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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 15:58:48 GMT -5
Just try to imagine it! How popular would a documentary be catching the life of the African grizzly on film? His new lifestyle, feeding habits, and his relationship with other species. Like nothing ever seen before. I would just love to see that. I wish they would put a grizzly in Africa just to see how how the bear would interact with the other wildlife that's there.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 30, 2018 17:02:21 GMT -5
This is a hard one really. a bear in africa today. To tell you the truth, this is really a very harsh enviroment, worst than north america, and Russia. The bear would come across heard of elephants, huge rhinos, hippos, pride of lions, pack of hyenas, cape buffaloes, nile crocs.
A bear would try to get an elephant calf like he does with bisons, what would happen if the mother or father catch him? It would not be good. What would happen if the bear comes across lakes and rivers? A nile croc might take him, its very possible. A pride of lions 15 + members will definatly hunt a single bear of 1000 lbs. a pack of hyenas a bear would deal with them like a pack of wolves. rhinos, hippos, those are just too big and strong.
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Post by tom on Sept 30, 2018 17:55:12 GMT -5
Just try to imagine it! How popular would a documentary be catching the life of the African grizzly on film? His new lifestyle, feeding habits, and his relationship with other species. Like nothing ever seen before. This would be very interesting indeed. The word "Opportunistic" would be the word I would use to describe the African plains Grizzlies dining habits. As I've stated before IMO his life may mirror close to the Yellowstone or barren ground Grizzly where an occasional kill on calves of available game for fresh meat. in the case of Africa that would mean Wildabeast, Buffalo, possibly Zebra, Warthog, you get the picture. Stealth would NOT be his strong suit on the African plains. Lions are experts on stealth, yet even with Lions the majority of attempts often fail due to this or that, wind shifting to the preys favor being the biggest one. What about breeding and raring offspring? Male have no part of the offspring raring nor for protection. In North America Grizzly cubs have a 50/50 chance of surviving to see their 1st birthday. How would that play out in Africa with many more predators to worry about for a Sow Grizzly? I think the ratio of survival would be even lower and possibly by quite a bit. Finally and above all, how would African plains Grizzlies coexist with Lions ?? Would Lions seek him as prey? Would Grizzlies steer clear of Lions at all cost? Those are the questions that beg to be answered from said hypothetical Documentary.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 30, 2018 18:40:15 GMT -5
I definatly agree with Tom here, in the harsh enviroment of africa, you either have to run in prides, be absolutely huge, or be absolutely fast to survive.
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Post by brobear on Oct 1, 2018 5:10:23 GMT -5
I definatly agree with Tom here, in the harsh enviroment of africa, you either have to run in prides, be absolutely huge, or be absolutely fast to survive. Somehow, the grizzly would find his niche. We must remember that grizzlies once lived in Pleistocene N. America which was equally as dangerous as Africa of not more so. The grizzly has three "super-powers" to get him through - a super sense of smell - super brute strength - super high intelligence. In the beginning, grizzlies would make plenty of mistakes, but bears are quick learners. Within a few years, mother grizzlies will be teaching their cubs the necessary survival skills. Grizzlies are masters of survival.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 1, 2018 5:23:39 GMT -5
Thats true about Pleistocene N. America, we have to consider that. And i would hope for the grizzly to be succesfull, but i think he will definatly have to avoid all those animals as much as possible.
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Post by brobear on Oct 1, 2018 5:37:59 GMT -5
Thats true about Pleistocene N. America, we have to consider that. And i would hope for the grizzly to be succesfull, but i think he will definatly have to avoid all those animals as much as possible. The great bear would have much to learn but he is a quick-study. In the beginning, the grizzly's love of water would bring about bears being killed by hippopotamus and crocodiles. These dangers did not exist in Pleistocene Europe, N. Asia nor in N. America. Hippo's and crocodiles would be something completely new to Ursus arctos. The other dangers are actually less than the grizzly found in Ice Age N. America.
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Post by brobear on Oct 1, 2018 9:50:29 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Oct 1, 2018 18:55:00 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Oct 1, 2018 19:06:53 GMT -5
www.africa-wildlife-detective.com/african-buffalo.html African buffalo calves would be dangerous prey for our African grizzly. While the equally as large and powerful bison is aggressive, this buffalo species is more so. There would be some bloody fights between adult buffalo and grizzly. Each fight could go either way. In time, the bears would learn the habits and tactics of the buffalo and fights would be fewer.
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Post by brobear on Oct 1, 2018 19:19:08 GMT -5
www.livescience.com/27443-zebras.html In the American West of the 1800's, grizzly stalked, ambushed and killed feral mustangs ( most often at a water-hole ). The zebra would certainly be on our African grizzly's prey list.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 1, 2018 21:08:00 GMT -5
www.ultimateungulate.com/Artiodactyla/Hylochoerus_meinertzhageni.html Here is another prey animal for our African grizzly; the giant forest hog which is roughly the size of a Russian wild boar. 275 kilograms is equal to 606.27 pounds (avoirdupois) there you go, The grizzly would definatly handle hogs. I guess the grizzly luck depends on who he crosses paths with. How do you think a grizzly would do against a giraffe?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 0:34:18 GMT -5
What sized bear do you think would have trouble with a python?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 0:36:51 GMT -5
www.africa-wildlife-detective.com/african-buffalo.html African buffalo calves would be dangerous prey for our African grizzly. While the equally as large and powerful bison is aggressive, this buffalo species is more so. There would be some bloody fights between adult buffalo and grizzly. Each fight could go either way. In time, the bears would learn the habits and tactics of the buffalo and fights would be fewer. A fight between a brown bear and a cape buffalo would be frightening to see.
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Post by brobear on Oct 2, 2018 1:56:40 GMT -5
Questions: How do you think a grizzly would do against a giraffe? What sized bear do you think would have trouble with a python? I simply cannot envision a grizzly even attempting to attack a giraffe. Lions, in force of numbers, are sometimes successful, but big cats have leaping ability and claws designed to hold-on. Lions normally herd the giraffe into an area where his footing will be unsure ( clever tactic ). Pythons would only seek young cubs. A snake swallows his food whole. A python could likely kill ( perhaps ) a three-year-old bear but could not eat it - I wouldn't think.
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Post by brobear on Oct 2, 2018 2:07:02 GMT -5
www.africa-wildlife-detective.com/african-buffalo.html African buffalo calves would be dangerous prey for our African grizzly. While the equally as large and powerful bison is aggressive, this buffalo species is more so. There would be some bloody fights between adult buffalo and grizzly. Each fight could go either way. In time, the bears would learn the habits and tactics of the buffalo and fights would be fewer. A fight between a brown bear and a cape buffalo would be frightening to see. Just as with bison, a herd of buffalo normally consists of cows and calves. Bulls simply visit the herd for breeding. Every battle that I have seen on documentaries of lions preying on buffalo has been a calf or a cow. No, I am not saying that lions will not kill bull buffalo; I simply haven't witnessed this. But, if our African grizzly were to prey upon buffalo calves, fights with buffalo cows would be by far more common than with with bulls.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 2:25:44 GMT -5
A fight between a brown bear and a cape buffalo would be frightening to see. Just as with bison, a herd of buffalo normally consists of cows and calves. Bulls simply visit the herd for breeding. Every battle that I have seen on documentaries of lions preying on buffalo has been a calf or a cow. No, I am not saying that lions will not kill bull buffalo; I simply haven't witnessed this. But, if our African grizzly were to prey upon buffalo calves, fights with buffalo cows would be by far more common than with with bulls. How often do you think a african would win against an adult male cape bufallo?
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Post by brobear on Oct 2, 2018 2:56:51 GMT -5
Q - How often do you think a african would win against an adult male cape bufallo? Not an easy question to answer. The Cape buffalo is neither heavier nor stronger than a bison. According to all I've read about grizzly vs bison, and this from early American pioneers, the grizzly defeated the bull bison as often as the bull bison defeated the bear. 50-50. However, the buffalo appears to possess more extreme weapons. Those horns act as both stabbing weapons and battering ram. Would this make a difference against a big boar 800-pound grizzly? In a fight between a boar grizzly and a bull bison or buffalo, the bovine will normally have double the weight - a huge advantage. But, barren ground grizzly of the Canadian tundra are known for killing musk ox nearly triple their weight.
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Post by brobear on Oct 2, 2018 3:42:54 GMT -5
Elephants, hippopotamus, and rhinoceros would all three be strictly avoided by the grizzly - ( I strongly believe ) - even the baby ones. Bear intelligence is equally as impressive as bear strength. I believe that "bear intelligence" is the reason that so few bear fossils have been found in the La Brea tar pits. Same holds true for the atrox ( American lion ) which appears to be the "smartest-ever" big cat. Far fewer atrox than any other big cat species of Pleistocene N. America ( tar pit location ).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 3:50:28 GMT -5
Q - How often do you think a african would win against an adult male cape bufallo? Not an easy question to answer. The Cape buffalo is neither heavier nor stronger than a bison. According to all I've read about grizzly vs bison, and this from early American pioneers, the grizzly defeated the bull bison as often as the bull bison defeated the bear. 50-50. However, the buffalo appears to possess more extreme weapons. Those horns act as both stabbing weapons and battering ram. Would this make a difference against a big boar 800-pound grizzly? In a fight between a boar grizzly and a bull bison or buffalo, the bovine will normally have double the weight - a huge advantage. But, barren ground grizzly of the Canadian tundra are known for killing musk ox nearly triple their weight. I read online that when bears fought bulls it was 50/50 as well. I think it would be the same for a cape buffalo.
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