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Post by brobear on Oct 2, 2018 13:22:09 GMT -5
About the giraffe; a grizzly might chance giving chase to a baby giraffe. This, of course, might lead to an odd but interesting confrontation. Also, the Eland ( world's biggest antelope ) up to 1000 kg ( over a full ton ) might become grizzly prey. Africa, south of the Sahara Desert, appears to me to be excellent grizzly country except perhaps the climate. Even though grizzlies are highly adaptable, they are truly North-woods high-country animals. But, as stated, they are adaptable. Of course, biggest problem is the one we hate talking about - the human factor.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 2, 2018 16:10:46 GMT -5
Brobear, do you think the grizzly would be more hunted there in Africa?
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Post by brobear on Oct 2, 2018 16:23:48 GMT -5
Brobear, do you think the grizzly would be more hunted there in Africa? To start with, they should start out as a protected species ( all countries ). Then be dead-serious in protecting them. But yes, they would be a big target for trophy hunters. Their uniqueness would work against them. Imagine, the mounted head of an African grizzly on the wall of a trophy hunter's house.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 2, 2018 16:29:12 GMT -5
I would imagine yes. Cant stand hunters. Hunters should be hunted.
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Post by brobear on Oct 2, 2018 16:34:32 GMT -5
I would imagine yes. Cant stand hunters. Hunters should be hunted. I totally agree. Once the uniqueness wears off, grizzlies would be less hunted; at least as safe as a rhino or an elephant. But, we have no control of the horrors inflicted upon animal by man. So, I would rather discuss them as if humanity were extinct.
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Post by brobear on Oct 3, 2018 16:54:55 GMT -5
www.scirecordbook.org/nile-crocodile/ DESCRIPTION The Nile crocodile is by far the largest in Africa, averaging 11-1/2 feet (3.5 m) in length, very occasionally to around 16-1/2 feet (5 m), and sometimes even more. BEHAVIOR Spends much of the day basking in the sun at water's edge in order to maintain its preferred body temperature of 75 degrees F. (25 degrees C.). When overheated, it seeks shade or partly submerges. Returns to the water at dusk, for early evening is its most active period. Eats mainly fish, though large adults routinely capture antelopes and domestic animals that come to drink, even animals as large as Cape buffalo. Birds are frequently eaten, as are snails, small mammals and sometimes humans. Does not require large quantities of food. The Nile crocodile is a hole-nesting species, in which the female lays its eggs in holes excavated by its hind legs, and tends to return to the same hole each year. The male and female cooperate in protecting their young for six to eight weeks after hatching. DISTRIBUTION Most of Africa south of the Sahara where there is permanent water, except where it has been eliminated by commercial hide hunting or human settlement. In northeastern Africa it is absent from the Red Sea coast, from Djibouti, and from much of Ethiopia and Somalia. In southern Africa it is absent from Namibia except for the Cunene River, from most of Botswana except for the Okavango and Kwando-Chobe swamps, and from much of South Africa except for Zululand and parts of the Transvaal. REMARKS A large crocodile is a worthy quarry and has long been regarded as a big game trophy by sportsmen. When hunted by sporting methods (as contrasted with commercial hunting, which is normally conducted at night with boats and spotlights) it can be a challenging game animal, for its senses are good and it has learned to be wary. It requires a careful stalk and a precise brain shot-often at rather long range-in order to anchor it so that it will not slide into deep water and be lost. STATUS Listed as threatened by the USF&WS. Listed on Appendix I of CITES, except for the populations in Botswana, Ethiopia, Kenya, Malawi, Mozambique, South Africa and Zambia; and in Zimbabwe, subject to ranching provisions; and in Tanzania, subject to ranching provisions and annual quotas; and in Uganda and Madagascar, subject to export quotas.
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Post by brobear on Oct 3, 2018 17:14:09 GMT -5
www.factfiend.com/gustave-bullet-proof-crocodile-burundi/ Gustave, The Bullet-Proof Demon Crocodile of Burundi Within the areas they can naturally be found and a handful zoos with crappy fencing, Nile crocodiles are described as being “apex predators”, the scientific and supremely badass sounding title given to animals so comprehensively unfuckwithable that no other animals dares prey on them. While all Nile crocodiles are considered to be apex predators, a large example of the species known as Gustave is unique amongst his kin due to his habit of attacking humans. According to local legend, Gustave has killed more than 300 people during his several decade long career as a large crocodile. Gustaves usual modus operandi involves snatching people from the edges of the Rusizi River in Burundi, East Africa and leaving their corpses uneaten. In regards to the latter, this has proved to be the most enduring aspect of Gustave’s and his habit of dragging people into the water just to watch them drown has led some to assume that the homicidal crocodilian kills reasons other than needing to eat like practising how to hunt or perhaps more likely, that he’s an asshole. Exactly how large Gustave is isn’t known, though conservative estimates based on photographs, descriptions from people who’ve seen him and still have enough limbs to make wildly exaggerated hand measurements and bite marks in wildebeests say he’s likely well over 20 feet long and probably weighs over 2000 pounds. Or to put it another way, big enough that you could shoot him in the face and he wouldn’t even give a Fool
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Post by brobear on Oct 3, 2018 17:26:31 GMT -5
I absolutely consider the crocodile ( full-grown of the larger species - various saltwater species and Nile ) to be the dominant terrestrial predators even though they are semi-aquatic. Some tiger fan-boys brag that tigers hunt and kill crocodiles of any size. Well, they are partly right. Our African grizzly would have to learn quickly about the dangers of crocodiles.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 3, 2018 18:11:46 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Oct 3, 2018 20:02:09 GMT -5
Fifteen-foot Bengali crocodile claims king of jungle title from tiger The tiger may be king of the jungle, but its writ does not extend to the wild mangrove swamps of West Bengal where a 15-foot crocodile claimed the title earlier this week. By Dean Nelson in New Delhi 4:28PM BST 11 Aug 2011 Forest officials in the Sundarbans national park said the crocodile had made jungle history by becoming the first in living memory to kill a tiger. A post-mortem examination of the carcass of an eight-year-old male tiger discovered by rangers on the banks of a jungle river on Tuesday has confirmed that he was killed and eaten by a crocodile. The tiger had been attacked as it swam across the river and was killed in what they believed had been a fierce struggle. Bivash Pandav of the Wildlife Institute of India's Endangered Species Department said attacks by tigers on crocodiles were common – a crocodile was killed recently in Ranthambore tiger reserve. "However, this is the first time we have heard of an attack by crocodiles on a tiger," he said. While it was rare for large predators to confront one another, he said, crocodiles have an advantage in water. "Salt water crocodiles are very powerful. Tigers cross creeks to move from one island to another in the Sundarbans and a crocodile in water is definitely much more powerful than a tiger," he said.
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Post by brobear on Oct 3, 2018 20:07:09 GMT -5
A Nile crocodile can be even bigger than the Bengali crocodile; even rivaling the Australian saltwater crocodile in size. These dinosaur-like reptiles would be a deadly threat to even the biggest grizzly.
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Post by tom on Oct 3, 2018 22:46:09 GMT -5
A post-mortem examination of the carcass of an eight-year-old male tiger discovered by rangers on the banks of a jungle river on Tuesday has confirmed that he was killed and eaten by a crocodile. The tiger had been attacked as it swam across the river and was killed in what they believed had been a fierce struggle.In the water there is NO question that a Tiger, Grizzly or Lion is no match and is at a decided disadvantage to a large Crocodile. However, on land I think the odds change a bit. Not necessarily to the point that the Croc is now at a disadvantage, but the Tiger, Grizzly and Lion now have mobility on their side. IMO, If a big Grizzly could somehow attack a Croc on land by attacking it from behind gaining control of the head and neck by pinning it down and using his massive claws and shoulders to inflict damage. A massive blow to the neck or base of the skull crushing it would bring instant death. If he's bold and attacks without hesitation,IMO he stands a good chance. Mind you this would have to be a good size boar Grizzly to handle the likes of a Nile Croc. Agree or disagree?
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Post by brobear on Oct 4, 2018 3:35:43 GMT -5
I have thought of this Tom. It would not be in the nature of the grizzly to attempt and attack on a really huge crocodile. However, let's just say that this particular grizzly is the "big boss bear" of his domain. Hunting has been bad for the past few days. No hyena kills or leopard kills to be usurped. And here, as still as a log, lies this big, leather-bound package of meat. The grizzly goes for it... Its possible that the grizzly might kill the behemoth reptile if he has had plenty of previous experience killing smaller ones. He would have need of that experience of the croc's habits and capabilities. Even then, very risky.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 4, 2018 5:51:40 GMT -5
A Nile crocodile can be even bigger than the Bengali crocodile; even rivaling the Australian saltwater crocodile in size. These dinosaur-like reptiles would be a deadly threat to even the biggest grizzly. exactly, and as you can see by this article, neither a bear or a tiger have a chance vs a croc on water.
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Post by brobear on Oct 4, 2018 6:26:23 GMT -5
Grizzlies love pork. A grizzly will walk past horses and cattle to the pig pen, according to several reports for the historical American West. Where they are available, a bear's nose can find them. Here is another choice prey animal for our African grizzly: www.safariwest.com/wildlife/red-river-hog/ There is no mistaking this species as anything but a pig. Their name references their beautiful rust colored coat, but there is more than red in these hogs. The red river hog face presents dichromatic markings of black and white, though black covers most of it. They maintain a thin dorsal mane of white fur and long black tassels of hair that hang from their leaf shaped ears. Though you will notice a size difference between male and females as in most mammals, the easiest way to distinguish the two is to spot the large ‘warts’ or ridges above the males eyes. Height 1.8-2.6 ft (~55-80 cm) Weight 99-264 lb (~45-120 kg) 264 kilograms is equal to 582.02 pounds (avoirdupois)
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Post by brobear on Oct 4, 2018 10:36:10 GMT -5
On the FaceBook site, Yellowstone Bears I asked this question: A grizzly spends a lot of time overturning rocks and logs. In Yellowstone. He must occasionally find a snake. Does he eat it or avoid the reptile?
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 4, 2018 11:36:14 GMT -5
I would say most eat it, some dont. Depends on the individual bear.
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Post by brobear on Oct 4, 2018 18:21:51 GMT -5
According to one source: There is no documentation of bears eating snakes, no trace has been found in bear scat. the two stories relate bears do not like snake.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 4, 2018 19:55:07 GMT -5
According to one source: There is no documentation of bears eating snakes, no trace has been found in bear scat. the two stories relate bears do not like snake. Thats weird, a hungry bear will eat just about anything. I bet you a shatun bear will eat it, lol.
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Post by brobear on Oct 5, 2018 2:57:11 GMT -5
According to one source: There is no documentation of bears eating snakes, no trace has been found in bear scat. the two stories relate bears do not like snake. Thats weird, a hungry bear will eat just about anything. I bet you a shatun bear will eat it, lol. Still no absolute answer to my question as the studies were taken with American black bears.
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