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Post by brobear on May 26, 2020 19:05:22 GMT -5
Everyone: watch this video and describe the events in your own words.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 26, 2020 20:15:59 GMT -5
Reply #102, well brobear, the first full minute of the video you can clearly see the tigress sneaking thru the grass, all quiet, stalking, then it attacks the boar that is running from the front, but the boar has very poor eyesight so it looks like he did not see the tiger. To be completely honest, i give this a category 3-kill by chase.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 26, 2020 20:29:49 GMT -5
Wildboars have deadly tusks which are good for cutting even at close combat and have thick necks (the same size as their bodies) which makes them so hard to kill. Tigers have to bite their chest and make them bleed to death.
This is the same way leopards kill warthogs. I must say, if wildboars had flexible forearms like bears, they would be less likely to be prey.
As dangerous as the suide family is, they do not have flexible forearms which means they are more likely than not to be doom once a predator latches on.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 26, 2020 21:00:39 GMT -5
Brobear, this is the description of the person who filmed the video in reply #102:
"Clearly the poor guy had no idea he was going to be socked so bad"
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Post by theundertaker45 on May 27, 2020 5:10:11 GMT -5
For me that's no 100% fair face-off; you can see that the boar tries to change its direction before getting caught by the tigress which signals to me that it's priority target was to just get away. However, it's also no 100% stealthy ambush as both combatants were aware of each other; it's somewhere in between. Even though the caribou has been injured by a pack of wolves before, this footage is a precise example of a fair face-off from a psychological standpoint of view and it's the only one I have managed to find until now (excluding intraspecific interactions of course):
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Post by brobear on May 27, 2020 5:17:34 GMT -5
All of the fanboys in a distant location claim they see a huge wild boar attacking a tiger who proceeds to kill the big wild boar in a fair face-off fight.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 27, 2020 10:21:39 GMT -5
All of the fanboys in a distant location claim they see a huge wild boar attacking a tiger who proceeds to kill the big wild boar in a fair face-off fight. Ha ha ha, that was far from a face off bro, the boar was caught running.
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Post by brobear on May 28, 2020 3:46:39 GMT -5
Quote: Even though the caribou has been injured by a pack of wolves before, this footage is a precise example of a fair face-off from a psychological standpoint of view and it's the only one I have managed to find until now (excluding intraspecific interactions of course): *I remember there was another similar face-off between a male barren ground grizzly and a caribou which was posted in the old AVA forum. Like so much, it is now lost in the internet maze. In that one, the grizzly fought the caribou - full-frontal just like this she-bear does - and finally holds the caribou underwater and drowns him.
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Post by brobear on May 28, 2020 4:14:15 GMT -5
'Taker says: For me that's no 100% fair face-off; you can see that the boar tries to change its direction before getting caught by the tigress which signals to me that it's priority target was to just get away. However, it's also no 100% stealthy ambush as both combatants were aware of each other; it's somewhere in between. *Yes; category three:
category 1- Face-Off - like two boxers who step into the ring and look each other in the eye. category 2- Ambush - like a Ninja who appears unexpectedly out of the darkness and attacks his victim without warning.( not a face-off ). category 3- Kill by Chase - like a wolf who chases the caribou. The caribou knows he is there. The wolf attacks from behind.( not a face-off ).
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Post by brobear on May 28, 2020 5:51:58 GMT -5
IMO, and I don't think that it is in the slightest unreasonable to say, most cats will go through an entire lifetime never experiencing a face-to-face fight against any animal other than another cat. Among the bears, brown bears especially, there is very likely a high percentage who have experience in interspecific face-off confrontations.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 28, 2020 9:05:48 GMT -5
I agree. This holds true for every cat. But lions will fight head on more than all other cats because even if they get hurt, the pride members can hunt for him.
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Post by brobear on May 28, 2020 16:32:44 GMT -5
category 1- Face-Off - like two boxers who step into the ring and look each other in the eye. ( no more explanation needed here ). category 2- Ambush - like a Ninja who appears unexpectedly out of the darkness and attacks his victim without warning.( not a face-off. No more explanation should be needed here ). category 3- Kill by Chase - like a wolf who chases the caribou. The caribou knows he is there. The wolf attacks from behind or from one side. The key here is, the prey or adversary is not trying to fight but is instead trying to escape. If both animals are not facing each other ready to fight, it is not a face-off. *Note: If a herbivore being chased decides to stop, turn around, and fight, then this chase becomes a face-off. No physical contact has been made. *However, if the prey has been successfully ambushed ( physical contact made ), no matter what happens from this point, this remains an ambush event.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 28, 2020 17:48:30 GMT -5
Tigers use both category 2 and category 3 in more than 90% of the times. (I did not read 90% anywhere, that percentage is just my opinion based on all the videos, accounts, quotes from experts, and the nature of the tiger).
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Post by brobear on May 28, 2020 18:33:21 GMT -5
By Warsaw: Schaller "Adult tigers give the impression of being very cautious, attacking only when the danger of being injured is minimal"Ullas Karanth'"After examining hundreds of tiger kills, I had concluded that all successful gaur hunts would begin with the tiger launching a lateral sneak attack."
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Post by brobear on May 29, 2020 1:13:07 GMT -5
Tigers use both category 2 and category 3 in more than 90% of the times. (I did not read 90% anywhere, that percentage is just my opinion based on all the videos, accounts, quotes from experts, and the nature of the tiger). My estimate would be category #2 and category #3 in probably no less than 98% of physical contact with interspecific prey.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 29, 2020 1:17:42 GMT -5
Tigers use both category 2 and category 3 in more than 90% of the times. (I did not read 90% anywhere, that percentage is just my opinion based on all the videos, accounts, quotes from experts, and the nature of the tiger). My estimate would be category #2 and category #3 in probably 98% of physical contact with Ok, 98% is very reliable also. Wont argue there. Anything over 90% is reliable i think. Category 1 is not in the tiger's dictionary.
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Post by brobear on May 29, 2020 1:57:34 GMT -5
My estimate would be category #2 and category #3 in probably 98% of physical contact with Ok, 98% is very reliable also. Wont argue there. Anything over 90% is reliable i think. Category 1 is not in the tiger's dictionary.I will post it here on this topic if I ever discover even a single face-off between a big cat and a non-Felidae animal of near-equal size or larger. In the wild only of course. *Note: Finding a face-off event on video will not be an easy task. Mammalian predators are each either a chaser ( wolf ) or an ambush predator ( tiger ). Few herbivores will stand their ground and fight other than a huge pachyderm ( hippo, rhino, or elephant ).
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Post by King Kodiak on May 29, 2020 9:11:28 GMT -5
Brobear, i know this thread is mostly about predation attempts, but here are some cougars that at least stood face to face with black bears:
Cougar stood face to face until he runs away at the end:
Grizzly bear cub enters the territory of a full grown mother cogar, the grizzly cub wins the exchange and the cougar runs away at the end:
Another head on fight, the black bear slams the cougar to the ground, the cougar ends up running away yet again at the end (common denominator)
This is why i say cats use category 2 and 3 in more than 90% of the time, to leave some room for videos like these. Face to face, but the 3 cougars still lost and ran away at the end.
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Post by brobear on May 29, 2020 9:31:16 GMT -5
First video; my guess is Hollywood animals putting on a show. I recognize the Disney nature-film narrator's voice. Second video; pretty-much the same thing. Hollywood animals. Third video; sorry, but ( IMO ) all three are Hollywood produced nature films using animals who are familiar with each other.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 29, 2020 9:38:38 GMT -5
Fair enough, you could be right. But Hollywood or not Hollywood, the 3 cougars lost and ran away at the end.
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