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Post by brobear on Mar 26, 2017 11:53:05 GMT -5
BEARS of the last frontier... Ringed seals are the mainstay of a polar bear's diet. Seals depend on ice, and so, in turn, do polar bears. In fact, the two species are so closely tied that the number of seals regulate the number of bears and vice versa like the relationship of the lynx and the snowshoe hare. It is even possible to estimate the number of seals from knowing the number of polar bears in a population.
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Post by brobear on Mar 26, 2017 11:56:24 GMT -5
The Bear Almanac by Gary Brown.
The polar bear eats skin and blubber first ( 100 to 150 pounds of blubber per meal ). Will beg for blubber from whaling ships. Stomach capacity is 154 pounds ( large male ).
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Post by brobear on Mar 26, 2017 11:58:43 GMT -5
Guinness Book of World Records 2015 - largest terrestrial carnivore - The polar bear ( Ursus maritimus ) weighs 880 to 1,320 pounds ( 400 to 600 kg ) and is 7 feet 10 inches to 8 feet 6 inches ( 2.4 to 2.6 m ) long. It feeds on the largest prey, killing walruses up to 1,100 pounds ( 500 kg ) and beluga whales of 1,322 pounds ( 600 kg ) to fill a stomach capacity of ca. 150 pounds ( 68 kg ) or 9 pounds ( 4 kg ) more than an adult human male.
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Post by brobear on Mar 26, 2017 11:59:32 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on May 14, 2017 4:56:41 GMT -5
shaggygod.proboards.com/ First posted by Grraahh in 2011. Walruses that overwinter in an area with restricted access to water become potentially vulnerable to predation by polar bears. Three observations support this. On 19 April 1976 one of us (HPLK) found two walruses that apparently had been killed by polar bears. One was an adult female 22+ years old (289 cm long, estimated weight 400+ kg). There was blood on top of her frozen over haul-out hole, indicating that she might have been frozen out when the bear attacked. The other walrus (unsexed) was just under 2 years old (243 cm long, estimated weight 270 kg). A blood trail indicated that it had been captured beside or in a 60 cm wide channel that went around the circumference of a 25 to 30 m diameter grounded iceberg. Examination showed that both walruses had large numbers of sharp deep punctures about their heads which could only have been made by bear claws, suggesting that they may have been killed by multiple blows. Soper (1928) quotes a report by Hantzch of a large bear in the vicinity of Kikerten Islands, Cumberland Gulf, attacking three walruses and killing a large male which it tore extensively about the head. Akpaleeapik, a Grise Fiord Eskimo, also informed us of a walrus that a polar bear killed with a blow in the head as it surfaced to breathe through a hole in the ice. On 29 April 1976 Mr. Tai-Ho of Klondike Helicopters tracked a polar bear to a walrus that he estimated to be less than 3 m long with tusks 20 to 25 cm long. Tracks and blood in the snow around the walrus's breathing hole (1 to 1.5 m diameter) indicated a fight had taken place very recently. The walrus was covered with blood and one tusk was broken. Despite a careful search, no bear tracks leading away from the site were found, suggesting that the bear may have been killed and sunk in the water. Freuchen (1935) reported finding a polar bear that had been killed by a walrus, and Perry (1966) summarizes similar observations from the journals of early arctic explorers. Although predation by bears is likely not of any significance to the walrus population as a whole (Mansfield, 1958; Loughrey, 1959) such encounters may be more frequent than previously seemed apparent. H. P. L. Kiliaan and Ian Stirling, Observations on Overwintering Walruses in the Eastern Canadian High Arctic. Journal of Mammalogy Vol. 59, No. 1 (Feb., 1978), pp. 197-200. Sometimes, polar bears are killed in confrontations with walruses: The polar bear and walrus, traditional rivals, occasionally come in contact while feeding on whale carcasses or while killing seals. If a walrus is in the water, a polar bear will not enter. The walrus is the only polar animal that the bear really fears. Reaching fifteen feet in length and weighing as much as one and a half tons, the walrus is more than a formidable adversary. If the two animals encounter each other on land, the polar bear will have an edge. When they meet each other in the water, the walrus has been known to grab the polar bear from below and, using his ivory tusks, which often grow more than thirty inches in length, to stab the bear in the back, driving the tusks to the hilt. The carcasses of polar bears and walruses have been found coupled in this manner. Koch, T.J. 1975 The Year of the Polar Bear p. 81.
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Post by Polar on May 15, 2017 18:35:26 GMT -5
An episode from Animal Face-Off (Polar Bear vs Walrus) shows the situation described in post #5, where the walrus stabbed the bear in the back with its tusks, which prevented the bear from being able to climb the ice flow.
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Post by brobear on Sept 14, 2018 15:41:18 GMT -5
At this site ( shaggygod.proboards.com/ ) which is a great site for top-grade information on bears, can be found numerous accounts of polar bears fighting with lions and tigers ( 1800's and early 1900's. Quite often the big cat defeated the polar bear. These fights were completely meaningless. Bears in captivity were poorly fed in contrast to the big cat's all-meat diet. Even in today's zoo's, where bears are well fed, polar bears never reach their full potential. The biggest heaviest polar bears on earth live in the wild. - No lion or tiger could stand up to a full-grown boar polar bear. shaggygod.proboards.com/thread/798/historical-accounts-bears-big-interactions?page=4 "There is one thing about which the public at large seem to be under a wrong impression, and this I should like to correct," added Mr. Permane. "Bears are herbivorous, not carnivorous. They will attack either animal or man only after a somewhat protracted fast. There is, therefore, no necessity for giving bears any meat whatsoever". "Wherever I go," says Mr. Permane, "I am always besieged by a local butcher offering to provide me with the necessary meat and bones for my bears, and when I send him away, telling him that I only give them carrots and bread, he departs with a knowing wink, and probably imagines that i am utterly mistaken as to the food I ought to provide for my four-footed friends." From the evident enjoyment shown by one of the pets in "Do let me have some," we have evidence enough that carrots are considered quite a dainty. "My large bears," Mr. Permane adds, in explanation, "will eat 4lb. of bread and 10lb. of carrots per diem, and I do not believe in limiting their green food on any account. It is a splendid thing for their coats, and I can remenber my four bears eating nearly two sacks full of freshly cut grass in one day."
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 14, 2018 16:37:21 GMT -5
Other species of bears, lions, and tigers dont get sick in captivity, in fact some of them are even healthier than wild animals. So the accounts of these animals in captivity matter. But polar bears in captivity overheat at certain degrees, remember they live in -60 to -70 degrees in the artic cold. Also, they never grow full either. The name says it all,”polar bear”. So the accounts of big cats killiing polar bears in captivity dont count, because even though it does not say it, its a general fact that the polars were very sick. Now take a big cat to the artic and the polar would destroy then 9/10 times. And i would bet my daughters life on that. Here is some proof that polar bears get very sick in captivity.
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Post by tom on Sept 14, 2018 20:48:23 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Sept 15, 2018 2:19:18 GMT -5
Good read Tom. Yes, today's zoo's are so much better than what they once were. When I was a kid, the animals were seen either in small cages or in pits. No zoo can top seal blubber or whale blubber for a hungry polar bear. They are the only animal I know of that grows bigger in the wild than in captivity.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 15, 2018 5:08:25 GMT -5
Absolutely right. The zoos might try, but it will never be the freezing artic. a “polar” bear is just that, a polar bear, they belong in their habitat, especially them.
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Post by Polar on Sept 15, 2018 14:12:55 GMT -5
Other species of bears, lions, and tigers dont get sick in captivity, in fact some of them are even healthier than wild animals. So the accounts of these animals in captivity matter. But polar bears in captivity overheat at certain degrees, remember they live in -60 to -70 degrees in the artic cold. Also, they never grow full either. The name says it all,”polar bear”. So the accounts of big cats killiing polar bears in captivity dont count, because even though it does not say it, its a general fact that the polars were very sick. Now take a big cat to the artic and the polar would destroy then 9/10 times. And i would bet my daughters life on that. Here is some proof that polar bears get very sick in captivity. Most animals in captivity are actually more sick than wild counterparts since, in many zoos around the world, humans just leave them to their devices and don't even feed or take them out at times.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2018 14:20:23 GMT -5
Other species of bears, lions, and tigers dont get sick in captivity, in fact some of them are even healthier than wild animals. So the accounts of these animals in captivity matter. But polar bears in captivity overheat at certain degrees, remember they live in -60 to -70 degrees in the artic cold. Also, they never grow full either. The name says it all,”polar bear”. So the accounts of big cats killiing polar bears in captivity dont count, because even though it does not say it, its a general fact that the polars were very sick. Now take a big cat to the artic and the polar would destroy then 9/10 times. And i would bet my daughters life on that. Here is some proof that polar bears get very sick in captivity. Most animals in captivity are actually more sick than wild counterparts since, in many zoos around the world, humans just leave them to their devices and don't even feed or take them out at times. Who do you think would win if a tiger took on a polar bear in the artic?
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Post by Polar on Sept 15, 2018 14:21:45 GMT -5
Full grown male polar bear would make short work of a full grown male tiger.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 15, 2018 14:32:14 GMT -5
In the artic, polar bear is the king. Polar bear kills the largest tiger you can find 9/10 times, i put my life on the line. Tiger stands no chance.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 15, 2018 17:44:02 GMT -5
Brobear....somewhere around here, i forgot which thread, you said that in That Shaggyboard site there are some accounts of polar bears vs big cats, did you see any account of a polar bear beating a tiger? Thing is we have none. I really would love to find one. The only account we have of a polar bear killing a big cat is this one. “Velox” the polar bear kills 2 african lions while with Ringling Bros circus. circusnospin.blogspot.com/2012/05/velox-polar-bear-that-killed-two-lions.html?m=1
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Post by brobear on Sept 16, 2018 3:05:05 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 16, 2018 4:23:14 GMT -5
We agree there 100%. Like i have been saying, i dont count Polar bear accounts in captivity, UNLESS the polar bear won. Big cat fans ask why? How convenient huh? You count when it wins, but not when it loses. Well thats because as we all know here, and you dont have to be an expert, its common sense, polar bears dont do good at all in captivity, they overheat, never grow full, and start going crazy, the name says it all “Polar” bear. And even with all that, “Velox” which was a female, managed to kill 2 african lions, and being sick and all. So that one counts, but not the accounts of polar bears losing, because even though the accounts might not say it, its a GENERAL FACT, that the polars were underweight, not taller than a man as the pics show, sick, and crazy.
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Post by brobear on Sept 16, 2018 5:01:15 GMT -5
There is even an account of a sloth bear killing a polar bear. A healthy wild polar bear could kill a sloth bear with hardly more than a thump.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 16, 2018 5:18:08 GMT -5
Yes correct! There is even a god damn account of a sloth killing a polar! That there tells you everything. Now, with all the other bear species, if anyone shows me accounts of big cats winning, i will accept them. But see? There are none, only of brown bears winning, see the difference.
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