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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 3:49:09 GMT -5
I agree the spanish fighting bulls are one tough SOB. Lifting that vehicle's front end off the ground with ease shows how powerful they are. He just seems like he's really Pissed off. All solid muscle and IMO would be one tough out for even a 1000lb Bear. In fact those horns are situated as such that goring the Bear would be a high probability and potentially lethal unless the Bear could control the head. According to the book, 'California Grizzly' ( how true those tales are questionable ), the grizzly always did exactly that. He would control the bull's head, sometimes by grabbing it's tongue. Key element is to avoid direct contact with charging bull, if bears freezes and bull is able to hit it head on while running, bear is most likely severely injured right away. 1000 lbs bear is nothing for a bull if it gets it´s horns digged in the body of a bear, it can lift the bear off the ground like nothing if it happens and throw it away. If bear can dodge the bull and then grab it in some way, while not running, then the bear has means to get the upper hand. It can just stay side by side the bull and maul it´s flanks and bite neck and spine as can be seen in some video clips, in which bears are attacking cows and bulls. And when bull starts to be afraid and try to flee, bear can slow it down while mauling it more and more. It´s brutal, but bears are what they are.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 5:41:13 GMT -5
For some reason this video is with headline "bear attack to cow", but that´s a bull. This is brutal video to watch, but gives one example how bear does mauling with a lot heavier animal, that it is itself.
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Post by brobear on Sept 11, 2021 6:33:07 GMT -5
shaggygod.proboards.com/thread/653/brown-bear-predator Bears typically kill using brute force and do not seem to exhibit any stereotyped killing postures or behaviours as seen in canids and felids (R. Boertje, pers. comm.; J. Hechtel, pers. comm.). Polar bears and brown bears have been observed to attack their prey both with bites and crushing forepaw slaps, apparently to whatever region of the prey’s body is accessible (Murie, 1985; Boertje et al., 1988; Case & Stevenson, 1991; M. Ramsay, pers. comm; J. Hechtel, pers. comm.). Sacco, T. and Van Valkenburgh, B. (2004), Ecomorphological indicators of feeding behaviour in the bears (Carnivora: Ursidae). Journal of Zoology, 263: 41–54. Good find Shadow. Clearly, a bear lacks the "killing finesse" of a big cat. He must wrestle his opponent and depends largely on weight and brute strength. It appears on the video that the bear began with controlling the bull's head. A bear most often kills with a bite to the back of the spine.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Sept 11, 2021 7:21:08 GMT -5
The Shaggy Bear forum might be dead but it is not to be forgotten.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 7, 2021 1:44:28 GMT -5
Stan the polar bear is probably one of the few extant bears that can fight and kill male bovines more often than not (if the weight difference is not too great).
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Post by brobear on Nov 7, 2021 2:51:52 GMT -5
Stan the polar bear is probably one of the few extant bears that can fight and kill male bovines more often than not (if the weight difference is not too great). I would wager on a 1,000-pound ( or more ) brown bear against a normal-sized bull bovine of any species in no less than 50% of such clashes ( IMO ). But, this is getting us off topic.
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Post by brobear on Nov 7, 2021 3:02:11 GMT -5
*Note: by ( topic ) "Biggest of it's Kind" I am referring to species, not individual animals. Example ( again ) Saltwater crocodile compared to Nile crocodile. These are not individual animals, they are two different species of crocodile.
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Post by brobear on Apr 24, 2022 4:43:04 GMT -5
The Shaggy Bear forum might be dead but it is not to be forgotten. I have noticed that numerous posts and pictures are "disintegrating" - gone forever.
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Post by brobear on Apr 27, 2022 2:44:31 GMT -5
Who Can Defeat a 1,000 Pound Male Brown Bear? *Note: Land-based Vertebrata only in this contest. Also, poisonous reptiles excluded. All full-grown male. Divided into species: *These animals ( IMO ) could defeat a 1,000 pound brown bear 10 out of 10. 1- African bush elephant. 2- African forest elephant. 3- Asian elephant. 4- white rhinoceros. 5- black rhinoceros. 6- Indian rhinoceros. 7- Javan rhinoceros. 8- hippopotamus. 9- northern elephant seal. 10- southern elephant seal. *These animals stand a 50/50 chance ( IMO ) against a 1,000 pound brown bear. 1- Walrus. 2- Giraffe. 3- Gaur / Banteng / Yak / Cape Buffalo / Water Buffalo / Bison / Spanish Fighting Bull. 4- Polar bear. 5- 1,000+ pound crocodile. 6- Bull Moose. 7- Stallion horse ( king of a herd ). 8- Giant Eland.
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Post by brobear on Apr 27, 2022 3:57:12 GMT -5
*About Reply #168... While a brown bear could not likely kill an elephant seal, I consider it highly unlikely that an elephant seal could kill the bear. A brown bear could easily ( IMO ) avoid the ponderous seal's attacks. Nevertheless, I believe that the hungry bear would walk away defeated. As for the giraffe, I placed him is the 50/50 category, but I remain completely unsure how that confrontation would play out. As for the Sumatran rhinoceros, ( IMO ) a 1,000 pound brown bear would win this fight perhaps 6 or 7 out of 10.
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Post by brobear on Jun 11, 2022 13:53:06 GMT -5
The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced that I'm wrong on a few points. Restart: *These animals ( IMO ) could defeat a 1,000 pound brown bear 10 out of 10: 1- African bush elephant. 2- African forest elephant. 3- Asian elephant. 4- white rhinoceros. 5- black rhinoceros. 6- Indian rhinoceros. 7- Javan rhinoceros. 8- hippopotamus. *These animals stand a 50/50 chance ( IMO ) against a 1,000 pound brown bear. 1- Gaur / Yak / Cape Buffalo / Water Buffalo / Bison / maybe some other wild bovine / Spanish Fighting Bull. 2- Polar bear. ( average size which for a full-grown male - 9+ years old ) would be roughly 1200 pounds. 3- 1,000+ pound crocodile. 4- Bull Moose. 5- Stallion feral horse ( king of a herd ). 6- Giant Eland. 7- northern elephant seal. 8- southern elephant seal. *Note: A bull elephant seal is too big, slow, and awkward to kill the bear, but he is too big and powerful for the bear to kill. A standoff.
*Note: This topic is with a 1,000 pound brown bear. ( An average polar bear would have the advantage over an average brown bear ). *Note: I have seen one fight (video) between a big male polar bear and a bull walrus. The bear killed the walrus. Therefore, I believe that a 1,000 pound brown bear would defeat a bull walrus more often than not. Also remember that this battle takes place on land. *Unknown conclusion: 1- Giraffe.
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Post by brobear on Feb 13, 2023 2:36:26 GMT -5
Improved and revised version of Kodiak Bear vs Sumatran Rhinoceros
The biggest brown bear vs the world's smallest rhinoceros species. Battle of the century. I will add the Sumatran Rhinoceros to my 50/50 list.
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Post by brobear on Feb 13, 2023 2:39:49 GMT -5
*These animals ( IMO ) could defeat a 1,000 pound brown bear 10 out of 10: 1- African bush elephant. 2- African forest elephant. 3- Asian elephant. 4- White rhinoceros. 5- Black rhinoceros. 6- Indian rhinoceros. 7- Javan rhinoceros. 8- Hippopotamus.
*These animals stand a 50/50 chance ( IMO ) against a 1,000 pound brown bear.
1- Gaur / Yak / Cape Buffalo / Water Buffalo / Bison / maybe some other wild bovine / Spanish Fighting Bull. 2- Polar bear. ( average size which for a full-grown male - 9+ years old ) would be roughly 1200 pounds. 3- 1,000+ pound crocodile. 4- Bull Moose. 5- Stallion feral horse ( king of a herd ). 6- Giant Eland. 7- Bull walrus. 8- Northern elephant seal. 9- Southern elephant seal. 10- Sumatran Rhinoceros. *Note: A bull elephant seal is too big, slow, and awkward to kill the bear, but he is too big and powerful for the bear to kill. A standoff.
*Note: This topic is with a 1,000 pound brown bear. ( An average polar bear would have the advantage over an average brown bear ). *Unknown conclusion/undecided opinion: 1- Giraffe.
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Post by brobear on Feb 13, 2023 2:50:14 GMT -5
I am curious, and clueless, as to how well a camel can defend himself against a large predator. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dromedary en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactrian_camel Dromedary - It is the tallest of the three species of camel; adult males stand 1.8–2.4 m (5 ft 11 in – 7 ft 10 in) at the shoulder, while females are 1.7–1.9 m (5 ft 7 in – 6 ft 3 in) tall. Males typically weigh between 400 and 690 kg (880 and 1,520 lb), and females weigh between 300 and 540 kg (660 and 1,190 lb). Bactrian - The Bactrian camel is the largest mammal in its native range and is the largest living camel while being shorter at the shoulder than the dromedary. Shoulder height is from 160 to 180 cm (5.2 to 5.9 ft) with the overall height ranging from 230 to 250 cm (7.5 to 8.2 ft), head-and-body length is 225–350 cm (7.38–11.48 ft), and the tail length is 35–55 cm (14–22 in). At the top of the humps, the average height is 213 cm (6.99 ft). Body mass can range from 300 to 1,000 kg (660 to 2,200 lb), with males weighing around 600 kg, and females around 480 kg.
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Post by brobear on Feb 13, 2023 2:50:55 GMT -5
Dromedary camel.
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Post by brobear on Feb 13, 2023 2:51:38 GMT -5
Bactrian camel.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2023 10:42:50 GMT -5
What about who can beat a 1650lbs bear?:
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 15, 2023 0:57:22 GMT -5
What about who can beat a 1650lbs bear?: 1)Stan the exceptionally large male polar bear and any male polar bear that outweighs that brown bear by at least 100 pounds or more. 2) A 2200 pound Croc boss. 3)African elephant. 4)White rhino. 5)Black rhino. 6)Bull elephant seal. 7)Great white shark. 8)Asian elephant tusker. 9)African hippopotamus. 10) King cobra (if it gets a good bite).
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Post by brobear on May 15, 2023 1:49:36 GMT -5
I settled on 1,000 pounds, half a ton, because that is a typical size for a full-grown male coastal brown bear.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on May 15, 2023 2:06:42 GMT -5
I settled on 1,000 pounds, half a ton, because that is a typical size for a full-grown male coastal brown bear. 1200 pounds is max for a Peninsula Alaskan brown bear. 900 pounds at average, and Van is an exceptionally large 1540 pound specimen. 1000 pounds includes all coastal male brown bears on average including the Kamkatcha brown bear and Kodiak bear.
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