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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 6, 2019 16:56:02 GMT -5
As already discussed on page 4 of this thread, there is a rhino that a bear would probably defeat 50% of the time, that is the smallest species of rhino in the world, the Sumatran rhino. this rhino is 1500 lbs on average and is about 8 feet in head to body length. So vs a 1500 lb brown bear it would be a great fight.
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Post by brobear on Mar 6, 2019 17:44:56 GMT -5
As already discussed on page 4 of this thread, there is a rhino that a bear would probably defeat 50% of the time, that is the smallest species of rhino in the world, the Sumatran rhino. this rhino is 1500 lbs on average and is about 8 feet in head to body length. So vs a 1500 lb brown bear it would be a great fight. Big Brown Bear vs Rhinoceros at weight-parity would absolutely be the ultimate one-on-one battle of the Holocene epoch; bar none. *Note: for any who tend to believe this an impossible show-down for the big Kodiak bear, this rhino weighs less than a walrus and his hide is not as thick.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 6, 2019 17:49:31 GMT -5
As already discussed on page 4 of this thread, there is a rhino that a bear would probably defeat 50% of the time, that is the smallest species of rhino in the world, the Sumatran rhino. this rhino is 1500 lbs on average and is about 8 feet in head to body length. So vs a 1500 lb brown bear it would be a great fight. Big Brown Bear vs Rhinoceros at weight-parity would absolutely be the ultimate one-on-one battle of the Holocene epoch; bar none. I agree brobear. Also, the horns are not that impressive. They are pretty short compared to the other rhino species.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 7, 2019 21:10:27 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Mar 8, 2019 1:50:58 GMT -5
Of course you know, I read this one. Children's book yes, but could not resist.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 8, 2019 5:27:43 GMT -5
Of course you know, I read this one. Children's book yes, but could not resist. Great. The stats, fight, and outcome were pretty reliable anyways.
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Post by brobear on Mar 8, 2019 5:52:27 GMT -5
Of course you know, I read this one. Children's book yes, but could not resist. Great. The stats, fight, and outcome were pretty reliable anyways.
I have found that very often I learn something from a child's book.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 4:55:42 GMT -5
Some may say insects or invertebrates are the strongest pound to pound but according to square cube law as mass increases quicker than strength, therefore, even if inverterbrates 'get' to the same size or weight as bears, they will be crushed by their own weight. The same goes for an article which says 'a wolverine the same size as a grizzly bear would be the strongest animal in the world' is another incorrect statement as once again the largest living land weasel will be crushed by its own weight. Both invertebrates and wolverines are not made to sustain the weight of bears.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 27, 2019 15:48:39 GMT -5
Does extinct animals (non ursids) apply? The list of extant animals that can beat a grizzly 100% or at least 50% or more one on one: African bush elephant, Indian elephant, white rhino, hippopotamus, Indian rhino, black rhino, Sumatran rhino, Javan rhino, girrafe, elephant seal, walrus (in relatively shallow water), huge Nile crocodile, huge saltwater crocodile, huge bull bison, cape buffalo, gaur, banteng, larger polar bear, larger or similar size Kodiak bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 27, 2019 16:42:48 GMT -5
50% or more in face to face battle.
elephant-100% rhino-100% hippo-100% Giraffe-80% Gaur-70% American bison-50% European bison-50% Belgian blue bull-50% water buffalo-50% Cape buffalo-50% Banteng-50% Yak-50% Saltwater croc on land-50%, on water 100%. Spanish fighting bull-50%***
My updated list.
***Spanish fighting bulls are probably the most aggressive cattle in the world, they were breed specifically for fighting, so even though the California grizzly defeated the Spanish bull more often than not in the California pit fights, it was very close and i would still think its 50%. Those were the most brutal fights in history, the bodies were completely mutilated. So why do i give the gaur 70% of chances of winning and the Spanish bull 50%? Simply because the gaur can reach weights of 3300 lbs, while the Spanish fighting bull only reaches about 1500 lbs, so even though the gaur is much less aggressive, it can be more than double the weight of a Spanish bull.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 27, 2019 18:57:34 GMT -5
Guys is there any thread where we can post real life accounts of bears being killed by animals (I still consider bears to be the most powerful land carnivores, however, predators sometimes get killed by their prey etc).
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 27, 2019 19:23:49 GMT -5
Guys is there any thread where we can post real life accounts of bears being killed by animals (I still consider bears to be the most powerful land carnivores, however, predators sometimes get killed by their prey etc). You mean a thread like the one we have at WAW, "Tiger killed by other animals" ?
www.tapatalk.com/groups/wildanimalwarfare/tiger-killed-by-other-animals-t29.html
In this forum here we do a thread "lions kill bears"
domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/510/lion-kills-bear-accounts
And just today i posted an account of a python that eat a female sun bear:
domainofthebears.proboards.com/post/20312/thread
But as far as doing a thread specifically of bears killed by other animals, i dont know if someone here would want to contribute. Our enemies already did a thread like that in another forum. What i can tell you though is i know for a fact that there is not nearly the same amount of accounts we have in the tiger killed by other animals thread (more than 80 accounts), the most by far of any animal.
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Post by brobear on Oct 28, 2019 4:15:30 GMT -5
What land-based animals can defeat a 1400-pound grizzly in a face-off? Elephant ( African and Asian ), Hippopotamus, Rhinoceros ( White, Black, Great Indian, Javan ) and ( maybe ) bull Elephant Seal. What land-based animals might stand a 50-50 chance against a 1000-pound grizzly in a face-off? Giraffe, Bison, African Buffalo, Asian Buffalo, Yak, Gaur, Kouprey, Banteng, Bull Moose, Sumatran Rhinoceros, horse that knows how to fight, and Polar Bear. Crocodile ( any species over 1,000 pounds ) on land questionable. In water crocodile wins. Huge Python or Anaconda - questionable. Deadly poisonous snakes - questionable. Walrus - on land Grizzly. In the sea Walrus. Note: in force of numbers - Lions could kill a Grizzly. / in a huge gathering of 20+ Spotted Hyenas - Grizzly can be killed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 4:47:00 GMT -5
Did you own this book? It's a good one to have. The illustrations are beautiful.
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Post by brobear on Oct 28, 2019 4:51:29 GMT -5
I used to. King Kodiak owns a copy.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 28, 2019 4:54:05 GMT -5
Yes Verdugo, you can get it on Ebay for about 3 dollars i think. The analysis of the fight is pretty accurate.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 28, 2019 4:57:39 GMT -5
Brobear: you dont think a Spanish fighting bull can defeat a grizzly 50% of the time?
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Post by brobear on Oct 28, 2019 5:06:55 GMT -5
Brobear: you dont think a Spanish fighting bull can defeat a grizzly 50% of the time? According to the book, California Grizzly.... no way. The bears defeated the bulls in most contests. Remember the grizzly who defeated one right behind the other ( he killed 4 bulls before being killed by bull number #5 if I remember right ). We have the stories here posted in topic: "Bullfighter".
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 28, 2019 5:15:10 GMT -5
Brobear: you dont think a Spanish fighting bull can defeat a grizzly 50% of the time? According to the book, California Grizzly.... no way. The bears defeated the bulls in most contests. Remember the grizzly who defeated one right behind the other ( he killed 4 bulls before being killed by bull number #5 if I remember right ). We have the stories here posted in topic: "Bullfighter". Well, like i said in reply #53, yes, in the California pit fights, the California grizzly defeated Spanish bulls more often than not, but not by a large margin, the bulls also won and the bears were also pretty mutilated. You also have to take into consideration that modern grizzlies are not the same as those California grizzlies who were notorious for killing all kinds of large cattle. Spanish fighting bulls, taken out the fact that they only grow to about 1500 lbs, should be a better adversary than a moose or a yak. They are more aggressive and are specifically breed to fight.
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