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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 12, 2020 9:39:44 GMT -5
Ok but actual fight accounts are not posted in this thread. What is posted are the trainers/hunters opinions of who would win in a fight. Am sure reply #8, which is Louis Roth, also thinks that a polar bear would usually win more often in the wild if he even thinks sick/weak polar bears would win more often in captivity. Reply #4, Theodore Roosevelt was most likely talking about the wild, reply #9, animal face-off talks about the wild, reply #12 just favours bears, does not state wild or captivity, reply #14, Sysoev talks about the wild.
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Post by brobear on Nov 12, 2020 9:49:18 GMT -5
Quote: Ok but actual fight accounts are not posted in this thread. What is posted are the trainers/hunters opinions of who would win in a fight. *I know this King Kodiak. Never said otherwise. *The opinions of animal trainers, hunters, park rangers, biologists, and other professionals welcome here. Note that some opinions carry more weight than others.  |
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Post by brobear on Dec 23, 2020 11:08:56 GMT -5
Debate is over; winners confirmed:
1- Polar Bear vs Big Cat - locked - Bear wins. ( mismatch ).
2- Tiger vs Brown Bear in the Wild - locked - Bear wins. ( mismatch ).
3- Crocodile vs Shark - Crocodile wins.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 23, 2020 11:24:58 GMT -5
Well, dont forget the other important debate, brown bear vs lion. That is over also.
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Post by brobear on Dec 23, 2020 12:40:08 GMT -5
Well, dont forget the other important debate, brown bear vs lion. That is over also. Yes, I agree, but I will specify one-on-one.  |
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Post by brobear on Dec 23, 2020 12:41:07 GMT -5
Debate is over; winners confirmed:
1- Polar Bear vs Big Cat - locked - Bear wins. ( mismatch ).
2- Tiger vs Brown Bear in the Wild - locked - Bear wins. ( mismatch ).
3- Crocodile vs Shark - Crocodile wins.
4- Lion vs Brown Bear ( one-on-one ) - Bear wins.
5- Orca vs Great White Shark - Orca wins.
6- Big Cats vs Pachyderm ( even by ambush ) - Pachyderm avoided. ( mismatch ).
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Post by brobear on Dec 24, 2020 4:33:40 GMT -5
"The Big 4 Terrestial Carnivores"
 When a bear enthusiast is involved a big cat vs bear debate, we have no reason to be rude, to be crude, to grow angry, or to be anything other than mature. Remain calm and debate with the truth, the facts, and sound reasoning. Remain courteous and polite, no matter the attitude of the opposition. The facts will speak for themselves. Then, anyone reading those debates will see clearly who is the knowledgeable mature poster and who is the radical juvenile delinquent. A picture is worth a thousand words. |
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Post by kesagake on Dec 24, 2020 8:56:40 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 24, 2020 9:37:06 GMT -5
Reply #18, very nice, never seen that one before. And trust me, i have searched long and wide, even on paid newspaper search archives like "Newspapers.com". I have searched Trove, Papers past, google books, anything you can think of for accounts, using alot of different keywords for the search, and all i found is what you see in this thread. But every now and then something new comes up.
Just one more opinion favoring bears, awesome really.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 3:35:12 GMT -5
How could we had forgotten to post this here in this thread? This is the first opinion that favours bears over tigers that we all have seen when we first enter this debate.
I think that this video donot get much importance which it should be given. Near me this video is the end of the brown bear vs tiger debate because:- 1#...It is to be noted that this video is made by experts. As we see that according to experts and all those measurements, they concluded that a brown bear would win. 2#...The videos is made according to the reports. As we see that the bear tracks for kill in winter, he sees a tiger with kill, tiger refuses, fight begins and finally the bear kills by one swipe to back and one bite to skull. 3#...Experts were involved, neither bearfan or tigerfan. It cannot be said as fake. 4#...This video also proves the final true conclusion because as we see that the fight part was made on the kill site where both mainly intereact. The bear killed the tiger in that site which means that experts knew that this happens in reality also. If the tiger wins in reality so why experts conclusion ended on the tiger's victory? So that is why I prefer to show this video and its reliability reason in all debates. |
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 13, 2021 8:27:05 GMT -5
Reply #20, Animal Face-off:
That video is actually very accurate, that is what most likely would happen. They used the max weights, they used a 1500 lb bear (rare in the RFE) vs a 600 lb tiger. The bear displaced the tiger, the tiger in this case defended his kill because he is a hungry adult male, they fought, the tiger went to the throat, the bear pushed him off, the tiger clawed the bear but nothing happend, (the narrator said "the claws cut deep but failed to disable"), then the bear disabled the tiger with a blow to his spine, then finished him off with a bite. The narrator said "while the tiger was quick and agile, he couldn't deliver that killer bite to the brown bear's neck, the bear's superior power was definitely the deciding factor". So yeah, you can see that absolutely evertything is reliable. So of course tiger fans dont like that show because their kitty cat lost to both the bear and the lion, ha ha ha ha. If the tiger had won, they would LOVE the show.
By the way, that show hired SCIENTISTS:
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/AnimalFaceOff
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 10:57:23 GMT -5
Another problem about tigerfans is that they donot believe in clyde beatty. I made the below dialogue to make it understand more easily that why beatty is reliable. (Note:-This tigerfan is honest). ★Bearfan:-"So first tell me that on which type of person we should talk that makes sense, experienced or non-experienced"? ★Tigerfan:-"Obviously, experienced person can explain better." ★Bearfan:-"Ok so, have clyde beatty seen more fights than anyother expert?" ★Tigerfan:-"Sure, why not?" ★Bearfan:-"Have biologists ever saw such numerous fights?" ★Tigerfan:-"Honestly, never". ★Bearfan:-"As beatty saw more fights than other so it means that he was more experienced and is more reliable than others." ★Tigerfan:-"No I donot believe that beatty is more reliable." ★Bearfan:-"Wait, you are not loyal to our previous words. First you said that most experienced makes sense who saw real fights and is more reliable. Remember; then you said that beatty is more experienced so why not reliable??" ★Tigerfan:-"Aaaaaa.....ok, you are right but I still trust on biologists. " Bearfan:-"Ok, but how? Why? Have they seen more fights." ★Tigerfan:-"No, but........" ★Bearfan:-"Ok, I think that you have understood. Now tell me that have your biologists ever experienced fights of a brown bear being killed by a tiger? How tiger killed them in non ambush condition?" ★Tigerfan:-"Although they never experienced a fight yet they use guess or somewhat...." ★Bearfan:-"So we see that they never experienced that how can a tiger kill a bear in a fair fight to death. I think so we should see a person who has this type of experience. Am I right?" ★Tigerfan:-"Aaaa...yea." ★Bearfan:-"Ok, so I go for beatty who saw fights and tell that bear simply grabbed and broke their neck! Well, that is from me is there any biologist from you who can tell that how he saw tigers kill bears without ambush in fair fights without guess as beatty do?" ★Tigerfan:-"No, no body see such fights more than beatty." ★Bearfan:-"So you and I logically conclude that beatty saw many fights, got more experience and then got more sense than anyother which makes him more reliable in animal fight knowledge than others. Honestly tell that isn't this right?" ★Tigerfan:-"Well I guess that you are no doubt right. No answer to this." ★Bearfan:-"So at last you believe that beatty is more experienced and reliable in fight comparison than other biologists as he saw many fights." ★Tigerfan:-"Yeah". ★Bearfan:-"Good, so finally you believe that beatty is more experienced so do you believe his statement that bears and lions can win from a tiger 9 out of 10 times." ★Tigerfan:-"With honesty, I will agree beacuse due his experience more than others ; so no doubt his statement is more reliable than others." ★Bearfan:-"So if the most reliable person favours the bear over the tiger so it means that bears win as he saw." ★Tigerfan:-"Although I donot like to admit but logic and reason proved that the bear would win. Thanks!" ★Bearfan:-"Well you see that people are so ignorant that they cannot understand this simple fact and has prolonged the debate. However, so have brain to understand and finally believe the truth!!!!" If there is any wrong or missing point so please tell me. I will improve it. |
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 13, 2021 11:08:47 GMT -5
Reply #22: i dont see anything wrong there. Of course, biologists, naturalists, zoologists, and scientists are more reliable than animal trainers as to the interactions in the wild are concerned. But animal trainers like Beatty could also be very reliable because they have actually seen many live fights between the animals. And as we can see in this thread here, most animal trainers have favored the bear.
Yes, Beatty said a bear or a lion would whip a tiger 9/10 times, its in my first post. But did you also know that Beatty said that bears are better fighters than tigers?
CONTRARY TO POPULAR BELIEF, BEARS ARE BETTER FIGHTERS, MORE VICIOUS, AND MORE FORMIDABLE THAN TIGERS. THEY PROTECT THEIR HEAD IN A FIGHT
Also: “TIGER TECHNIQUE OF COMBAT ISNT GOOD ENOUGH IF ANTAGONIST IS TO BE A BEAR”
“A TIGER CAN STILL KILL A MAN, BUT COMES OFF SECOND BEST IN A BATTLE AGAINST A BEAR”
www.tapatalk.com/groups/wildanimalwarfare/download/file.php?id=1216
BEARS ARE HEAVILY FURRED AND CAREFUL BATTLERS
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 16:53:58 GMT -5
We all know that:-
Tiger is a 'Ambush Hunter'.
Lion is a 'Face-to-face fighter'
Bear is a 'Face -to-face crusher'.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 28, 2021 23:39:18 GMT -5
This opinion most definitely belongs in this thread and its one of the most important in favor of the bear:
Russian biologist M. Krechmar:
"A LARGE TIGER HAS LITTLE CHANCE AGAINST A LARGE BEAR"
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 8, 2021 19:37:45 GMT -5
Why does a president win an election?? Because he was the one to CONVINCE most people correct? That is why he won. So judging by the polls, its obvious that WE are the ones convincing more people. No one takes that kid Mountain Lard seriously, not even the smartest TIGER fans like Peter, Paul Cooper, Amur tiger. That should tell you something.
At WOA, Siberian tiger vs Ussuri brown bear, poll is 13-5 in favour of the brown bear. Since he joined 3 months ago, its 4-0 for the bear, he did not convince ONE person.
Carnivora: siberian tiger vs polar bear, poll 42-11 in favour of the polar bear. (Without words). He was even in this thead at the beggining and what happend? Who did he convince? 42-11!! Lmao.
carnivora.net/siberian-tiger-v-polar-bear-t22.html
The CONVINCING of people, this is another huge reason why this debate is over.
I saw now on Carnivora, Polar bear -"67" Siberian tiger -"17". Even the difference have grew greater. |
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 8, 2021 19:57:23 GMT -5
Carnivora, Siberian tiger vs Ussuri brown bear
Bear--28
Tiger--17
Even in polar bear sow and male siberian tiger fights, the poll ends in bear's victory.
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Post by brobear on Apr 9, 2021 4:13:35 GMT -5
brobear who is your favourite individual tiger I don't study lions nor tigers enough to really have a favorite individual. But, I will say 'Charger' because I had a friend who was very much a tiger enthusiast. He finally dropped out of these forums because he just got fed-up with the fanboys. His handle was 'Charger1'. |
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Post by brobear on Apr 9, 2021 4:18:54 GMT -5
Carnivora, Siberian tiger vs Ussuri brown bear Bear--28 Tiger--17 Even in polar bear sow and male siberian tiger fights, the poll ends in bear's victory. See: Debate: "Male Amur Tiger vs Female Ussuri Brown Bear" and "Amur tiger vs polar bear sow" here at "Bear Predation and Face-Off Topics". |
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 9, 2021 21:49:33 GMT -5
Carnivora, Siberian tiger vs Ussuri brown bear Bear--28 Tiger--17 Even in polar bear sow and male siberian tiger fights, the poll ends in bear's victory. See: Debate: "Male Amur Tiger vs Female Ussuri Brown Bear" and "Amur tiger vs polar bear sow" here at "Bear Predation and Face-Off Topics". I checked every poll on the domain of the bears, world of animals and Carnivora. We have won most people for our side by giving more reason and it resulted in the bears victory. Bears dominate big cats in wild, captivity and even in polls. |
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