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Post by brobear on Mar 19, 2017 4:38:08 GMT -5
Quote from above post: In winter, the tiger had to walk long distances to find the animals he preferred most (deer and wild boars). Some of the animals he killed were confiscated by a large male brown bear. The bear was so large, the tiger wouldn't have had a chance in a fight. He had no option but to accept it. Yes, a big male grizzly, with a distinct weight advantage, can and will displace a mature male tiger from a carcass. Of this I have no doubts.
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Post by brobear on Mar 20, 2017 3:35:27 GMT -5
Franklin321... For one, I believe in regards to claws as weapons, those of ursines are more efficient, whereas the claws of a feline are multifunctional, they are closer to what we would see as tools; the claws of bears can slash and lacerate with precision, being about as sharp, although not as curved in design as those of a felid.
Whereas, a feline's claws are closer to meat-hooks, and better at holding prey, because of this a slash could be slowed down due to the cat's claws being stuck or something equivalent into its rivals flesh. Of course, they still make formidable weapons, and felines can afterall use all eighteen of their claws as weapons whereas bears are limited to ten!
As for your statements regarding paw swipes, generally, bears will kill large prey by attempting to control the head of the animal, and than use their jaws to attack the throat. However, they have been known to kill large prey with a clout.
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Post by brobear on Mar 20, 2017 7:16:08 GMT -5
STRENGTH - In over-all physical strength the grizzly is superior to the big cats. This does not mean that the bear is stronger in every way. Pulling strength is an ongoing issue of debate. But without a doubt, of the three, lion, tiger, and bear, the grizzly rules in the brute strength department. A big cat simply cannot be so heavily muscled and maintain the agility and quickness needed to be an active, successful full-time predator. The broad build, heavy bone-structure, huge scapula, the unique shoulder hump, and a body heavily muscle clean down to the ankles places the grizzly as perhaps the strongest terrestrial mammal of his size on earth. I'm not saying that the tiger is lacking in muscle; not by a long shot! A tiger, once he gets those wickedly-curved meat-hooks into the flesh of a one-ton buffalo, he has the raw-power and massive strength to pull the brute onto the ground. But if a tiger is a truck, then the grizzly is a tank! A full-grown male grizzly, at equal head-and-body length with a tiger, can have a weight advantage ( Summer weight ) of easily 200 pounds. The grizzly is thicker all-over with bigger bones, more muscle, and more fat. His broad build makes this crystal clear. However, even a big male grizzly will strictly avoid a mature male tiger. There is nothing to be gained by engaging in a fight with a tiger, but much to lose. The teeth and claws of a tiger can produce horrific damage. Likewise, for a tiger to choose a healthy mature male grizzly as potential prey would be insane. The prize is simply not worth the risk of death.
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Post by brobear on Mar 20, 2017 7:18:17 GMT -5
Tiger.
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Post by brobear on Mar 20, 2017 9:21:43 GMT -5
The advantages of the tiger: 1 - Speed - For so cumbersome an animal, a grizzly is surprisingly fast but cannot compete with the lightning speed of a tiger. 2 - Agility - For so cumbersome an animal, a grizzly is surprisingly agile but the tiger is a contortionist. 3 - Teeth - The tiger has extreme canine teeth and all the sharp teeth of a pure carnivore. 4 - Killer Instinct - The tiger is an accomplished hunter and a lethal assassin. 5 - Height and Length - At true size-parity, the tiger is some longer and taller, giving him a better reach. 6 - Retractable Claws - The deeply-curved claws give the tiger a superior grip. 7 - Paw Strike - The tiger can deliver quick rapid "punches." 8 - Leaping - The tiger can make incredible leaps. Can this skill be employed in a fight? 9 - Stealth - This skill is only good if the fight starts off as an ambush.
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Post by brobear on Mar 20, 2017 9:48:38 GMT -5
The advantages of a grizzly: 1 - Strength - The broad build, heavy skeleton, and thick layer of muscles and shoulder hump that reinforces his upper body strength. 2 - Leverage - The short back and broad build gives the grizzly superior leverage. 3 - Claws - The long claws backed by strong arms and upper body strength do considerable damage. 4 - Weight - At true size parity, the grizzly will have some weight advantage. 5 - Grappling - The grizzly's big scapula gives him superior movement of his massive arms. 6 - Stamina - The grizzly is better able to outlast the tiger. 7 - Paw Strike - The grizzly has a "harder punch." 8 - Bipedal Standing - Due to flat plantigrade feet and habitual bipedal standing, the grizzly can better make use of his paw strikes. 9 - Intelligence - Better brains and brawn than brawn alone. 10 - Build - The grizzly has a broad frame with bowed legs and in-turned feet - like a bulldog. This build is what gives the bulldog his superior grappling ability among dog breeds.
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Post by brobear on Mar 20, 2017 10:15:47 GMT -5
Intelligence. The bears are ranked right up there with the higher primates, elephants. Measuring intelligence is not an exact science, but there are ways of getting a pretty good idea of who is smart and who is not. There is an entire topic, "Intelligence" giving example after example of the intelligence of bears. A predator needs to be smarter than the herbivores he hunts. He has but one profession; a hunter and assassin. An omnivore is more of a "Jack-of-all-trades." As a loner, the grizzly must explore and decide what he can eat and what not. He must learn about hundreds of plants, insects, small animals, fish, shell-fish, and mushrooms as well as how to hunt or locate carrion. Bears are famous for their self-healing ability; learning what plants, roots, and herbs to use for what ailment. Also consider that all bears are basically loners. Each grizzly has to learn enough survival skills to make it from early Spring through to late Autumn each year and be fat enough at the end of each Autumn to sleep for ( in most cases ) from 6 to 7 months. Only those bears who possess the knowledge of what can and what cannot be eaten and has the problem-solving skills to figure out how to procure it will survive the long Winter months. The big cats might possibly be ranked with wolves and hyenas. This is how I would decide on intelligence - the best problem solver.
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Post by brobear on Mar 20, 2017 12:54:56 GMT -5
Bear Almanac by Gary Brown. Tiger - Tigers prey on bears in their respective habitat. The diet of some Siberian tigers is 5 to 8 percent Asiatic black bear, though the bears have been observed displacing tigers from their kills. Bengal tigers kill sun bears, though they will often avoid them, and they ambush or sneak up on a sloth bear. Brown bears are a more formidable challenge for a Siberian tiger, and most of those bears killed are young, orphaned, or bears too old or weak to defend against a tiger. books.google.pl/books?ei=i7KfUtWX...me&q=tiger According to Tungus, there are three competing groups: man, tigers, and large bears. If the tiger occupies a certain small valley, no bear and no man may come and disturb it. If a man camps in such a place, the tiger kills the horses, approaches the wigwam, frightens the women and children, but rarely kills them. If the man moves to another neighbouring valley, the tiger does not follow him, and leaves his family and horses alone. Neither does the tiger go to the valleys occupied by the large bear. The places belonging to the bear may easily be recognized by man, by the tiger, or by other bears. This animal lives with its mother until it is sometimes one or two years old. When the bear is alone, he has to find out a free place to live. It happens rather often that there are two claimants for the same place - a tiger and a bear. According to their practice, the bear puts his mark on a tree by biting it as high as he can. According to Tungus, the tiger is not as intelligent as the bear. "... If the first attack succeeds and the bear falls down, the tiger masters his foe and kills him; if not, the bear slowly but surely conquers the tiger and kills him. By this duel, the problem of the desired territory is solved for ever ..." From :"Social organization of the Northern Tungus" by S._M._Shirokogoroff en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._M._Shirokogoroff
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Post by brobear on Mar 23, 2017 10:57:16 GMT -5
Over at - wildfact.com/forum/ - in the topic: Bears of the Pleistocene - post #6 - I asked the question: It appears to me that there were both tigers and brown bears in China during the Pleistocene where the brown bears are thought to have originated. Could it be that the tiger and the brown bear are ancient enemies from the beginning ? Peter answered me: It's speculation all the way, but if what I saw in captive animals is typical for bears and tigers in Russia I would say yes. Many trainers would agree, I think. There's much more animosity between these two than between tigers and other big cats. John Vaillant wrote a great book about a male Amur tiger who got into trouble with a hunter. The hunter took the animal he had killed and shot the owner, who was wounded. This made it personal. The tiger responded by starting a psychological war. The hunter was affected. When he was nearly done for (noticed by many), the tiger went to his house. The hunter must have seen him, as he wasn't to be missed. Nobody knows why he came out of his cabin, but he did. The tiger attacked, killed and ate him completely. The book is about the incident, the story behind it and the hunt. This happened in the nineties of the last century. Vaillant talked to locals and those who hunted the tiger after he had killed and eaten a second man. Adult male Amur tigers are quite something, Vaillant concluded. True survivors. They will yield to a larger force, but anything within reach will have to answer for actions directed against the tiger sooner or later. The things he wrote about tigers and bears, in my opinion, underline the animosity many noticed between both animals. As Kerley said, you never know in tigers and bears. Anything is possible. Vaillant's book is a real good one and I read many. I asked Miquelle about it. He agreed: a great book. It's in every internet bookstore and shipping costs are limited. Good books on animals and humans usually don't come cheap. This one is. My advice is to buy it when you can. You may not like what you read on bears and tigers, but Vailliant only talked to those 'in the know'. An adult wild male Amur tiger will not confront a large bear, but anything within his possibility is an entirely different matter. As 'large' in bears always is subject to season and shape, it isn't easy to get into details. Same for tigers, by the way. Those who hunted the tiger said he was big. They thought he must have been close to 500 pounds after a large meal, but he was nearly starved when they finally got to him. It was a very close call even then. A male bear of 700 pounds and over definitely is out of reach, but when he is a professional extortioner who targets one male tiger in particular, chances are the tiger will remember and act when the time has arrived. When that happens, anything is possible. I know male bears do not hunt male bears, but who said anything on hunting? My guess is they meet and talk every now and then. These 'meetings' no doubt often end in dispersal, but often isn't always. Based on what I saw myself in a rescue centre and a zoo, I think an adult tiger wouldn't be bothered by a difference in size when emotions have grown to 700 pounds. I don't think a tiger would go for the kill. My guess is he would try to make his point clear. At times at his peril and at times not. Corbett described what he heard when a professional extortioner and a big male tiger met in Kumaon. They fought for a few minutes and the engagement ended with the tiger running, closely followed by the bear, who had murder in his eyes. Corbett couldn't get to the tiger, but he shot the bear. It was the fattest and heaviest he had ever seen and he must have seen many in Kumaon. The bear was scalped to the bone and his nose was all but gone. It wouldn't have mattered to an animal like a bear, but the tiger did it anyhow. Then he left. When Corbett was examining the bear, he saw the tiger, to his amazement, returning to his cow. So what really happened over there? Did the bear win the fight? Or, as Corbett thought, the tiger? I think both made a point. The bear said he would take it all at all costs, even if his opponent was a large male tiger. The tiger said not after this. Than he ran, only to return when the bear was killed. Meaning he saw what had happened. Also meaning he wasn't prepared to go all the way. Why would he, in Kumaon? But in Russia, conditions are different. I definitely believe the reports on male tigers not hunting male bears, but I do not buy the opinion of authorities on bears winning on points or the mutual avoidance assumption. If tigers would allow for professional extortionists all the time, they would face big problems in a region with few large prey animals. Are large bears really immune, as many think? Are they really not bothered by injuries? If so, why is there, apart from a few incidents, no proof of male tigers consistently displaced by male bears then in nearly a quarter of a century of research? I do not doubt it happens every now and then, but why is it the brown bears I saw (large males and I mean large) where visibly very nervous when they were threatened by emaciated captive Amur tigers? The tigers couldn't see the bear, but they knew he was there. The bear was about 50 yards away, maybe a bit more. The tigers were standing on their hind legs staring at his cage wagon. They never roared, but I felt the deep sounds they made. I had never heard those sounds before and I know a bit about tigers. I was standing right between them and I could have sweared I felt something going from the tigers to the bear. It was crowded when it happened, with television close by (no joke), but nobody saw anything. Nobody apart from the cage hand. He was afraid and didn't want to talk. So was the bear, as his dropping showed. I do not doubt Ursus arctos lasiotus, used to tigers, is a fierce animal, more dangerous than an average tiger. Bears are much feared over there. I do not doubt they are able to compete with tigers and I do not doubt they win fights every noiw and then. But I would never make a bet and I never saw something similar for animosity. And that's all there is to say about it. For the moment.
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Post by brobear on Mar 24, 2017 3:21:31 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Mar 24, 2017 3:23:07 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Apr 21, 2017 1:41:50 GMT -5
Within most environments that a tiger and a grizzly might share, the bear is certain to have the advantage of size. But not all. In the R.F.E. ( Russian Far East ), the grizzly most often has the size advantage. However, should a tiger that dwells up in the Himalayan Mountains come face-to-face with a Himalayan brown bear ( red bear ), the tiger would have a significant size advantage. The mostly vegetarian red bear is among the smallest of the grizzlies and perhaps the most docile. Asiatic black bears have been seen chasing them. On the other hand, should a tiger meet up with a Tibetan brown bear ( blue bear ), things would become interesting. The blue bear is highly carnivorous and is said to be a large bear. His level of bad attitude aggressive behavior is comparable with the Canadian barren ground grizzly. *Note: Thus far, I have found no reports of interaction between the tiger and either of the two Himalayan brown bear subspecies.
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Post by brobear on Apr 30, 2017 17:50:40 GMT -5
Power vs Strength - humanfitproject.com/fitness-workouts/longevity/whats-the-difference-between-power-and-strength/ There are many facets to working out that include aerobics and flexibility in addition strength and power. Most people prioritize one over the others either because they do not know that others exist, their importance, the benefits, and the differences between them all. Strength and power are two that many believe are pretty similar but in fact very different. Here’s a quick answer to the difference between strength and power training. Power is defined as the ability to generate as much force as fast as possible. It is needed for athletic movements such as olympic movements (clean and jerk), swinging a baseball bat, swinging a golf club, and running through a tackle. Power does require strength and speed to develop force quickly. The load or resistance must be heavy enough to allow for maximal force to be applied but not so heavy that the exercise is performed too slowly. If the load is correct the trainee should be able to lift the weights as fast as possible with proper form as when performing a snatch or the clean and jerk. Exercises that can develop power are plyometrics such as depth jumps, hurdle jumps, lateral hops, and clap push ups. Strength is the amount of force a muscle, or group of muscles, can exert against and external load. A 1-repetition maximum test is performed where a trainee assesses the greatest weight they can lift with proper form. Speed of the movement is not important when testing strength. It is developed by lifting heavy weights normally around 80 percent or more of the trainee’s 1-rep max. Since the load is heavy the time it takes to perform one repetition is slow therefore strength trainees perform 1-5 reps per set. Rests between sets are usually between 3-5 minutes to ensure the lifter can lift as heaviest as possible the next set. The best way to develop strength is to focus on compound or multi-joint exercises that safely allow for heavy weights to be used. Examples are squats, shoulder presses, pull up / chin ups (weighted), bench presses, and deadlifts are ideal for increasing strength. Exercises like flyes, press downs, bicep curls and generally not used for maximal strength gains. After learning there is a difference between muscle strength and muscle power as an athlete it is important to realize which is most beneficial to your sport. A track and field athlete would want to focus more on power while a power-lifter would want to focus mostly on strength. I would suggest that all trainee’s switch their modalities of training up and utilize both power and strength workouts on occasion for optimal muscle performance.
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Post by brobear on May 7, 2017 5:11:53 GMT -5
Tiger musculature:
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Post by brobear on May 20, 2017 3:47:11 GMT -5
This is Blackie, a good example of the Amur Brown Bear or Black Grizzly.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 11:02:40 GMT -5
As with the other pic, a comparison between a Grizzly and a Kaziranga tiger, this time looking at them from the side.
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Post by brobear on Jan 1, 2018 6:22:23 GMT -5
I have no idea what went wrong, but I would love to see this. Please try try again and again. Thanx.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2018 8:41:10 GMT -5
You mean that you can't see the pic?
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Post by brobear on Jan 1, 2018 14:56:35 GMT -5
I can now. Not 8 hours ago. Don't know why. But... very good pics. -Thankx.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2018 17:03:39 GMT -5
I changed the source of it, and uploaded it to imgur, like we do on Wildfact. I'm glad you like them.
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