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Post by King Kodiak on May 25, 2020 19:54:23 GMT -5
How would the aggressive barren ground grizzly do in Africa ? I know it is outgun by the African lion in terms of weight and would lose in a fight to death. However, it chases off polar bears which are larger and stronger than African lions. Bad Idea. Bad idea because of his small size correct? Well, you have to remember that its all about food availability, habitat, and resources, so yeah, at first the barren ground grizzly will be the same size as always, but as the decades go by, the average weight would most likely increase same as the Atlas bear.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 25, 2020 20:02:19 GMT -5
In addition brown bears are adaptable creatures too. Their weight fluctuates based on the availability of food as pointed out above. I also think the Tibetan blue bear’s weight could also increase eventually in Africa.
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Post by brobear on May 26, 2020 3:07:51 GMT -5
However; if we start out with a bear big enough to defend himself against at least one lion ( mountain grizzly or European ) then he will most likely in time become an even bigger bear due to the fact that he no longer needs to hibernate. Also, in time his aggression level will probably increase due to all that Africa has to dish out; especially the combination of heat and dangerous waters. The ideal bear for Africa might actually be the Gobi bear. Barren ground grizzlies are sub-arctic bears. Imagine the transition. Even Montana and Wyoming bears are not used to a warm climate. Too bad we have no more Mexican grizzlies.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 30, 2020 3:52:04 GMT -5
The Gobi bears will do just fine in Africa and so will the Syrian brown bears.
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Post by brobear on Jun 7, 2020 8:27:20 GMT -5
Question of the year: Which enviroment would be more difficult for brown bears; South Africa with its lions, spotted hyenas, Nile crocodiles, and hippopotamus -or- Pleistocene North America with its Panthera atrox, Smilodon fatalis, dire wolves, and giant short-faced bears?
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 7, 2020 10:24:01 GMT -5
Question of the year: Which enviroment would be more difficult for brown bears; South Africa with its lions, spotted hyenas, Nile crocodiles, and hippopotamus -or- Pleistocene North America with its Panthera atrox, Smilodon fatalis, dire wolves, and giant short-faced bears? Hard to say, maybe both equally. The fact is the Pleistocene north american grizzly survived among those animals for about 14.000 years. The Atlas bear did well in North Africa for a long time.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 7, 2020 10:52:19 GMT -5
Personally, I think it is 50/50 considering the adaptability of the brown bears. Not only did the Atlas bears live well among lions but the grizzlies also survived well around the extinct felines.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 14, 2020 10:39:43 GMT -5
Look how fast the croc lunges from the water and grabs this wildebeest. This would be a problem for bears near water.
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Post by tom on Jun 14, 2020 11:48:08 GMT -5
Yeah that could be a real problem for Bears
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Post by brobear on Jun 14, 2020 12:28:23 GMT -5
Yeah that could be a real problem for Bears Between the Nile crocodile and the hippopotamus, the water-loving brown bears would have to completely change their life styles. In my honest opinion; modern Africa would be more difficult for brown bears than Pleistocene N. America was.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 15, 2020 8:22:03 GMT -5
I also think brown bears might be smaller in Africa because of the absence of spawning salmon unless there is something else available there.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 22, 2020 18:44:26 GMT -5
We have forgotten about the vultures in Africa. Personally both brown bears and black bears will become an additional competitor to these vultures. Even the most powerful vulture will give way to a bear.
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Post by brobear on Jun 29, 2020 7:33:12 GMT -5
I also think brown bears might be smaller in Africa because of the absence of spawning salmon unless there is something else available there. Not all brown bears feast on spawning salmon. The Ussuri brown bear is a forest dweller, mostly vegetarian, but does some hunting and scavenging for meat. Without the annual fish abundance, this grizzly averages ( those 10+ years old ) well over 600 pounds.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 29, 2020 7:36:47 GMT -5
/\Warsaw did point out that spawning salmon doesn’t necessarily makes brown bears larger either.
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Post by brobear on Jun 29, 2020 8:52:51 GMT -5
/\Warsaw did point out that spawning salmon doesn’t necessarily makes brown bears larger either. If you can possibly locate that post by Warsaw; I'd love to read it. However, I know how difficult it can be to locate information sometimes. So, if you can't find it; not a problem.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 29, 2020 9:47:49 GMT -5
/\Warsaw did point out that spawning salmon doesn’t necessarily makes brown bears larger either. Maybe he meant to say something else. Kodiak bears grow so large because of the abundance of salmon and other fishes at Kodiak Island.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 29, 2020 10:24:06 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 29, 2020 10:28:20 GMT -5
African lion vs Kermode bear thread, the poll is 11 to 1 in favour of the lion. Was it you who voted for the bear GreenArtos?
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 29, 2020 10:30:13 GMT -5
No I voted for the African lion. The average black bear to be honest will not defeat an African lion. However, at equal weights it might be almost 50/50.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 29, 2020 10:32:39 GMT -5
No I voted for the African lion. The average black bear to be honest will not defeat an African lion. However, at equal weights it might be almost 50/50. I see Mondas in that thread, who you think he voted for?
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