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Post by brobear on Jan 7, 2018 10:34:26 GMT -5
An old friend once said ( quote ): Tiger vs Grizzly is an example of Unstoppable force meets Immovable object. I have to agree with him. I know that in each and every verified face-to-face historical encounter I have managed to discover, I have yet to find even a single example of a tiger ever killing a full-grown boar grizzly. I know that a mature grizzly boar has no predators - including the tiger. I know as well as I know my own name that a big 700+ pound grizzly can and will displace a tiger of any age, size, or sex from a carcass. However, not every grizzly is of such proportions. Sometimes a smaller grizzly - perhaps from 400 to 500 pounds ) might challenge a big male tiger for his kill. I am not so arrogant as to say that the bear will always be victorious. The tiger is a full-time predator; a professional assassin. I have absolutely no doubts that within the wilderness of the Russian Far East mature male grizzlies have met their death at the powerful jaws armed with near-saber-toothed canines. But, I still hold that more often, it is the grizzly who takes the carcass.
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Post by brobear on Jan 11, 2018 3:14:23 GMT -5
wildfact.com/forum/topic-on-the-edge-of-extinction-a-the-tiger-panthera-tigris?page=88 - By Wolverine. MANIAC-BEAR PURSUES TIGRESS IN HABAROVSKII REGION All this month a gigantic brown bear leaves without food a tigress with two cubs, residing in the territory of forest-hunting economic unit in the aria of Lazo. The fact of pursuing is confirmed by photos from camera trap, installed on tiger's trail by the biologist and hunting expert, director of the forest-hunting economic unit "Durminskoe" Alexandr Batalov. One of the photos clearly shows a tigress and after 30 minutes on the scope of the camera trap appears bear following her traces. "I observe that tigress already several years. Her name is "Rashel"" - told Aleksandr Sergeevitch to the journalist from Information Agency "Habarovskii Krai Segodnia". "Last year she gave birth to four cubs" ... etc. etc ... this passage is not so important ....... But the bear doesn't give the tigress the opportunity to finish her meal, and the tigress herself doesn't enter in confrontation with the bear because she is much smaller. "The bear knowing that Rashel is a skilled hunter and has cubs follow her and wait until she kill something. And once the bear find the kill chase her away." - said Batalov - "And the bear doesn't eat fresh meat, he burry the meat underground, wait for some time around and than consumate it." Normally the situations when tigers and bears meet each other on same trail and enter in confrontation with each other are result of the lack of food resources. Large brown bears during the fall must gain enough body weight before entering hibernation that's way they sometimes start behaving as carnivores - hunt week, sick animals or appropriate the food from obligatory carnivores . ........ etc ...etc. ...... explanation that sometimes brown bears hunt Asiatic black bears......... But in this current season there is enough food in the forest for everybody. Its visible on the bear himself (meaning the bear is fat). Most probably the male bear just got used to "easy" life on the shoulders of the tigress. The hunters from the forest unit could help tigress to get rid of the parasite (the bear), hunting season opens in October. Until now they are not succesfull in this task. They are going to follow the bear when the snow fall. " That's the end of the article. My comments. Its obvious that this particular bear is extremely large, a real giant - probably 1,5 times larger than average male Ussurian brown bear. Its easy to assess the size of the bear by comparing it with the size of the tigress since on the photos they stay close to same tree. The average weight of Siberian tigress is 120 kg, the average weight of Ussurian male brown bear is 260-270 kg. But the bear on photos obviously is from 3 to 3,5 times larger than the tigress, totally dwarfing her. That mean that the body mass of that giant should be I the range of 360-420 kg. As I know that is the first photo-evidence of interactions between amur tiger and brown bear. All previous evidences are only written reports of scientists and hunters. The question is where is the video itself from that camera trap because we currently have only two photos from the video leaked into mass media?
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Post by brobear on Jan 11, 2018 3:38:15 GMT -5
The story, as told in above two pages, are from WildFacts ... On The Edge of Extinction-A-The Tiger ... page 88. average tigress - 120 kg ( 265 pounds ) average male Amur brown bear - from 260 to 270 kg ( 573 to 595 pounds ). This satellite bear - from 360 to 420 kg ( 794 to 926 pounds ).
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Post by brobear on Feb 13, 2018 3:05:45 GMT -5
From Peter to Warsaw - wildfact.com/forum/ - Premier League - ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - A - THE TIGER (Panthera tigris) - post# 1490. As to the 'very large bear' killed by the tiger. I know there is no solid evidence of male brown bears killed by tigers, but that doesn't mean it never happens. If a tigress can overcome a bear of approximately 170 kg., a male also can. In a recent article (Kerley and Miquelle were involved), it was stated that biologists could have been wrong on tigers and bears in Russia. Bears no doubt can be dangerous, but tigers apparently do not hesitate to fight bears of similar size. If a tiger of exceptional size (the Sungari river tiger was at least 660 pounds) would engage a bear of similar size, nothing can be excluded.
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Post by brobear on Feb 13, 2018 3:25:46 GMT -5
About the above post from Peter to Warsaw: Peter is talking about the very large male tiger exceeding 650 pounds which was shot at the Sungari River in Manchuria in 1943. The hunter, Jankowski had reported that the tiger had just "killed and eaten a very large brown bear." All that was left of the bear was the head and a paw. Again ( I have covered this how many times? ). Obviously, what Jankowski discovered was the scant remains of a big bear that the tiger had been feeding on. He did not witness any struggle between the two animals. Consider how long it would take for a tiger to consume hundreds of pounds of dead grizzly. A much more likely scenario: the tiger had discovered the carcass of the bear and was feeding when the hunter arrived. Most likely the big grizzly had been killed by another bear or by a hunter's bullet. As for the 170 kg ( 375 pounds ) grizzly killed by a tigress: a 375 pound Russian black grizzly is either an adult she-bear or ( even more likely ) a juvenile male. The average Amur tigress weighs roughly 137.5 kg ( 303 pounds ). The young sub-adult bear was fatter but the tigress had him beat in body length by well over a foot ( 30.5 cm ). Nearly all bears in Russia hunted and killed by tigers are juveniles. Note: because that it is the Premier League and because Wildfact is not an "animal face-off blog site" I will wait patiently for others to respond.
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Post by brobear on Feb 13, 2018 6:44:21 GMT -5
I will add to the above post: ( IMO ) No tiger of any sex or size will ever choose a mature grizzly boar as prey. However, it is possible ( IMO ) that a tiger desperate for food might decide to stand his ground in defense of a carcass. In such a case ( if we were so fortunate as to be watching from a blind ) we would then proceed to witness the greatest one-on-one fight that the animal kingdom has to offer, as the unstoppable force ( tiger ) meets the immovable object ( grizzly ).
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Post by tom on Feb 13, 2018 18:58:38 GMT -5
I will add to the above post: ( IMO ) No tiger of any sex or size will ever choose a mature grizzly boar as prey. However, it is possible ( IMO ) that a tiger desperate for food might decide to stand his ground in defense of a carcass. In such a case ( if we were so fortunate as to be watching from a blind ) we would then proceed to witness the greatest one-on-one fight that the animal kingdom has to offer, as the unstoppable force ( tiger ) meets the immovable object ( grizzly ). I agree with what you've said wholeheartedly. Any Tiger bold enough to attack a full grown Grizzly boar is a desperate Kitty, either starving to death or has gone kookoo ! Self preservation would be highest on their mind I would think and the same could be said for a Grizzly attacking a full grown male or female Tiger I might add for essentially the same reason. One could easily come away from such an attack in rough shape which would hinder your ability to hunt, thus survive.
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Post by brobear on Feb 21, 2018 11:39:16 GMT -5
Only in the Russian far East can we find two Dominant Apex Predators within the same Land-based environment. So which one is really the reigning king apex predator of the R.F.E.? In terms of predation, the tiger holds the crown. I would have to say that the tiger is the top predator in the Russian taiga. He is a full-time assassin of prey animals. So, where does that leave the grizzly? What a mature full-grown grizzly boar wants, he gets. As a hunter, he stands down the ladder below the wolf, the leopard, and the mighty tiger. The grizzly is not the hit-man, he is the godfather. He takes what he wants from the more accomplished predators. That's what a bear does. Answer: It all depends on point of view. Reality: The R.F.E. has two Kings of the wilderness.
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Post by brobear on Feb 27, 2018 16:30:19 GMT -5
By Peter - wildfact.com/forum/Male Amur tigers are not as heavy as male Ussuri brown bears, but my guess is that an average male brown bear surprised in a similar way also wouldn't stand much of a chance, provided the tiger gets a good grip right away. If not, chances are there will be a struggle. If both are average in size, the margins could be small. I slightly favour the more robust bear, but both know they can kill each other. There's a big difference between an ambush and a fair struggle.
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Post by brobear on Feb 28, 2018 6:15:53 GMT -5
It is possible that the 650 pound Sungari River tiger did indeed kill the grizzly that he was found feeding on. Possible does not mean a proven documented fact. A 650 pound wild tiger is quite a monster; not like an overfed fat zoo tiger. In an ambush attack, the monster tiger might have killed a big mature grizzly boar. I have stated numerous times here that I do believe that, over the tens of millennia throughout their range, there have probably been many fierce and bloody fights between adult males of both tiger and grizzly. Of these fights, I feel positive that sometimes the tiger killed the bear. In fact, I consider the tiger as being the greatest land-based predator on earth. He is a killer of giants. The mature male grizzly is the only animal other than a bull rhinoceros or an elephant that a tiger will not choose as potential prey. A full-grown boar grizzly is the only beast on earth that can displace a tiger from his kill. For this reason I consider the grizzly as being the Achilles' heel of the big cats.
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Post by brobear on Feb 28, 2018 13:23:30 GMT -5
The fact that there has been only the one incident of a tiger discovered feeding on the carcass of a full-grown boar grizzly is proof that, even IF the bear was killed by the tiger ( questionable ) it is absolutely an extremely rare event. There have been several events known of a tiger ambushing and killing adult grizzly she-bears. But even this is a very rare event. Dale, who was famously known to biologists as "The Bear Killer" because he had acquired a taste for bear meat, and had killed and eaten many bears, both black and grizzly, was known to have killed only two adult grizzlies: both she-bears. And, neither was an easy kill but a bloody, long-lasting struggle for even the big male tiger. Fact: mature grizzly boars are not on the tiger's menu.
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Post by brobear on Mar 10, 2018 7:48:08 GMT -5
www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/conflict9.html Sloth bears: In India, the rather shaggy sloth bear has been known to steal tiger kills, though it's to be admitted that the Bengal tiger usually comes off the winner in these challenges. Brown and Asiatic black bears: The Amur tiger shares the forest with a powerful neighbor: the brown bear. A close relative of the Alaskan grizzly, the brown bear lacks the ferocity of its cousin, but can grow larger, with big males regularly reaching 1500 lb. A second species of bear, the smaller Asiatic black bear, also lives in the same location. These weigh in at up to 350 lb and often seem small from a distance. In fact, that statement is true of all bears. The small appearance comes from the fact that bears are round-bodied and long-slung. Couple this with short thick legs, in relation to body size, and you have that look of a small compact animal. But that same bear will tower over a man when he rises onto his hind legs. Incidentally, many people think bears are short-sighted, but this is not correct; experiments have shown bears have keen eyesight along with excellent hearing and smell. There is a great deal of interaction between the brown bear and the Amur tiger. Tigers and bears are born enemies. Whenever possible a tiger will drive away a bear, or try to kill and eat it. A male tiger will even attack a female brown bear with young. Animal biologists once spotted a big male on a freshly killed brown bear cub. The mother bear and her second cub had escaped by climbing a tree. The killing of male brown bears is very rare. In such cases the tiger usually takes the bear by surprise during hibernation. These two opponents are very wary of a fight. A fully grown, male brown bear, weighing up to 1500 lb, presents a formidable foe to even the biggest male Amur tiger. Large brown bears even follow tigers and will take over their kills; especially at the end of winter when there is little food around. Tiger predation on bears: Tigers generally avoid bears much over 800 lb, but will quite readily predate on sub-600 lb females. This is impressive predation and during fights with the brown bear the tiger gives quite a good account of itself. Occasional confrontations with similar weight animals over a kill usually fizzle out after a bit of noise and threatening display. Huge grizzly bears: However, the 1000 lb plus bear is king here and of a much more ferocious disposition. Two large male tigers were found killed by such animals in the year 2000, which is tragic, if natures way. Tigers will usually avoid such a powerful foe, but eventually these huge animals will run into each other. Often the bear is trying to steal the tiger's kill. The tiger gives a better account of itself in a bear fight than the lion. The bear does not go in for strangulation or nape biting, but uses his paws to rain blows to the head and shoulders. Possibly this removes any advantage of a mane. With no experience of bear fighting, a lion would probably be found wanting against such a foe, yet it appears to have great advantage against creatures which go in for blood letting at the throat (such as the tiger).
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Post by brobear on Mar 26, 2018 10:30:42 GMT -5
By Sarus - shaggygod.proboards.com/ - blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/east-of-siberia-heeding-the-sign/ East of Siberia: Heeding the Sign Things had gone from one dead tiger to one live tiger, to one live tiger and one dead bear, all in the span of about 45 minutes By Jonathan C. Slaght on March 5, 2018 This is a story that starts with a tiger and involves a bear or two, but if I had to choose I’d say this is a story about a crow. In June 2006 I was asked to help find a dead tiger. I’d just completed a field season studying Blakiston’s fish owls and had a few extra days in Ternei, a coastal village home to WCS’s Siberian Tiger Project. There, I’d join tiger biologists for evening beers and hear tales of roaring tigers, charging bears, and other high-adrenaline adventures. These were stories told with matter-of-factness rather than bravado, as though the encounters were with livestock not mega carnivores. I’d sit back and listen, pleased that these incidents did not involve me. While I was comfortable working in forests with tigers nearby it seemed reckless to actively seek one out. There’s something inherently intimidating about massive, toothy predators that like to hide from things then later jump out and kill those things. One morning John Goodrich, then the field coordinator for the Siberian Tiger Project, told me that a radio-collared tiger had not moved in days. This likely meant one of two things: either the tiger died a natural death, or had been shot and his collar discarded by poachers to cover their tracks. John was looking for an extra set of eyes in his search for the carcass, and since the tiger was presumed dead this seemed pretty safe to me. I agreed to go. We drove about ten kilometers from town, where John eased his pickup off the road and activated his VHF receiver, surprised to hear the steady beeps of an “active” signal. Radio transmissions are either “active”—meaning the tiger is moving about, or “passive”—meaning that the tiger has been immobile for some hours. It had been several “passive” readings in a row, over a series of days, that prompted field assistants to deem this tiger dead. It now appeared they had been mistaken. I looked at John, assuming that this new information meant that we were to call the search off, but he shrugged and pushed ahead. We were now looking for a live tiger. We followed the strength of the radio signal up a forested hill, with John pausing periodically to reassess our trajectory. Halfway through our ascent, sweaty from the humidity and the climb, the signal weakened then melted into the background sea of radio static. We looked at each other: how had the tiger disappeared? When we reached the top of the hill it became clear. John spotted a tiger bed near the ridge: a spot where the animal had been lying only moments before. When the tiger sensed our approach he quietly retreated over the ridge and down into the neighboring valley. The signal disappeared because VHF radio waves cannot pass through mountains. As John investigated the tiger bed I kept my eyes fixed on the ridge, half expecting a tiger to explode back across at any moment. After all, I’d heard stories that started just like this. I fumbled to unclip the canister of bear spray hanging from my belt: a terse blast of capsaicin was our only defense should the tiger decide to roar its way back into the story. John, oblivious to my concern, picked up a stray hair here and there, then knelt closely to the bed and inhaled deeply. “I smell bear,” he began, “I think this tiger ate a bear!” He stood up with fire in his eyes. “We’ve got a dead bear to look for.” I stared at him, incredulous. Things had gone, first, from one dead tiger, to then one live tiger, to now one live tiger and one dead bear—all in the span of about 45 minutes. This was the mega carnivore equivalent of things getting out of hand. This corner of northeast Asia is the only place in the world where tigers and brown bears live in the same forests, and the prospect that John and I had stumbled upon the aftermath of a direct and fatal encounter washed me with alternating waves of wonder and trepidation. We began a methodological search for bear remains, moving in an ever-widening circle emanating from the tiger bed. We occasionally stumbled into an area heavy with the aroma of death. Scents of decay can drift from the point of origin; sometimes collecting far from a carcass itself. But, try as we might, we could not pinpoint its source. John and I spent the better part of an hour in our search, and eventually sat on a log to admit defeat. Hearing wings, I looked up to spy a crow flying in our direction above the canopy. When it reached us the bird cocked its head, peered down, and croaked a curt caw. Then it wheeled in the sky and flew back from where it had come. John and I watched silently then resumed talking. A minute later the same bird (or one just like it) returned and repeated the action: flying toward us, looking down, calling, and then flying back. John’s interest in our search was renewed: he recalled stories about ravens leading hunters to deer and boar, hoping to feed off scraps once the hunter was done. John wondered aloud if this crow was doing something similar. We stood and pursued, following the crow east. About a hundred paces later the stench of death grew stronger. The forest unexpectedly opened to a small clearing about ten meters across and at my feet lay the severely-decomposed hind leg of a bear. This was a horror of a thing that shared a striking resemblance to a human leg. John moved ahead to discover a similarly-ripe forearm: pale bone and fetid flesh camouflaged among the detritus of the forest floor. Then John found a skull. Judging by the tooth wear this had been a very old brown bear. The stench here was indescribable. Only then did I notice our surroundings with more clarity. It looked like a grenade had gone off. Everything was devastated: shrubs were stripped of their leaves, branches were broken, and the soil had been scraped from the forest floor and piled into a massive mound in the middle of this space. I had no idea what I was looking at but of course John did: this was a bear cache. Brown bears sometimes bury their kills for future consumption, and they do so by hiding the meat under a pile of dirt and debris they scrape together. The exact sequence of events was unclear, but what we did know was that an old brown bear had died, and was then buried by another bear. Whether it had been killed by that bear, or a tiger, or died of some other reason we would never know. But at some point a radio-collared tiger had discovered this cache and spent several days digging up and consuming various bear bits. This was why the tiger’s collar had transmitted a number of “inactive” signals across a protracted period: the tiger was lazing about in a bear-induced food coma. I noticed a few crows bustling impatiently in the canopy, and was reminded of how we found that place to begin with. Were the crows waiting for us to dig up more bear? This is why I think this is a story about a crow: despite all we know about tigers and bears from radio-telemetry and other technologies, ultimately it was a crow that helped us fit the puzzle pieces together. It’s a gentle reminder to sometimes filter out the static, heed the signs nature leaves in plain sight, and to always follow the crow.
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Post by brobear on Mar 29, 2018 6:18:00 GMT -5
Nice post Ranji and I agree with most. However, tigers are actually every bit as territorial as lions. I believe that lions make easier targets because of the more open terrain. A tiger will also, like lions, have more than a single mate. Like a pride in a matter of speaking, just not living and hunting as a group. A dominant male tiger will, like a lion, fiercely defend his domain form other tigers and other predators. The grizzly has a totally different strategy. The more the merrier within his chosen domain. He tolerates other grizzlies but makes his dominant position known. He welcomes other predators and benefits from their hunting skills. The more predators, the more bloody carcasses to be usurped or scavenged.
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Post by brobear on Mar 29, 2018 11:13:53 GMT -5
From Warsaw - shaggygod.proboards.com/ From :"Social organization of the Northern Tungus" by S._M._Shirokogoroff en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._M._Shirokogoroff "...If the first tiger's attack succeeds and the bear falls down, the tiger masters his foe and kills him; if not, the bear slowly, but surely, conquers the tiger and kills him. By this duel the problem of the desired territory is solved for ever..." "... Neither does the tiger go to the valleys occupied by the large bear. The places belonging to the bear may easily be recognized by special marks ..." books.google.pl/books?ei=i7KfUtWXGMSVhQfx4YCQCg&hl=pl&id=_7wmAQAAMAAJ&dq=the+bear+slowly%2Cbut+surely+conquers+the+tiger&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=tiger
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Post by Polar on Mar 29, 2018 11:21:50 GMT -5
Tigers don't "leave" their family or tiger buddies to die within a fight. Sometimes they even help them out (and quite effectively), but to a lesser extent than lions in terms of how common it is. I know bears are moreso "loners", because you never see them team up together to fight any opponent or enemy. Big cats are more collective as a whole.
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Post by brobear on Mar 29, 2018 12:00:24 GMT -5
From Peter: wildfact.com/forum/ TIGERS AND BEARS IN RUSSIA TODAY - PART II 1 - BROWN BEAR SIZE We know (referring to the table Guate recently posted in this thread and the info of Kucherenko on the size of Amur brown bears) that Amur brown bears are large animals. The average weight of adult males in both tables ranges between 260-270 kg. ( 570 to 595 pounds ). In adult females, it's a bit confusing. Kucherenko says 192 kg., whereas new research (posted by Guate) says 145 kg. One reason for the differences reported could be individual variation, which is more outspoken in brown bears than in big cats. Not surprising, as we know individual variation is more pronounced in big mammals and brown bears are larger than big cats. A Chinese poster posted reliable weight of some females weighed in the north-eastern part of China (Manchuria). They ranged between 280-360 kg. I also read a report of Kaplanov. A female brown bear with two cubs killed by a tigress was estimated at 80-100 kg. Huge difference with 360, that is. With 'larger', by the way, I mean heavier for now. Not longer per se, as brown bears are measured 'over contours', as opposed to 'between pegs'. What is the difference between both methods in brown bears? Well, I wouldn't know about Amur brown bears, but I found a few tables on American brown bears.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2018 7:14:06 GMT -5
One thing that never ceases to amaze me is how many people seem to think, that because a tiger can take down a large buffalo weighing up to 1000 lbs or more, it should be easily able to deal with the likes of a bear. I recently had this conversation as well as looked back on old posts. "Cats can take down animals 4 times larger than themselves!" They seem to forget that this entirely depends on the prey animal. If size truly didn't matter due to them being able to take down larger opponents, then leopards should be killing tigers similar to them killing large boar. Feral cats should be able to take down leopards. One thing many people fail to take into account is how hard it is for tigers and lions to take down large herbivorous prey. Taking down a 1000 lb+ animal with horns and a deadly kick isn't easy. It may appear easy to us humans that simply watch it, but it's very much like watching fighters take one another down with a variety of techniques and skill. Everything looks simple and easy to the observer because it's from an analytic point of view, rather than actually engaging in the activity. Fights with big buffalo can range from seconds to an hour with the longest being nearly a day before the lion finally killed the buffalo after crushing its Achilles tendon. Either the lion or tiger catch the neck and slowly suffocate the kicking thrashing giant, or they fight head on which takes quite a long time for either to win. There are numerous videos showing how difficult it is for both lions and tigers to truly be able to kill buffalo, with many videos showing buffalo goring the big cats or chasing them away. All a buffalo is using is its weight, size, horns, and kicks. Relatively easy to dodge for the cats. And yet they have the necessary tools to defend themselves against these predators. Point being. Yes they're prey, but by no means helpless or easy unless they're getting overwhelmed by multiple big cats. A bear on the other hand, is also a predator. It possesses claws, teeth, weight, size, and grappling ability. Bears themselves will prey on buffalo and in my opinion, are just as successful when taking them down. A 420 lb lion or tiger is going to have a much easier time trying to kill a 1000 lb buffalo then it will against a bear of similar size and weight. Even a bear weighing a bit lighter than the big cat will give it a tougher fight than a large buffalo. There's multiple cases of that happening as well, with a female bear that fought a male tiger, and though she was killed, severely wounded the tiger in the struggle, and I believe Brobear has that account. Another is a case of a black bear that fought off a tiger that tried to prey on her cubs, and another is an actual video of a sloth bear that wouldn't give up against a male tiger that was also near her cubs. video.nationalgeographic.com/video/news/180305-sloth-bear-fights-tiger-vin-spdLook at the size difference between those two. It seems like it should be easy for the tiger right? I myself think that a lion or tiger at parity against the bear would actually win more often than not, but either way, it's not going to be an easy win by any means. The bear isn't going to face the same issues as a struggling buffalo would when its throat has been grabbed or when its face has been pulled in for a bite. It will be swatting, biting, grappling, and lunging at the tiger combined with terrible strength and ferocity. I really fail how people can't see this. Get an extreme case of a 500 lb tiger somehow taking down a massive rhino by itself, and thinking it could take on a grizzly bear weighing 800 lbs or much more. Give me a freaking break.
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Post by brobear on Mar 30, 2018 8:05:06 GMT -5
Nice post Malikc. However, when those animal face-off sites were going on strong hot-and-heavy, we heard it repeated over and over how at size parity, the big cat could easily over-power a bear. Fact: you hear something repeated often enough, you start believing it. Buffalo chips! I have watched videos of sloth bears fending off tigers double their size. The grizzly is a grappler; a mauler and a brawler. Also ( see topic size-parity ) true size parity means just that. At weight parity, a lion or tiger has a tremendous height and length advantage. At height and length parity, the bear has a huge weight advantage. Therefore, at true size-parity, the lion or tiger will have some height and length advantage while the grizzly has some weight advantage. At true-size-parity, my nickel is on the grizzly.
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Post by brobear on Mar 31, 2018 6:28:58 GMT -5
The correct time to weigh a bear is Summer. However, a grizzly at early Spring is heavier than either lion or tiger at head/body length. Reason being the grizzly is the more powerfully built animal with greater girth. The grizzly is designed for heavy work - overturning heavy logs or boulders - digging in hard ground, often riddled with rocks and tree roots, sometimes frozen ground. The pantherines are designed for stealth, speed, and agility with strength secondary. Evolution - The big cats had to sacrifice strength for speed, agility, leaping ability, and stealth to become the greatest terrestrial predator on earth. I'm not saying that the big cats are not strong. They are incredibly strong; but not in the same league as a bear which can afford the extra bulk in his lifestyle.
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