Same page; from the Fake Professor today... #2,741
wildfact.com/forum/topic-on-the-edge-of-extinction-a-the-tiger-panthera-tigris?pid=211333#pid211333 FP - Good post with plenty of solid evidence supporting your conclusion on the outcome of an encounter between an adult wild male Amur tiger and an adult wild male Ussuri brown bear.
brobear - Only in the mind of someone completely biased in favor of the tiger.
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FP - In your last post, you quoted a number of people considered to be 'in the know' about Amur tigers and Ussuri brown bears. They agree male Amur tigers always win a fight with an adult male Ussuri brown bear.
brobear - Here are the lies.... They (some biologists) agree male Amur tigers (not always but usually) win a fight (actually an ambush) with an adult (the kid slipped in the word "male") Ussuri brown bear.
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FP - Let's assume they're right. The question is why biologists only very seldom find remains of an adult male Ussuri brown bear killed by an adult male Amur tiger.
brobear - Not "very seldom" but NEVER. Not one single confirmed incident.
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FP - Although biologists agree Amur tigers prey on bears up to their own size, I've yet to read a document in which it is stated adult male Ussuri brown bears are regular prey items.
brobear - There is not one single confirmed case of a tiger ever killing a bear (of any species) equally as heavy as the tiger himself.
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FP - The documents I read suggest adult male Ussuri brown bears are not on the menu.
brobear - This is a FACT.
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FP - A bit strange, as male tigers, according to the authorities you referred to, win just about every fight with an adult male Ussuri brown bear.
brobear - Again; the word "male" was slipped in by the fanboy. The adult brown she-bear is the only adult brown bear hunted by tigers. It is she whom the authorities are referring to.
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FP - The question, therefore is, why only very few adult male Ussuri brown bears have been killed by adult male Amur tigers.
brobear - Wrong. NO adult male brown bears have been killed by any tiger.
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FP - Today's authorities no doubt have good reasons to favour an adult male tiger in a fight with an adult male brown bear,
brobear - Really!!??!!
1- Size and Weight: The average brown bear is larger and heavier than the average lion or tiger. The max brown bear is larger and heavier than the max lion or tiger.
2- Strength and Leverage: The brown bear has far superior over-all strength than any big cat. Because of his broader build (feet further apart) and shorter back, the brown bear has superior leverage.
3- Grappling Ability: A bear has a greater range of motion in his arms (fore-limbs).
4- Intelligence: Bears are grouped among the smartest of mammals along with the great apes, elephants, and Cetaceans. Although the measuring of animal intelligence is not a fool-proof science, many biologists and animal trainers agree.
5- Bipedal Ability: Big cats often start a fight on their hind legs delivering paw swipes. Not even a great ape has greater bipedal ability than a bear.
6- Stamina: A cat has poor stamina due to roughly 20 million years of ambush predation. A brown bear has very good stamina. Doug Peacock once observed a grizzly running 10 miles non-stop, after which he remained active.
7- Endurance to Pain and Injury: There is no way to prove who has this advantage. Any experimentation would include animal cruelty. But, from my reading of the grizzly; the brown bear certainly has my vote.
8- Paw-Strike: To my knowledge, the force of the paw-strike of the lion, the tiger, and the brown bear has never been scientifically measured. However, considering that at size-parity (equal HB length) the bear is stronger, the bear has a greater range of motion in his arms, and the brown bear in particular has a shoulder hump of muscles which reinforces his upper-body strength above that of other bear species at equal size, there remains no lingering doubt that the brown bear wins this contest.
9- Durability/Girth: Being broader in build with more fat and muscle covering his inner vitals, the bear has this one. Brown Bear's overall more robust bone structure would provide good resistance to the big Cats ' bites and paw swipes. The neck of the adult male brown bear, which has a greater girth than his skull, is too thick for a tiger to make a quick kill if the bear were ambushed.
10- "Bulldog Build": There is a reason why among dogs, the bull-breeds are the fiercest fighters. Like a bulldog, a bear has a broad build which gives the impression of a short back. His slightly bowed legs and in-turned feet provides a superior grip (bear hug).
11- Plantigrade Posture: Being firmly planted on the ground rather than standing on his tippy-toes adds to the bear's superior stability.
12- Stability: Besides his plantigrade posture, the broad heavy build of the bear with his feet spaced apart makes him harder to knock down. We could compare a dining room table (bear) to a park bench (lion or tiger).
13- Short hind legs adds to stability and aids in grappling while fighting bipedal.
14- Tiny Eyes: A brown bear has relatively tiny eyes; a more difficult target.
15- Shoulder Hump (reinforces upper-body strength): this is why pound-for-pound, the brown bear is the strongest of bears.
16- Push Strength: While the big cat has superior pull strength, a bear has greater push strength.
17- Willingness to Fight Face-to-Face: This is a major advantage. Big cats are specialist predators - they are ambush predators. A big cat hates a face-to-face confrontation. This is the reason a big male tiger will most often walk away from even a female sloth bear when she musters-up the courage to stand her ground in defense. This is why a man is safe in tiger country when he wears a face mask on the back of his head. This is why lions will not attack cattle who has eyes painted onto their hind-quarters. This is the reason for the big V on the chest of the smaller Asiatic bears (sun bear, sloth bear, and moon bear).
A brown bear will go head-on against prey or adversary with no reluctance.