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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 2, 2021 18:46:03 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 4, 2021 20:31:28 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Jun 5, 2021 17:36:06 GMT -5
/\ Thats true. In all land mammals live on earth currently, i have read that the bear, rhino and elephant are the most difficult to kill. Just see this what i found.
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Post by brobear on Jun 8, 2021 4:13:15 GMT -5
The "Tiger vs Brown Bear" topic only rages on where there is a strong juvenile tiger fanboy base. Mature knowledgeable posters acknowledge the truth. But, even they, for the most part, will make statements such as, "tigers kill bears up to their own size and a little larger", which is not backed up by any recorded event. Or, they will claim, "a bear needs a substantial weight advantage to kill a big cat", when recorded events actually suggest just the opposite to be true. However, where the topic "Lion vs Tiger" rages on, fanboys from the two sides are both relentless with fake data, meaningless old newspaper tales, manipulated facts, cherry-picked pictures, and nasty insults. This never-ending ridiculous squabble can easily rage on well beyond 10,000 posts and never be settled. But with "Brown Bear vs Lion or Tiger" - one-on-one, we have a sure-cut winner.
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Post by Montezuma on Jun 12, 2021 15:39:58 GMT -5
Lets just make a summary about all the opinions favouring bears over lion and tiger.
1. Animal trainers
a. Clyde beatty b. Frank buck c. Al.G.Barner d. Roman prosake e. Roth louis f. Howard ward
2. Biologist
a. Krechmar
3. Hunters and Naturalists
a. Theodore Roosevelt b. Vesovlod Syseov
4. Writters and explorers
a. Albert. S. Evans b. Kit Carson c. James Lee
5. Opinion from unknown person
a. From a newspaper b. From a book
6. Videos
a. Brown bear vs siberian tiger-Animal face-off made by hired experts
So we have 15sources of expeets favouring bear over lion and tiger.
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Post by kesagake on Jun 12, 2021 15:50:23 GMT -5
Lets just make a summary about all the opinions favouring bears over lion and tiger. 1. Animal trainers a. Clyde beattyb. Frank buckc. Al.G.Barnerd. Roman prosakee. Roth louisf. Howard ward2. Biologista. Krechmar3. Hunters and Naturalists
a. Theodore Rooseveltb. Vesovlod Syseov4. Writters and explorers a. Albert. S. Evans b. Kit Carson c. James Lee
5. Opinion from unknown person a. From a newspaperb. From a book6. Videos a. Brown bear vs siberian tiger-Animal face-off made by hired expertsSo we have 15sources of expeets favouring bear over lion and tiger. You forget Baikov, Dale Miquelle and Batalov.
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Post by Montezuma on Jun 12, 2021 15:54:41 GMT -5
kesagakeDale miquelle says that brown bear can take away kill from tigers. He does not say that the bear would win or kill the tiger face to face. However, that indirectly in the favour of the bear. Baikov does not favours bear over tiger. He simply says that bear has no enemy and else. Batalov, says that tigers avoid bears, he does not say about any type of fight.
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Post by kesagake on Jun 12, 2021 15:55:26 GMT -5
kesagakeDale miquelle says that brown bear can take away kill from tigers. He does not say that the bear would win or kill the tiger face to face. However, that indirectly in the favour of the bear. Baikov does not favours bear over tiger. He simply says that bear has no enemy and else. Batalov, says that tigers avoid bears, he does not say about any type of fight. Oh ok.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 10:57:34 GMT -5
I haven´t read all short quotes here, but I´ve noticed that they can be misleading when too short and out of context. For instance here is a quote from book: American bears : selections from the writings of Theodore Roosevelt In quote is said, that "If the Indian tiger had been a native of the United States, it would now be one of the most shy beasts" That short quote makes it look like, Roosevelt would have been talking only about tiger in that way. Here two photos in which text from the book before and after that one sentence. Everyone can make their conclusions way better from longer text. The thing is, that Roosevelt actually favored bear to be able to beat tigers or lions, but he also writes, that he had never been hunting a tiger, only grizzlies. So it was situation at least when he wrote this book. That book is quite interesting one for sure, many stories from old times, how accurate some stories are is somewhat open question, Roosevelt writes many times about things, which has been told to him, of course he writes about his own experiences too. I had some fun moments when reading that book, it is well written, imo.
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Post by brobear on Jun 18, 2021 11:13:32 GMT -5
From Reply #5: The above is quoted by Teddy Roosevelt in his early years, before traveling abroad. After experiencing lion hunting in Africa, TR made this statement: Teddy Roosevelt once stated that a stripped carcass of a grizzly bear is far more robust than the same of a lion. The bear is just more powerfully and larger built.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2021 13:42:21 GMT -5
From Reply #5: The above is quoted by Teddy Roosevelt in his early years, before traveling abroad. After experiencing lion hunting in Africa, TR made this statement: Teddy Roosevelt once stated that a stripped carcass of a grizzly bear is far more robust than the same of a lion. The bear is just more powerfully and larger built. Yes, he did favor bear, he has told it. My point was how to quote and share things. One sentence out of context can turn around whole meaning of some sentence, so showing longer parts from source text is more accurate and reliable way to show things.
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Post by brobear on Sept 30, 2021 11:06:51 GMT -5
Debate is Over - when it comes right down to lion or tiger going head-to-head with a full-grown male brown bear, one-on-one, there never really was a contest. There is no real debate. There can only be a ridiculous argument with a juvenile, fanatical fanboy of the big cats who has no real interest in the truth. And that is in itself an act of ignorance. And so, this so-called debate ends here.
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Post by brobear on Jul 6, 2022 7:03:45 GMT -5
The tiger fans all know that this so-called debate ended decades ago. Else they would not find so much pleasure in posting about tigers killing sloth bears only half their size, moon bears, adolescent brown bears, and adult female brown bears - all smaller than the tiger. But, they continue to post long conglomerations of these events all bunched together in a desperate attempt at making such an over-sized post appear to have meaning, which of course they don't. But, the tiger fanboys are proud of their chosen favorite predator each and every time one of them ambushes and kills a bear smaller than himself. So yes; the tiger vs bear debate is over.
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Post by yz on Jul 6, 2022 15:44:32 GMT -5
The tiger fans all know that this so-called debate ended decades ago. Else they would not find so much pleasure in posting about tigers killing sloth bears only half their size, moon bears, adolescent brown bears, and adult female brown bears - all smaller than the tiger. But, they continue to post long conglomerations of these events all bunched together in a desperate attempt at making such an over-sized post appear to have meaning, which of course they don't. But, the tiger fanboys are proud of their chosen favorite predator each and every time one of them ambushes and kills a bear smaller than himself. So yes; the tiger vs bear debate is over. Lion fans aren't any better. They literally posted this video of a bear cub being chased away by cows as proof of a lion dominating a bear . I was like bruuh This shows how desperate lion fans can be. 😂
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Post by brobear on Jul 7, 2022 0:15:43 GMT -5
Quote: Lion fans aren't any better. They literally posted this video of a bear cub being chased away by cows as proof of a lion dominating a bear . I was like bruuh Yes, a young sub-adult probably about 5 years old running ( but not in a panic run ) from a group of large animals that he ( or she ) is unfamiliar with. You are right, the big cat fans grasp at every meaningless nonsense they can find, because what they really want does not exist.
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Post by brobear on Aug 2, 2022 16:00:29 GMT -5
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Post by yz on Aug 2, 2022 18:10:00 GMT -5
Interestingly, there's a certain tiger fanboy who argues that a gws would win against a kw. 😂
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Post by brobear on Aug 12, 2022 0:13:25 GMT -5
When considering that a tiger has a difficult fight on his hands, face-to-face, against a sloth bear only half his own weight or against a female brown bear less than his own weight, and these facts have been proven, then what chance would he have against any species of bear at equal HB length, in which case the bear would have the weight advantage?
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Post by arctozilla on Aug 12, 2022 5:25:09 GMT -5
Lion fans aren't any better. They literally posted this video of a bear cub being chased away by cows as proof of a lion dominating a bear . I was like bruuh This shows how desperate lion fans can be. 😂 Lion fanatics are also degrading Michel Pastoreau only because he said that bears have killed lions in roman arenas. They're seriously in denial. Yeah no much better than tiger fanatics but I still think tiger fanatics are worse cuz they view themselves as "truth speakers" and are hypocrites in every sense of word. They're also homophobes, they laugh over videos of male lions mating each other.
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