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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Sept 21, 2022 17:37:07 GMT -5
So was the lion technically.
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Sept 21, 2022 17:38:23 GMT -5
But it doesn't matter. This most likely didn't even happen. Science and actually confirmed statements and accounts from reliable sources prove the bear wins more often than not.
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Post by brobear on Sept 21, 2022 18:31:26 GMT -5
Quote: So was the lion technically. But it doesn't matter. This most likely didn't even happen. Science and actually confirmed statements and accounts from reliable sources prove the bear wins more often than not. *Those old newspaper stories really don't carry any weight at all. I'm looking for more recent events. *Question: Anyone know anything about the history of Gir National Park? Was this location purposely chosen because it is free from tigers and bears? www.indiawildliferesorts.com/national-parks/gir-national-park.html
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Nov 8, 2022 17:39:14 GMT -5
Does anyone have any info about the lion killing the 900 lb Russian bear that was supposedly sick? I think they are entirely different accounts with the bear being a big cinnamon bear specimen, but not actually 900 lbs. (Talking about the newspaper where the lion actually kills the bear and the newspaper talking about how the bear was sick and its size)
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 9, 2022 7:55:36 GMT -5
/\ A cinnamon bear is an American black bear subspecies. 900 pounds must be an extremely large male American black bear in my opinion although the only black bears that can reach that level are extremely rare.
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Post by brobear on Nov 9, 2022 8:41:00 GMT -5
/\ A cinnamon bear is an American black bear subspecies. 900 pounds must be an extremely large male American black bear in my opinion although the only black bears that can reach that level are extremely rare. The heaviest black bear reliably weighed was an 880-pound 10-year-old male killed in Craven County, North Carolina, in November 1998.
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Nov 9, 2022 9:53:41 GMT -5
I'm asking something else entirely. I'm saying the cinnamon bear and the bear that was said to be 900 lbs are entirely different bears since the newspapers that talked about the lion killing the bear did not mention the bear being 900 lbs.
....you get that?
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 9, 2022 14:37:13 GMT -5
/\ Unfortunately I have not seen the account. Maybe someone else has.
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Post by Granolah on Nov 12, 2022 8:36:40 GMT -5
I'm asking something else entirely. I'm saying the cinnamon bear and the bear that was said to be 900 lbs are entirely different bears since the newspapers that talked about the lion killing the bear did not mention the bear being 900 lbs. ....you get that? “The big crowd enjoyed the different amusements offered, but had they remained a while longer they would have witnessed something that was not on the regular programme a fight between the giant lion Nero and a big black Carpathian bear. weighing about 950 pounds”
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Post by brobear on Nov 12, 2022 8:50:19 GMT -5
Field and Stream:
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Post by brobear on Nov 12, 2022 8:56:33 GMT -5
In captivity; especially back in the 19th and earl-to-mid 20th centuries, big cats were fed better than bears: shaggygod.proboards.com/thread/798/historical-accounts-bears-big-interactions?page=2 "...The marquee attractions of Victorian circuses, felines commanded the lion's share of top-quality food. The menu du jour of Alexander Fairgrieve's famous traveling menagerie offers some sense of the pecking order among the various animals. Elephants had to content themselves with "hay, cabbages, bread and boiled rice, sweetened with sugar" while the big cats feasted on "shins, hearts, and heads of bullocks." So much meat did the lions and tigers of the great circuses consume, in fact, that their fellow carnivores the bears were forced to await the onset of "very cold weather" before they were similarly provisioned. Until such time, they subsisted on bread, sopped biscuits, and boiled rice. To be an ursine understudy to feline stars was a sad fate, indeed. Should you wish to express dietary soliditary with the dancing bears of Victorian circuses, this recipe for boiled rice with cheese, which appears in The Helping Hand Cook Book (1912), will have you looking forward to winter's chill..." "There are currently about 1,000 polar bears held captive in zoos around the world. Most of them are held in hard, biologically deficient exhibits that are a key factor in their physical and mental deterioration. A wide range of problems, including aberrant behaviours like repetitive pacing and swimming, poor cardiovascular health and lack of muscle mass, are more or less ubiquitous in captive polar bears. A significant number of captive polar bears are held in temperate and tropical zoos where they experience chronic heat stress, climate induced hair loss and other conditions. The world population of captive polar bears is unhealthy and compromised."
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Nov 12, 2022 13:13:12 GMT -5
I'm asking something else entirely. I'm saying the cinnamon bear and the bear that was said to be 900 lbs are entirely different bears since the newspapers that talked about the lion killing the bear did not mention the bear being 900 lbs. ....you get that? “The big crowd enjoyed the different amusements offered, but had they remained a while longer they would have witnessed something that was not on the regular programme a fight between the giant lion Nero and a big black Carpathian bear. weighing about 950 pounds” Not that one.
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Post by Granolah on Nov 15, 2022 11:43:07 GMT -5
Oh, you’re referring to the bear that was supposed injured before fighting the lion.
5 years ago Bostock had a valuable 900 russian brown bear (back grizzly). Two months before the bear was killed, a giant wrestling bear was mentioned in Bostock's. A month before this incident took place, a description of Bostock's act is given in Coney island. Rinaldo's lion act is mentioned, and a wresting Russian bear is mentioned. A few weeks before the incident, a Russian bear is undergoing treatments for Rheumatism in the muscles and joints. It also said that bostock had the bear for several years, maybe referring to the 1903 newspaper. This may be the same bear.
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Nov 15, 2022 12:30:46 GMT -5
I don't think it is the same bear to be honest.
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Post by Granolah on Nov 15, 2022 15:53:56 GMT -5
We don’t know.
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Nov 15, 2022 16:42:00 GMT -5
Use common sense, one paw strike...lions killing 900 lb bears...how does this make sense even? This is all just fiction.
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Post by brobear on Nov 15, 2022 23:27:00 GMT -5
Use common sense, one paw strike...lions killing 900 lb bears...how does this make sense even? This is all just fiction. Yes; that old story was printed for sensationalism in old newspapers. Pure fiction.
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Post by Granolah on Jan 5, 2023 16:25:07 GMT -5
I originally posted this at Pablo’s forum. Here’s my take on Brutus the lion vs the polar bear. Something I found on my own. “Polar Bear Trafficking That same article reported two polar bears, indented for the zoo, arrived the previous day in Boston. They arrived, in the company of four Eurasian brown bears, on the steamer Bulgaria from Hamburg, Germany. Hamburg was the base of operations of the Hagenbecks, a family of animal traders that gathered animals captured from all over the world and sold them to zoos, circuses, and traveling animal shows. One member of the family, Carl Hagenbeck Jr., was also known for exhibiting indigenous people from Africa, the Arctic, and the Pacific Islands in his zoo (see Rothfels, Savages and Beasts). “ redirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=7226874&u=https%3A//ibb.co/wNnBGrHNotice how Hagenback’s bears are all small. Now read this… “Some of the polar bears abducted by the Hagenbecks faced a fate worse than zoo captivity. These seven polar bears were forced to become performers by Carl's relative Wilhelm Hagenbeck. The photo is from an English translation of Carl Hagenbeck's memoir, digitized by the BPL and available at redirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=7226874&u=https%3A//archive.org/details/beastsmenbeingca00hage/page/n7/mode/2u%25E2%2580%259Credirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=7226874&u=https%3A//www.bpl.org/blogs/post/the-polar-bears-of-franklin-park/So Hagenback’s bears were small and suffered terrible fates and some were forced to perform. This is only some. Funny how the bear killed by Brutus was “killed while performing ” redirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=7226874&u=https%3A//ibb.co/994nMFXredirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=7226874&u=https%3A//ibb.co/C81ZTKqredirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=7226874&u=https%3A//books.google.com/books%3Fid%3D4ZMkAQAAIAAJ%26pg%3DPA302%26dq%3Dhagenbeck+polar+bears+small%26hl%3Den%26newbks%3D1%26newbks_redir%3D0%26source%3Dgb_mobile_search%26ovdme%3D1%26sa%3DX%26ved%3D2ahUKEwjP9cCWpPD7AhXKjLAFHe70CpUQ6AF6BAgFEAM%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dhagenbeck%2520polar%2520bears%2520small%26f%3DfalseThat’s seventy five adult polar bears, and they are all small. These are all of his bears. redirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=7226874&u=https%3A//books.google.com/books%3Fid%3D_V3VXsi3UccC%26pg%3DPA95%26dq%3Dhagenbeck+polar+bears+small%26hl%3Den%26newbks%3D1%26newbks_redir%3D0%26source%3Dgb_mobile_search%26ovdme%3D1%26sa%3DX%26ved%3D2ahUKEwje-r2LpvD7AhVVSzABHSPKBRE4ChDoAXoECAkQAwHere’s an example of how small they were: redirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=7226874&u=https%3A//ibb.co/CQBg2mPredirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=7226874&u=https%3A//ibb.co/92tw5Stredirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=7226874&u=https%3A//ibb.co/xHwKh1Rredirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=7226874&u=https%3A//ibb.co/mHb59q1It would make since why someone would think that”the polar bear was a smal juvenile”. “A lion called Brutus is said to have killed a polar bear in a rapid and savage assault. However, the polar bear was a small juvenile.” redirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=7226874&u=https%3A//nedhardy.com/2020/08/24/polar-bear-vs-grizzly-bear/Could it be true?
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Post by brobear on Jan 5, 2023 16:37:04 GMT -5
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Post by BJA on Apr 13, 2023 15:19:09 GMT -5
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