind bamboo are always very well developed) and exteemly high intelligence so for sure they are formidable adversaries for the big cats. Otherwise they would not survived among predators for millions of years.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 4, 2019 23:16:36 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Oct 26, 2019 4:07:26 GMT -5
The question was asked, "will a leopard ambush a silverback gorilla?". No, and a lion will not ambush a rhinoceros for the same reason.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 26, 2019 4:35:56 GMT -5
The question was asked, "will a leopard ambush a silverback gorilla?". No, and a lion will not ambush a rhinoceros for the same reason. Some people still think leopards regularly predate on Silverback gorillas, i was arguing with Shadow and other people at Wildfact about this, Shadow thinks Silverbacks fear leopards and leopards kill silverbacks all the time. That is the funniest thing i ever heard, its the other way around, all the evidence we have on this thread shows that leopards fear and avoid silverbacks at all costs. And just because there have been 3 or 4 cases of leopards killing Silverbacks does not mean it regularly happens, it means it happened 3 or 4 times documented in history, not to mention it was done by ambush, not a fight.
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Post by brobear on Oct 26, 2019 4:46:21 GMT -5
Actually, over on Wildfact, the records show not a single confirmed case of a leopard killing a mature bull gorilla. All were juvenile, female, or a found carcass.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 26, 2019 5:06:41 GMT -5
Actually, over on Wildfact, the records show not a single confirmed case of a leopard killing a mature bull gorilla. All were juvenile, female, or a found carcass. Exactly, its exacly the same situation with Amur tigers and adult male brown bears. And even the amout of of documented cases coincides, about 3 or 4 cases each. So my argument is this.....EVEN IF those cases were to be confirmed (which are not),
#1) there are only 3 or 4 documented cases in history, basically nothing.
#2) it was done by ambush, not a face to face fight.
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Post by brobear on Oct 26, 2019 5:21:07 GMT -5
Those 3 or 4 documented cases were looked at in detail over at Wildfact.... and disproven. I tried to locate this, but could not.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 26, 2019 5:24:23 GMT -5
Those 3 or 4 documented cases were looked at in detail over at Wildfact.... and disproven. I tried to locate this, but could not. Yeah, they are not confirmed in neither case, gorilla vs leopard, and bear vs tiger.
But my point is this, even if they were confirmed it would not bother me so much because they are very few and since they were done in the wild they were done by ambush.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 30, 2019 4:22:55 GMT -5
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