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Post by brobear on Sept 16, 2018 5:54:40 GMT -5
Yes correct! There is even a god damn account of a sloth killing a polar! That there tells you everything. Now, with all the other bear species, if anyone shows me accounts of big cats winning, i will accept them. But see? There are none, only of brown bears winning, see the difference. I would like to learn more about the lion 'Baltimore' if there ever actually was such a lion. I believe that the best way to prove you are right is to try to prove yourself wrong. If there are any reliable accounts of any big cat killing a healthy full-grown boar grizzly, I want to find it.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 16, 2018 6:15:57 GMT -5
Here is a very rare account, dont know if anyone here has seen it. Its one of the only 2 accounts that exist of polar bears winning in captivity. The other one is Velox of course. 2 polar bears kill a brown bear in a Hamburg zoo.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 16, 2018 19:47:24 GMT -5
Ill tell you guys this, if we take a full grown 600 lb siberian tiger to the artic, and that tiger has the bad luck to cross paths with a full grown adult male polar bear, than that tiger will end up in a pool of blood, like this here, and you can bet your life on that. This is the Domain of the bears.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 16, 2018 21:09:02 GMT -5
Thats right buddy, the creators of this site should win a trophy, best forum in history. This is the Domain of the bears baby! Not the domain of the striped kitty cats, ha ha ha.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 21:17:29 GMT -5
Thats right buddy, the creators of this site should win a trophy, best forum in history. This is the Domain of the bears baby! Not the domain of the striped kitty cats, ha ha ha. Yeah Im happy that there is a site for bears. I think big cats already get too much exposure as it is. This is the best site to me because it's exclusively just about bears which is just perfect if you ask me.
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Post by brobear on Sept 17, 2018 3:02:30 GMT -5
Consider this; Roughly 200,000 years ago some grizzlies roamed far to the North; conquered this extreme environment and taught themselves how to hunt aquatic life on the ice flows. This was an astonishing achievement. No lion or tiger can top this.
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Post by tom on Sept 19, 2018 17:44:51 GMT -5
Is it true that a Polar bear is the only species of bear that have been known to stalk humans as prey? I thought I read somewhere (don't remember) where Polar bears in the arctic have been known to do that?
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Post by brobear on Sept 19, 2018 17:58:59 GMT -5
Not very often these days. Even in the far North, the land of ice and sea, bears have learned how deadly humans can be. A hundred years ago, a polar bear would walk right up and grab a person sitting next to a fire. They were big, bold, and fierce.
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Post by tom on Sept 19, 2018 18:30:50 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 8:47:17 GMT -5
A polar bear vs a bull walrus with be in incredible fight. Anyone can win. There's a video on youtube of a polar bear killing a walrus but I don't think it's a bull walrus in the video.
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Post by tom on Sept 24, 2018 16:10:11 GMT -5
Yes, the title says Bull walrus but you can plainly see it's not a fully grown bull. Still, an incredible show of strength by the Bear to drag this likely one ton Walrus up onto the ice.
A fully grown Bull Walrus would be a formidable foe for any Polar Bear. I've seen other videos where the Walrus has driven it's tusks into the Bear and inflicted lethal damage. The Bear later died as a result. In the water the Bear is at even a greater disadvantage with almost no chance of winning.
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Post by brobear on Sept 24, 2018 16:51:03 GMT -5
There is only one event of a polar bear killing a bull walrus ever caught on camera; unless I missed something within the last four or five years. However, how often is there some guy standing there when a polar bear goes after walrus? The arctic does not have heavy traffic. That on time was filmed by a Russian biologist. Thumbs up for him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 18:09:20 GMT -5
Yes, the title says Bull walrus but you can plainly see it's not a fully grown bull. Still, an incredible show of strength by the Bear to drag this likely one ton Walrus up onto the ice. A fully grown Bull Walrus would be a formidable foe for any Polar Bear. I've seen other videos where the Walrus has driven it's tusks into the Bear and inflicted lethal damage. The Bear later died as a result. In the water the Bear is at even a greater disadvantage with almost no chance of winning. Took the words right out or my mouth. I don't think I could have said it any better. I agree you can definitely tell that the walrus is not a bull male. but it's a nice feat nontheless. So you said you seen a video where a walrus killed a polar bear huh? Was the polar bear a adult male or female that got killed?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 18:11:18 GMT -5
There is only one event of a polar bear killing a bull walrus ever caught on camera; unless I missed something within the last four or five years. However, how often is there some guy standing there when a polar bear goes after walrus? The arctic does not have heavy traffic. That on time was filmed by a Russian biologist. Thumbs up for him. Exactly. When polar bears go for the kill there are usually never anyone around so it will be hard for it to be captured on film.
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Post by tom on Sept 24, 2018 19:37:18 GMT -5
Yes, the title says Bull walrus but you can plainly see it's not a fully grown bull. Still, an incredible show of strength by the Bear to drag this likely one ton Walrus up onto the ice. A fully grown Bull Walrus would be a formidable foe for any Polar Bear. I've seen other videos where the Walrus has driven it's tusks into the Bear and inflicted lethal damage. The Bear later died as a result. In the water the Bear is at even a greater disadvantage with almost no chance of winning. Took the words right out or my mouth. I don't think I could have said it any better. I agree you can definitely tell that the walrus is not a bull male. but it's a nice feat nontheless. So you said you seen a video where a walrus killed a polar bear huh? Was the polar bear a adult male or female that got killed? It was an adult male. The actual footage of the bear being lethally injured was never caught on camera. What was caught was a bear barely able to walk and eventually die as a result of being tusked. The other thing I thought interesting was the tusks of one Walrus are incapable of penetrating another Walrus's hide. They can leave marks but won't penetrate. Bears have an equally hard time penetrating that thick hide. This is the video I was referring to. Towards the end the bear is mortally wounded.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 22, 2018 21:29:05 GMT -5
Chart of seals killed by polar bears. They average 1 adult per month.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 2:53:39 GMT -5
Polar bears unlike brown bears do not grow large in captivity. Even in captivity, velox manages to kill two lions. A large or average male polar bear would beat any siberian tiger or bengal tiger or sloth bear one on one. Btw kodiak, this is the first account I have read about polar bears actually killing a brown bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 16, 2018 4:21:37 GMT -5
Polar bears unlike brown bears do not grow large in captivity. Even in captivity, velox manages to kill two lions. A large or average male polar bear would beat any siberian tiger or bengal tiger or sloth bear one on one. Btw kodiak, this is the first account I have read about polar bears actually killing a brown bear. Thats correct, not only do polars never grown full in captivity, but they overheat and get very sick, unlike all the other bear species, lions, or tigers. This is well documented. No lion, tiger, or sloth bear stand much of a chance if the fight was in the artic where the polar is full grown, healthy and its the king. Velox was a female polar, another thing to consider. Yeah that is the only account there is of 2 polars that killed a brown bear, but it was 2 vs 1. The other account of a polar winning is Velox. And those are the only 2 accounts of polars winning in captivity. I have searched far and wide.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 6:43:11 GMT -5
Personally, I have always believed that a polar bear can kill ungulates like musk oxens, aurochs, cape buffalos, gaurs, and bisons more easily than walrus, belugas, and narwhales. Even though ungulates thee ungulates mentioned are powerful and have hide, their hide is no where near as thick as that of a walrus or small whales and dolphins.In addition to that the walrus and small whales have literally no neck coupled with thick blubber and hide making it hard to pierce their jagular vains, vital arteries, or vital organs. What do you guys think?
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Post by brobear on Dec 21, 2018 7:05:21 GMT -5
Polar bears do quite well it seems hunting seals and walrus. Even larger than a walrus, a polar bear is willing to tackle a beluga whale, as you hinted at. The further south a polar bear roams, the more contact he is likely to have with grizzlies. Also, a warmer climate, even in the arctic tundra where musk ox dwell. The warmer the temperatures, the less active a polar bear can afford to be. Even in the high arctic where he hunts seals, the polar bear must guard against over-heating. I have no doubts that a polar bear could kill a musk ox ( from 700 to 900 pounds ). Barren ground grizzlies sometimes prey upon them. But, if the polar bear were to venture far-enough south to hunt bison, things would change. In a struggle with an 1800 pound bull bison, the polar bear would likely over-heat and become too exhausted to survive the conflict. He could possibly survive by scavenging and perhaps killing an occasional bison calf. If he ( or she ) did survive, he would likely then be breeding with grizzlies. *Note - Just my opinions.
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