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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 13, 2021 4:59:19 GMT -5
How about Dale Miquelle account saying that Bears pose threat even to male Tigers? Well, he didn't really favour a bear in a fight, he just said they pose a threat.
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Post by kesagake on Apr 13, 2021 5:00:19 GMT -5
How about Dale Miquelle account saying that Bears pose threat even to male Tigers? Well, he didn't really favour a bear in a fight, (am sure he does though), he just said they pose a threat.So it should be in Tigers Avoid Bears thread, shouldn't it?
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 13, 2021 5:01:55 GMT -5
How about Dale Miquelle account saying that Bears pose threat even to male Tigers? Well, he didn't really favour a bear in a fight, he just said they pose a threat.He did say that male brown bears steal 35% of the Siberian tigers’ kills yet some tigers have learn to hunt bears (not mature male brown bears at 9 years old and above as they are too big).
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 13, 2021 5:05:50 GMT -5
Well, he didn't really favour a bear in a fight, (am sure he does though), he just said they pose a threat. So it should be in Tigers Avoid Bears thread, shouldn't it? That account says "The adult male brown bear class appears instead virtually invulnerable from tiger predation", this means tigers avoid adult male brown bears yes, i guess it can be in that thread, the reason i did not put it there is because of the "warsaw" reference in one of the pages. Its like in doubt.
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 13, 2021 5:07:02 GMT -5
Well, he didn't really favour a bear in a fight, he just said they pose a threat. He did say that male brown bears steal 35% of the Siberian tigers’ kills yet some tigers have learn to hunt bears (not mature male brown bears at 9 years old and above as they are too big). Yeah, he did say that, that is why it was posted on the "Kleptoparasite" thread.
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 13, 2021 23:53:34 GMT -5
However, it is confirmed that Dale said that male brown bears dominate even adult male tigers on food disputes. Thats enough for us to proof the adult male brown bear's dominance over adult male tigers as it is said by an expert, no Warsaw or other stated this phrase. However, the uppermost one is in doubt but the food dispute one is totally confirmed.
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 13, 2021 23:56:10 GMT -5
So it should be in Tigers Avoid Bears thread, shouldn't it? That account says "The adult male brown bear class appears instead virtually invulnerable from tiger predation", this means tigers avoid adult male brown bears yes, i guess it can be in that thread, the reason i did not put it there is because of the "warsaw" reference in one of the pages. Its like in doubt.Warsaw is not present in the authors and is not even referenced in the phrase and source from where you got it. Warsaw is referenced in that page where it is referenced and the statement of warsaw says that "adult male brown bears remain unchallenged", thats different from this one.
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 14, 2021 0:05:51 GMT -5
Warsaw said, "Adult male brown bears remain completely unchallenged in their domain."(Warsaw 2018). Here warsaw is used in the reference.
In this phrase,"The class of adult male bears are not vulnerable to tiger predation." Warsaw is not referenced and both statements are opposite. Words are different in both with one only referenced as from Warsaw. So the phrase "asult male brown bears are not vuulnerable to tiger" is not from warsaw but is from another researcher.
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 14, 2021 1:39:14 GMT -5
This one is totally confirmed as referenced by experts.
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 14, 2021 1:40:53 GMT -5
This one is not unconfirmed but may be said that another expert but not by warsaw.
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 21, 2021 22:18:11 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Apr 22, 2021 3:49:51 GMT -5
Quote: THEODORE ROOSEVELT-PRESIDENT, HUNTER, AND NATURALIST. Teddy Roosevelt, although not a big man is stature, was a very manly man. Before doing a complete turnaround from big game hunter to naturalist, as a hunter, the grizzly was the animal he most admired. He had hunted lions in Africa. He did his own skinning of the animals, and had once remarked that the skinned carcass of a grizzly was far more impressive than that of a lion. I will add to this, that there have been numerous big game hunters in the past that, in opening their eyes to reality, became some of our greatest defenders of the wild.
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 22, 2021 3:59:37 GMT -5
In this thread the good thing is that all opinions are from experts and their is no "interuption" of words in which it is clearly stated that a brown bear would beat a lion or tiger in a fight. No ambushing or hunting sense is used.
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Post by Montezuma on May 11, 2021 3:25:52 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 11, 2021 11:09:23 GMT -5
/\ It depends on the weight range of the grizzly and the African lion. The most numerous grizzly bear would probably be the Alaskan brown bear which are on average heavier than African lions. Even male interior grizzlies also outweigh lions.
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Post by Montezuma on May 11, 2021 15:09:53 GMT -5
/\ It depends on the weight range of the grizzly and the African lion. The most numerous grizzly bear would probably be the Alaskan brown bear which are on average heavier than African lions. Even male interior grizzlies also outweigh lions. Looks like that the author who said that the grizzly would kill the lion is saying on the base of the event of the California pit fights where bears always killed the lions. However, i think that this is a good opinion favouring bear over lion.
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Post by Montezuma on May 11, 2021 15:34:41 GMT -5
Although debates mostly donot change the mind of opponents yet some people might change their mind. For example, months ago i debate with this guy on youtube about tiger vs brown bear. At that time he thought that the tiger will kill the brown or polar bear in face-off but some months i checked his comments and now favours the grizzly or polar bear over tiger in face to face fight.
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Post by Montezuma on May 11, 2021 16:10:44 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on May 11, 2021 19:09:47 GMT -5
Quote: Ok but actual fight accounts are not posted in this thread. What is posted are the trainers/hunters opinions of who would win in a fight. *I know this King Kodiak. Never said otherwise. *The opinions of animal trainers, hunters, park rangers, biologists, and other professionals welcome here. Note that some opinions carry more weight than others. Agree, which opinion you think carries mire weight than other? I like clyde beatty and Syseov as both saw real fights.
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Post by brobear on May 11, 2021 23:59:56 GMT -5
Reply #58
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