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Post by Granolah on Aug 25, 2022 20:04:19 GMT -5
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Post by arctozilla on Aug 26, 2022 2:30:30 GMT -5
And was there ever an account of a bear killing a good sized male lion? If so please show it. Sorry for all the questions, I'm a bit conflicted on this debate. Check bear killing or defeating lions of Bear and Gorilla realm. There's one account of a polar bear killing Dean, a big forest lion and one of grizzly beating down a man eating male lion named Parnell. And a lion named Leo lost a fight against a bear Bruno.
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Aug 26, 2022 7:43:02 GMT -5
Thank you! And a lion has only killed a sick kind of obese Russian bear? Hah! This debate has been settled in my mind. Bears win. Now for tigers, let me go to the tiger killing bear analysis.
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Aug 27, 2022 14:25:50 GMT -5
Actually I don't know about this anymore. I saw this and I'm starting to sway towards the lion.
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Post by Granolah on Aug 27, 2022 19:54:03 GMT -5
This is not even a brown bear. That was a literal obese and fat Carthapian black bear that weighed 950 pounds. “The big crowd enjoyed the different amusements offered, but had they remained a while longer they would have witnessed something that was not on the regular programme a fight between the giant lion Nero and a big black Carpathian bear. weighing about 950 pounds” ORC of www.newspapers.com/newspage/138246807
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Post by brobear on Aug 28, 2022 1:52:24 GMT -5
First thing we must all keep in mind, as I have so often stated, no story taken from newspapers dating from the 19th century or early to mid 20th century can be accepted as factual. Some of those tales are probably true, most are grossly exaggerated, and some are from the writers imagination. Those old newspapers relied heavily on sensationalism to compete with other newspapers and sell their papers. Exciting tales sold newspapers. Also note, there are no Carpathian black bears.
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Post by arctozilla on Aug 28, 2022 2:17:22 GMT -5
Yes there's no such thing like Carthapian black bear. Carthapian are European mountains, and only bear native to Europe is the brown bear.
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Aug 28, 2022 5:15:02 GMT -5
So fiction account? Nice. Alright back on track with my opinion on this fight now.
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Aug 28, 2022 5:48:04 GMT -5
The site given above by Montezuma brings me to: Amur Tiger by David Prynn. He is actually not giving the wrong link. Micheal P is actually an amur tiger in disguise.
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Post by brobear on Aug 28, 2022 6:03:08 GMT -5
So fiction account? Nice. Alright back on track with my opinion on this fight now. I never said that this story is fiction. I'm simply saying that it cannot be verified as factual. Maybe true, maybe exaggerated, and possibly a yarn.
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Post by brobear on Aug 28, 2022 6:06:49 GMT -5
Actually I don't know about this anymore. I saw this and I'm starting to sway towards the lion. View AttachmentSeriously, no lion or tiger is going to break the spine of a full-grown male Carpathian brown bear with a paw-swipe. Story signed by "an Australian workman" (Sydney, Australia - Saturday, April 6, 1895, p.4)
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Aug 28, 2022 6:28:11 GMT -5
I say fiction, fully fiction. Like how is a lion supposed to lose to a bear if it can kill it in 1 paw swipe yet we have many accounts of bears killing lions?
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Post by arctozilla on Aug 28, 2022 9:11:47 GMT -5
Actually I don't know about this anymore. I saw this and I'm starting to sway towards the lion. View AttachmentSeriously, no lion or tiger is going to break the spine of a full-grown male Carpathian brown bear with a paw-swipe. Story signed by "an Australian workman" (Sydney, Australia - Saturday, April 6, 1895, p.4) So that means that the account is unconfirmed. It wasn't reported, it was just told and written by an Australian workman.
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Aug 28, 2022 9:40:57 GMT -5
Why do accounts always have to be so vague? God.
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Aug 28, 2022 9:42:47 GMT -5
Also the one where the lion "outslugs" the bear and kills it instantly...was that a black bear or a brown bear? Any confirmation?
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Post by brobear on Aug 28, 2022 9:46:30 GMT -5
Seriously, no lion or tiger is going to break the spine of a full-grown male Carpathian brown bear with a paw-swipe. Story signed by "an Australian workman" (Sydney, Australia - Saturday, April 6, 1895, p.4) So that means that the account is unconfirmed. It wasn't reported, it was just told and written by an Australian workman. Most (nearly all) animal fights in captivity come from those old newspapers. A perfect example is the Parnell the African lion vs Ramadam the California grizzly fight which was scheduled to be fought in California, but because of the new "animal cruelty" laws, was instead fought in Mexico. Before this fight took place, there was a lot of publicity. I believe that the story told in the book, "California Grizzly" and which also hangs on the wall of the California capital building (an original clipping), is the true story. However, what I believe doesn't matter. Dozens (possibly hundreds) of newspapers around the country each printed their own elaborated version of the fight, producing multiple endings. Common sense; a fight can only have one ending and one winner.
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Aug 28, 2022 10:25:30 GMT -5
you fool! You idiot! Parnell actually killed OVER 9000 kodiak bears! -some random newspaper somewhere
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Post by Granolah on Aug 28, 2022 11:46:55 GMT -5
Yes there's no such thing like Carthapian black bear. Carthapian are European mountains, and only bear native to Europe is the brown bear. You’re right. Maybe it was a huge European brown bear that was black?
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Aug 28, 2022 11:54:43 GMT -5
Or maybe the person who wrote it was colorblind?
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Post by Granolah on Aug 28, 2022 17:14:33 GMT -5
Maybe.
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