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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 8:27:17 GMT -5
A 500 pound bear vs a 500 pound anaconda. Who wins this scrap?
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Post by brobear on Oct 5, 2018 9:04:22 GMT -5
A 500 pound bear vs a 500 pound anaconda. Who wins this scrap? On land - I'd bet the farm on the grizzly. In water - even though the grizzly is an excellent swimmer, my dime is on the giant snake.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 9:11:54 GMT -5
A 500 pound bear vs a 500 pound anaconda. Who wins this scrap? On land - I'd bet the farm on the grizzly. In water - even though the grizzly is an excellent swimmer, my dime is on the giant snake. Same here I think the bear will bully and kick butt on land.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 19:23:52 GMT -5
OK we discussed how the grizzly would survive in Africa. How about mr kodiak bear? How would a kodiak bear that average over 1,000 lbs survive in africa? Would the kodiak be be bigger or smaller in your opinion and would they be a threat to other wildlife?
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 7, 2018 19:34:50 GMT -5
OK we discussed how the grizzly would survive in Africa. How about mr kodiak bear? How would a kodiak bear that average over 1,000 lbs survive in africa? Would the kodiak be be bigger or smaller in your opinion and would they be a threat to other wildlife? i would say its basically the same thing as discussed before. 500 lb grizzly or 1000 lb Kodiak.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 19:39:43 GMT -5
OK we discussed how the grizzly would survive in Africa. How about mr kodiak bear? How would a kodiak bear that average over 1,000 lbs survive in africa? Would the kodiak be be bigger or smaller in your opinion and would they be a threat to other wildlife? i would say its basically the same thing as discussed before. 500 lb grizzly or 1000 lb Kodiak. Really? You think it's the same? What about if we put a kodiak bear in Africa for a month then what do you think would happen?
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 7, 2018 19:47:51 GMT -5
Well it depends, if the Kodiak crosses paths with herds of elephants, rhinos, hippos, and starts trouble, he will most likely die, with cape buffaloes it would be an awesome fight, nile crocs will kill him if he crosses rivers. So that is why i think the weight of the bear wont make a difference in this case.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 19:58:54 GMT -5
Well it depends, if the Kodiak crosses paths with herds of elephants, rhinos, hippos, he will most likely die, with cape buffaloes it would be an awesome fight, nile crocs will kill him if he crosses rivers. So that is why i think the weight of the bear wont make a difference.o Yeah I think you're right. A bear have to lok out for alot of of other animals and predators.
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Post by tom on Oct 7, 2018 22:57:52 GMT -5
OK we discussed how the grizzly would survive in Africa. How about mr kodiak bear? How would a kodiak bear that average over 1,000 lbs survive in africa? Would the kodiak be be bigger or smaller in your opinion and would they be a threat to other wildlife?I seriously doubt that a Grizzly aka Brown bear could grow to such weights in south Africa. Mainly because of their diet and that they would always on the move burning precious calories. Being a much warmer climate the Bears fat layer and coat would not be as thick either. Like the Barron ground Grizzly he would be a traveler searching for that next meal instead of lounging in a stream gorging on Salmon then napping on the shoreline before fishing again later that afternoon. But... lets just say hypothetically one did grow to 1000+ pounds. I still feel he would be no more of a threat than a 6-700 pound Grizzly with regards to some of the Apex predators and dangerous game on the African Serengeti. Lion prides would still be his #1 concern. A Hippo, Elephant, Rhino and Buffalo would all be off limits except possibly calves. He would still predominately be a scavenger looking for the easiest meal he could attain or steal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 23:18:08 GMT -5
OK we discussed how the grizzly would survive in Africa. How about mr kodiak bear? How would a kodiak bear that average over 1,000 lbs survive in africa? Would the kodiak be be bigger or smaller in your opinion and would they be a threat to other wildlife?I seriously doubt that a Grizzly aka Brown bear could grow to such weights in south Africa. Mainly because of their diet and that they would always on the move burning precious calories. Being a much warmer climate the Bears fat layer and coat would not be as thick either. Like the Barron ground Grizzly he would be a traveler searching for that next meal instead of lounging in a stream gorging on Salmon then napping on the shoreline before fishing again later that afternoon. But... lets just say hypothetically one did grow to 1000+ pounds. I still feel he would be no more of a threat than a 6-700 pound Grizzly with regards to some of the Apex predators and dangerous game on the African Serengeti. Lion prides would still be his #1 concern. A Hippo, Elephant, Rhino and Buffalo would all be off limits except possibly calves. He would still predominately be a scavenger looking for the easiest meal he could attain or steal. You make good points. I never thought of it like that. You're right I think a bear would spend all day trying to get different kinds of food while covering great distances burning off those calories. I agree with you that this would make the bear smaller in weight and size.
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Post by brobear on Oct 8, 2018 2:40:07 GMT -5
I would not be so cruel as to take a bear out of Alaska or Siberia and place him on Africa. Perhaps from Montana, Wyoming, or Utah but no more arctic than that. Other choices would be Syrian and Gobi grizzlies. Mexican grizzly would have been perfect. I agree completely with Tom. Either a grizzly in African would either be a nomad or he would have a huge territory. He would live as an opportunist, scavenging carcasses, feeding on ants, bees, and termites, grazing and foraging, feeding on crocodile eggs and small crocodiles, digging for roots, tubers, and rodents, fishing and digging clams on the coast ( if available ), and also engaged in active predation. As already discussed, our African grizzly would likely reach Yellowstone-size.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 3:45:49 GMT -5
I would not be so cruel as to take a bear out of Alaska or Siberia and place him on Africa. Perhaps from Montana, Wyoming, or Utah but no more arctic than that. Other choices would be Syrian and Gobi grizzlies. Mexican grizzly would have been perfect. I agree completely with Tom. Either a grizzly in African would either be a nomad or he would have a huge territory. He would live as an opportunist, scavenging carcasses, feeding on ants, bees, and termites, grazing and foraging, feeding on crocodile eggs and small crocodiles, digging for roots, tubers, and rodents, fishing and digging clams on the coast ( if available ), and also engaged in active predation. As already discussed, our African grizzly would likely reach Yellowstone-size. I agree. I get that the bear would be finished if it came into contact with a whole lion pride but do you think a bear would have a chance of at least defeating 2 lions or lioness at the same time if the bear manage to see 2 lions by all heir self with no pride by their side.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 8, 2018 3:56:34 GMT -5
Nah Brute, the 2 lions would attack at the same time, they work together, they would be agressive and attack to defend its territory, or to try to hunt the bear. 2 its just too much, 2 lions have killed large buffaloes before. The odds are against the bear there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 4:00:44 GMT -5
Nah Brute, the 2 lions would attack at the same time, they work together, they would be agressive and attack to defend its territory, or to try to hunt the bear. 2 its just too much, 2 lions have killed large buffaloes before. The odds are against the bear there. I think you're right I think the lions would have the adavatage because they could attack the bear from both a front and rear attack.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 8, 2018 4:04:01 GMT -5
Nah Brute, the 2 lions would attack at the same time, they work together, they would be agressive and attack to defend its territory, or to try to hunt the bear. 2 its just too much, 2 lions have killed large buffaloes before. The odds are against the bear there. I think you're right I think the lions would have the adavatage because they could attack the bear from both a front and rear attack. Yeah that is exacly how they would attack the bear in the wild, from all sides, and they can maneuver, they can run around so the bear wont strike them, it would be basically impossible for the bear to win there. Now imagine more than 2, which is more probable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 4:07:13 GMT -5
I think you're right I think the lions would have the adavatage because they could attack the bear from both a front and rear attack. Yeah that is exacly how they would attack the bear in the wild, from all sides, and they can maneuver, they can run around so the bear wont strike them, it would be basically impossible for the bear to win there. Now imagine more than 2, which is more probable. Exactly the lions just have too many advantages over the bear in this fight. Not what if this was a 1,500 pound kodiak bear vs these 2 lions? Then what.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 8, 2018 4:12:45 GMT -5
I will ve very honest, in the wild in africa, a 1500 lb bear would probably still lose vs 2 lions, same thing would happen. Now if it was a CAGE fight, nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, barely room to maneuver, until death, then the 1500 lb stands a better chance at winning. You have to remember that a huge brown bear killed 3 full grown tigers at once in a captive cage fight.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 8, 2018 4:16:12 GMT -5
Now if the bear happens to find a lone lion.... dead lion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 4:17:50 GMT -5
I will ve very honest, in the wild in africa, a 1500 lb bear would probably still lose vs 2 lions, same thing would happen. Now if it was a CAGE fight, nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, barely room to maneuver, until death, then the 1500 lb stands a better chance at winning. You have to remember that a huge brown bear killed 3 full grown tigers at once in a captive cage fight. I agree I think you're right
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Post by brobear on Oct 8, 2018 4:18:40 GMT -5
I've watched numerous documentaries of lions preying on buffalo. Sometimes you see two lions on the huge bovine and in other cases just one. Other lionesses of the pride standing back watching. I believe that there is a really good chance of a lion being killed when the hunting pride chooses a big boar grizzly. I am repeating myself here, but if the fight ends with one dead bear and one dead lion... read the score. Its a draw. Also, I will add, even with two lionesses on the grizzly, each one weighing 300 pounds ( 136 kg ) the grizzly weighing perhaps 600 pounds ( 272 kg ), there is still a good chance of one lioness being killed. Note: no Kodiak bears in Africa.
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