Tiger killing bears accounts analysis
Jul 20, 2022 2:05:08 GMT -5
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This thread analyze tigers killing bears accounts.
“Tiger killed a Brown bear in a 20-minute battle! - Bears fled from the tigers when tigers returned to their kills:”
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That bear was female. The original source, Tigers and other Predators by G. F. Gorokhov, states that the bear was female and that she gave tough fight to the tiger (note the "crawled back" part) despite being smaller by 100 pounds. Even Mountain Lord himself debunked the account.
“A strong tiger protects its prey from a brown bear. Here is one such case observed by an amateur hunter V.N. Tvilinev on a September day. Having climbed the ridge of a hill covered with a rare oak tree, about 150 meters away he saw a brown bear with a first-year cub. She left upon a clearing where she found a roe deer eaten by someone and began to eat it. Suddenly the bear stood abruptly on her hind legs, turning her whole body to the side. A large tiger came out of the thicket of hazel, where it was looking, rushing with a roar to the bear. Both animals spun in a fierce fight, crushing one another. The tiger was more often upstairs. About 20 minutes later the bear was finished. The tiger crawled back into the undergrowth. The little bear who was not far away during the fight went to the motionless mother, sniffed her, lay down beside her.”
Tigers and other Predators - G.F Gorokhov
Check reply #408.
carnivora.net/siberian-tiger-v-ussuri-brown-bear-t8294-s405.html
Note that the case has been witnessed by an hunter named "V. Tvilenev", so here's another proof that the bear is female and that the tiger was injured from Kucherenko's book.
In September 1966, in the upper reaches of the Ussuri, the hunter-fisherman V. Tvilenev watched a fight between a tiger and a brown bear from a hill under the following circumstances. The she-bear with the bear cub went out to the roe deer that had not been eaten by someone and pounced on her greedily. Suddenly, at some instant, she sharply turned towards the dense hazel and sat down. After a while, a tiger came out of there, saw a bear and immediately, without hesitation, rushed at her. The fight was fierce, swift and accompanied by the roar of both animals. They flew to the sides, then again interlocked in a huge ball, in which flashed first yellow, then brown. The bear cub, meanwhile, was restlessly watching the fight. In the end, the bear calmed down, and the tiger, lying down, very slowly, swaying, went into the bushes.
Several hours later V. Tvilenev came to the place of the fight. It resembled a plot that had just been grubbed for a vegetable garden - the trees and shrubs that had been torn out by the roots had not yet been removed. A dead bear lay there and then. There was literally no living place on it ... A bear cub whined mournfully at the body of the deceased mother.
Another experienced fisherman K. Poddubny told me: “We were looking for ginseng. In the summer. They ran across our backs, and they roar throughout the taiga ... The tiger seemed to be on top more often, but apparently could not bite through the bear's neck in any way. They flew in the wind. They scattered, roared, grabbed again. Then, we looked, they jumped away from each other and stood, swayed. They harassed each other almost to death. And I think there was no winner, because the tiger scratched out the eyes of the clubfoot and he wandered into the forest , bumping into trees, the tiger did not go, or rather crawled: his legs did not hold ... ".
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The last paragraph also talks about black bears fleeing from tigers. “Climbing trees to escape predators” is the typical behaviour of the black bears, brown bears usually avoid climbing trees and only females and cubs are likely to climb trees.
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“Tiger killed a Brown bear in a 20-minute battle! - Bears fled from the tigers when tigers returned to their kills:”
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That bear was female. The original source, Tigers and other Predators by G. F. Gorokhov, states that the bear was female and that she gave tough fight to the tiger (note the "crawled back" part) despite being smaller by 100 pounds. Even Mountain Lord himself debunked the account.
“A strong tiger protects its prey from a brown bear. Here is one such case observed by an amateur hunter V.N. Tvilinev on a September day. Having climbed the ridge of a hill covered with a rare oak tree, about 150 meters away he saw a brown bear with a first-year cub. She left upon a clearing where she found a roe deer eaten by someone and began to eat it. Suddenly the bear stood abruptly on her hind legs, turning her whole body to the side. A large tiger came out of the thicket of hazel, where it was looking, rushing with a roar to the bear. Both animals spun in a fierce fight, crushing one another. The tiger was more often upstairs. About 20 minutes later the bear was finished. The tiger crawled back into the undergrowth. The little bear who was not far away during the fight went to the motionless mother, sniffed her, lay down beside her.”
Tigers and other Predators - G.F Gorokhov
Check reply #408.
carnivora.net/siberian-tiger-v-ussuri-brown-bear-t8294-s405.html
Note that the case has been witnessed by an hunter named "V. Tvilenev", so here's another proof that the bear is female and that the tiger was injured from Kucherenko's book.
In September 1966, in the upper reaches of the Ussuri, the hunter-fisherman V. Tvilenev watched a fight between a tiger and a brown bear from a hill under the following circumstances. The she-bear with the bear cub went out to the roe deer that had not been eaten by someone and pounced on her greedily. Suddenly, at some instant, she sharply turned towards the dense hazel and sat down. After a while, a tiger came out of there, saw a bear and immediately, without hesitation, rushed at her. The fight was fierce, swift and accompanied by the roar of both animals. They flew to the sides, then again interlocked in a huge ball, in which flashed first yellow, then brown. The bear cub, meanwhile, was restlessly watching the fight. In the end, the bear calmed down, and the tiger, lying down, very slowly, swaying, went into the bushes.
Several hours later V. Tvilenev came to the place of the fight. It resembled a plot that had just been grubbed for a vegetable garden - the trees and shrubs that had been torn out by the roots had not yet been removed. A dead bear lay there and then. There was literally no living place on it ... A bear cub whined mournfully at the body of the deceased mother.
Another experienced fisherman K. Poddubny told me: “We were looking for ginseng. In the summer. They ran across our backs, and they roar throughout the taiga ... The tiger seemed to be on top more often, but apparently could not bite through the bear's neck in any way. They flew in the wind. They scattered, roared, grabbed again. Then, we looked, they jumped away from each other and stood, swayed. They harassed each other almost to death. And I think there was no winner, because the tiger scratched out the eyes of the clubfoot and he wandered into the forest , bumping into trees, the tiger did not go, or rather crawled: his legs did not hold ... ".
www.litmir.me/br/?b=559283&p=32
The last paragraph also talks about black bears fleeing from tigers. “Climbing trees to escape predators” is the typical behaviour of the black bears, brown bears usually avoid climbing trees and only females and cubs are likely to climb trees.
books.google.it/books?id=gz9ZxSjZhl8C&pg=PA27&dq=black+bears+climb+trees+to+escape+predators&hl=it&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjH8ryG8ob5AhWH8LsIHTDWDUQQ6AF6BAgHEAM
books.google.it/books?id=IW8uCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA300&dq=black+bears+climb+trees+to+escape+predators&hl=it&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiegv2Z8ob5AhW_hP0HHUWGCDAQ6AF6BAgFEAM
books.google.it/books?id=mXHvAQAAQBAJ&pg=PT218&dq=asiatic+black+bears+climb+trees+to+escape+predators&hl=it&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjQ0Yqx8ob5AhXYhf0HHWVIAtYQ6AF6BAgDEAM
books.google.it/books?id=SoAM4GvUsooC&printsec=frontcover&dq=amur+tiger+david+prynn&hl=it&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=black%20bear%20nearby%20tree&f=false
books.google.it/books?id=5hS-vzTHU5oC&pg=PA66&dq=adult+brown+bears+avoid+climbing+trees&hl=it&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj6gdqVv5CAAxXp87sIHRNbCr4Q6AF6BAgKEAM
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