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Post by brobear on Oct 28, 2019 5:19:45 GMT -5
Out lists will not match perfectly, but for the most part we agree.  |
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 12, 2019 5:55:12 GMT -5
50% or more in face to face battle.
elephant-100%
rhino-100%
hippo-100%
Elephant seal-100%
Giraffe-80%
Bull walrus-70%
Gaur-50%
American bison-50%
European bison-50%
Belgian blue bull-50%
water buffalo-50%
Cape buffalo-50%
Banteng-50%
Yak-50%
Moose-50%
Horse-50%
Saltwater croc on land-50%, on water 100%.
Spanish fighting bull-50%***
***Spanish fighting bulls are probably the most aggressive cattle in the world, they were breed specifically for fighting, so even though the California grizzly defeated the Spanish bull more often than not in the California pit fights, it was very close and i would still think its 50%. Those were the most brutal fights in history, the bodies were completely mutilated. So why do i give the gaur 70% of chances of winning and the Spanish bull 50%? Simply because the gaur can reach weights of 3300 lbs, while the Spanish fighting bull only reaches about 1500 lbs, so even though the gaur is much less aggressive, it can be more than double the weight of a Spanish bull.
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Post by brobear on Nov 12, 2019 6:10:16 GMT -5
My list is similar - for a 1000+ pound grizzly.
elephant ( any species ) - 100%
hippopotamus - 100%
rhinoceros - all except for Sumatran - 100%
giraffe - ( I agree ) - 80%
All large wild bovine bulls ( 1500+ pounds ) - 50%
No domestic bull better than - 50%
Stallion horse ( one with fighting experience ) - 50%
1000+ pound crocodile ( on land ) - 50%
Sumatran rhinoceros - 50%.
Bull walrus - ?
Bull elephant seal - ?
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 12, 2019 6:24:29 GMT -5
/\ I will be adding a lot if this animals to my battle Royale analysis.
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Post by brobear on Aug 18, 2020 8:57:02 GMT -5
My list is updated - for a 1000+ pound brown bear...( face-off - no ambush )
elephant ( any species ) - elephant 100%
hippopotamus - hippo 100%
rhinoceros - all except for Sumatran - rhino 100%
Sumatran rhinoceros - bear 75% - rhino 25%
giraffe - giraffe 90% - bear 10%
All large wild bovine bulls ( 1500+ pounds ) - 50% each... only if bear has experience in killing large ungulates.
Domestic bull - ( depending on breed ) few breeds make 40% - bear no less than 60%
Stallion horse ( one with fighting experience ) - 50% each... again; only if bear has experience in killing large ungulates.
1000+ pound crocodile ( on land ) - 50% ( questionable )
Pygmy hippo - bear 80% - hippo 20%
Bull walrus - ?
Bull elephant seal - seal 100%
Bull moose - moose 60% - bear 40%
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 10:00:08 GMT -5
Big nile crocodile? Big black caiman?
Cape buffalo is probably 50% if it isn't already mentioned.
How many grizzly bears would it take to kill elephant, hippopotamus and rhino with ambush?
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Post by brobear on Aug 18, 2020 10:11:57 GMT -5
Big nile crocodile? Big black caiman? Cape buffalo is probably 50% if it isn't already mentioned. How many grizzly bears would it take to kill elephant, hippopotamus and rhino with ambush? Cape buffalo included in: All large wild bovine bulls. Of course, this post simply reflects personal opinions based on what we know. As for your question, since bears are not group hunters, this is a difficult problem. Bears do not possess the right tools of the trade to attack these huge pachyderms. Aside from this, a bear is too smart to attempt it. |
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Post by King Kodiak on Aug 18, 2020 10:23:20 GMT -5
I see you put a question mark. Dont doubt it brobear, the bull walrus is too large, it will win more than 50% of the time even against the largest of polar bears. I have it at 70% on my list above, reply #62.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 10:32:34 GMT -5
Big nile crocodile? Big black caiman? Cape buffalo is probably 50% if it isn't already mentioned. How many grizzly bears would it take to kill elephant, hippopotamus and rhino with ambush? Cape buffalo included in: All large wild bovine bulls. Of course, this post simply reflects personal opinions based on what we know. As for your question, since bears are not group hunters, this is a difficult problem. Bears do not possess the right tools of the trade to attack these huge pachyderms. Aside from this, a bear is too smart to attempt it. Bears together would just be confused. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 14:44:29 GMT -5
What about animals that COULD defeat grizzly bears, but odds just aren't in its favor?
Zebra?
Pygmy hippo?
Btw the animal still has to have atleast 15% chances.
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Post by King Kodiak on Aug 20, 2020 15:20:34 GMT -5
Well that list would be much longer than the 50% list of course. Zebra yes, Pygmy hippo yes, even lions and tigers would be on my list.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 16:48:42 GMT -5
Lions would have maybe 25% chances
Tiger would have 20% chances
Pygmy hippo would have maybe 40-45% chances like they still have thick hide and deadly bite.
Other animals maybe yak and leopard seal
Nothing else comes to my mind right now.
Btw I think orca would destroy grizzly and false killer whale would win 90% of the time.
How many fighting pitbulls would it take to bring down grizzly bear?
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Post by brobear on Aug 20, 2020 16:57:06 GMT -5
I should have stated; "on dry land" as there are tons of sea creatures which could kill a bear out in deep water. With enough dogs, a grizzly could be killed. Numbers is ( IMO ) the greatest advantage a wild animal can have. Not much can stand against S. American army ants or African driver ants. But what I really have in mind are land-based animals one-on-one. |
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Post by King Kodiak on Aug 20, 2020 18:29:08 GMT -5
You think so mate? An orca would destroy a grizzly? Thanks for that news, i didn't know that.
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Post by tom on Aug 28, 2020 17:21:35 GMT -5
Btw I think orca would destroy grizzly and false killer whale would win 90% of the time. How many fighting pitbulls would it take to bring down grizzly bear? Ha.. Ha. Since this battle would have to take place in the water. A 2000 lb Bear would have (negative ) -100% chance.  I've seen pits take down wild boar or at least hold the boar till the hunter walks up to shoot it. They do a fairly good job of it. But a wild boar ain't no Grizzly. Let's just say it would take quite a few pits to subdue a Grizzly and in that process a bunch of dead dogs are going to be left in the wake. |
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Post by brobear on Aug 29, 2020 3:32:56 GMT -5
To date; we have no confirmed reports of an orca ever attacking a polar bear. Two things to consider; the high arctic is never teaming with camera-happy tourists. Another possibility; it could be that a bear does not look like food to an orca.
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Post by tom on Aug 29, 2020 7:12:02 GMT -5
Correct.Everything I've ever read states Orcas do not prey on Polar Bears or at least consider them food. Interestingly enough there has never been a documented case of a wild Orca ever attacking a human either. Here's an undocumented photo that snopes deems as a fake of a Orca and a black bear.  |
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Aug 29, 2020 8:30:20 GMT -5
/\ While an orca is capable of killing any bear, that photo is honestly photoshopped.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 9:04:22 GMT -5
I honestly believe an orca would IMMEDIATELY recognize a polar bear as the land equivalent of itself! 😊
If anything, they would be buddies out of mutual respect and “ professional courtesy “ 😊
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Post by brobear on Aug 29, 2020 9:09:15 GMT -5
Correct.Everything I've ever read states Orcas do not prey on Polar Bears or at least consider them food. Interestingly enough there has never been a documented case of a wild Orca ever attacking a human either. Here's an undocumented photo that snopes deems as a fake of a Orca and a black bear. Yeah; looks more like a freshwater environment. |
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