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Post by brobear on Apr 9, 2021 23:14:53 GMT -5
I just got "When Kong Became King" yesterday evening ( Amazon ), and I'm now on chapter 4. I was actually searching for the original 'King Kong' from the 1933 movie. To start with, I found original books that start at $850. and go upwards from there. But, after a good bit of scrolling, I found a reprint much cheaper. It's in transit. In the past couple of months, I've read 'Werewolf of Paris', 'Frankenstein', and 'The Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde'. 'When Kong Became King' is a prequel to the original 1933 version. See: "Old Movies vs New Movies" reply #2: Quote: "My favorite is still the 1933 classic. The highlight was the battle between T-rex and Kong. From my personal point of view, Kong likely avoided the king of dinosaurs until he fought for Ann Darrow. This was the defining moment when Kong became King Kong." *Evidently, Peter William Turner perceived the 1933 classic just as I did
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Post by brobear on Apr 11, 2021 3:29:53 GMT -5
I am now half-way through 'When Kong Became King'. Although the author is giving no measurements of Kong himself, she is portraying all prehistoric animals according to real scientific findings. With lots of various species mentioned in this story, taking an active role ( thus far ) has been T-rex, Sarcosuchus, and a cave bear. Since, in the original story, Kong reportedly stood 18 feet tall, and ( on the movie ) T-rex was portrayed as ( standing straight-up like Godzilla ) 20 feet tall ) as in all the books back during my own childhood. I don't suppose that's far off the mark - if T-rex was capable of standing like that. The Rex is stated to weigh 7 tons, in this book, and is said to be some bigger than a full grown Kong ( Gorilla Beringei Kong ). In this story, Kong is a juvenile gorilla ( of the Skull Island subspecies ) and so I envision as standing upright at 12 feet tall ( the height given for the 'Son of Kong' in the 1933 sequel ). Edit and add: The Velociraptor are the greatest danger of all to the natives, but they don't mess with Kong. Edit and add: Finished reading. One more predator takes an active part in this story - Allosaurus.
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Post by brobear on Apr 11, 2021 3:38:58 GMT -5
*As I am probably the only one here who has not seen this movie, everyone can talk freely now to discuss it openly. I know who wins - and even though I voted differently, the right monster wins. I am also well aware of the main villain.
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Post by brobear on Apr 11, 2021 3:55:12 GMT -5
qwaszx! Two Kongs - Gorilla Beringei Kong ( classic King Kong ) and Titanus Kong ( the Toho Monster ). There is the classic original Kong who stood 18 feet tall ( this being in a human-like standing position ). Huge, big enough to give T-rex a good fight, but not the giant monster of a Godzilla movie. In the "over-done" 2005 Peter Jackson blockbuster, King Kong stood 25 feet tall. Why Peter Jackson thought he had to build a bigger Kong, I don't know. But, I do consider this to be the same Kong.
In the original 1933 classic, Kong stood 18 feet tall. However, the film-makers were not accurate in keeping to correct size proportions in each scene. Especially in the New York City scenes, Kong often appears much bigger. Even though Peter Jackson built a bigger Kong, he managed to hold to that size throughout his movie. King Kong of the 21st century 'MonsterVerse' is a totally different giant ape. This Kong stands 300 feet tall and walks bipedal. King Kong (1976), I consider this ( horrible movie ) King Kong to be the same ape as the classic King Kong - even though he walks bipedal like a Titanus Kong.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MonsterVerse godzilla.fandom.com/wiki/King_Kong_(MonsterVerse)
*And so, I will just have to consider this Kong as being a Godzilla monster unrealted from the giant gorilla from whom he stole his name. This Kong is of the species Titanus Kong - not a gorilla. He and all Godzilla monsters live out there in the multiverse - a totally different universe as the real King Kong. And so, when I get a chance to see it, I will simply enjoy it as I would an episode of Wile E. Coyote and the Road Runner.
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Post by tom on Apr 11, 2021 20:16:23 GMT -5
And now you understand my last statement on reply #41 about this movie having a "Terminator" likeness to it. I enjoyed it even though the plot was way out there for me. The CGI action scenes saved this movie from a so-so plot IMO.
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Post by brobear on Apr 12, 2021 4:04:26 GMT -5
Two King Kongs of the movies: King Kong - Gorilla Beringei Kong. 1- King Kong - 1933. 2- Son of Kong - 1933. 3- King Kong- 1976. 4- King Kong Lives - 1986. 5- King Kong - 2005.
King Kong - Titanus Kong. 1- King Kong vs Godzilla - 1962. 2- King Kong Escapes - 1967. 3- Kong: Skull Island - 2017. 4- Godzilla vs Kong - 2021. *Konga - 1961 unrelated. *'When Kong Became King' ( book ) prequel to the 1933 movie. King Kong - Gorilla Beringei Kong - is a species of gorilla, related to the African gorillas. No man has ever took a measuring tape to him, or put him onto a set of scales, but he is smaller than a Tyrannosaurus rex. King Kong - Titanus Kong - is a gigantic monster from deep beneath the surface of the world - the Hollow Earth. He is big enough to fight against Godzilla.
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Post by brobear on Apr 12, 2021 16:53:15 GMT -5
Quote: "In the original 1933 classic, Kong stood 18 feet tall. However, the film-makers were not accurate in keeping to correct size proportions in each scene. Especially in the New York City scenes, Kong often appears much bigger." *There is a specific reason why I feel that 18 feet tall should be Kong's absolute limit ( even though it is actually the absolute limit as to how small Kong has been portrayed in the movies ). Tyrannosaurus rex stood roughly 12 feet high at his shoulders and maybe as much as 20 feet tall - if he could stand straight-up like Godzilla - as in all of the dinosaur books of the 1950s. In the classic movie, Kong stood about two thirds the height of Rex. In the book I just finished reading, 'When Kong Became King', all prehistoric creatures are portrayed as accurately as possible. Kong is portrayed ( as in the original ) smaller than Tyrannosaurus rex.
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Post by brobear on Apr 12, 2021 23:53:51 GMT -5
The Kong Movies:
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Post by brobear on Apr 13, 2021 0:37:52 GMT -5
NEXT:
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 13, 2021 4:04:07 GMT -5
/\ That makes sense and explains why Titanis Kong is just as tall as godzilla.
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Post by brobear on Apr 13, 2021 5:52:12 GMT -5
King Kong - Gorilla Beringei Kong - is a species of gorilla, related to the African gorillas. No man has ever took a measuring tape to him, or put him onto a set of scales, but he is smaller than a Tyrannosaurus rex.
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Post by brobear on Apr 17, 2021 4:08:17 GMT -5
*I find the classic Kong as being at least plausible to anyone with an open mind - when done right. Tyrannosaurus rex carried the weight of a big bull African elephant. Because of his physical design, the Rex appears bigger than a bull elephant. Kong was roughly two-thirds or perhaps three-quarters the size of Rex. But, unfortunately, the movie-makers - regardless of what they say - do not attempt real quality. So, the classic Kong is usually portrayed anywhere from 25 to 60 feet tall - ridiculous! But, a little better than the 300-foot-tall monstrosity "Titanus Kong".
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Post by brobear on Apr 18, 2021 6:17:41 GMT -5
The Battle Ax - Hollywood's new obsession? For thousands of years, in Norse mythology, Thor welded a hammer named M'jolnir. When Stan Lee re-created Thor in 1962, Thor still has his mystic mallet. But then, the Disney-owned MCU decided to replace Thor's beloved hammer with a battle ax. King Kong, in 1933, was a gigantic gorilla - huge but smaller than a T-rex. He walked, as any other gorilla does, in the traditional gorilla knuckle-walk on all fours. Then along comes the "cinematic Monsterverse" which gives Kong a brand new origin, thus making him to be more of a bigfoot type creature from some weird ancient civilization. Not only does Kong now walk upright like a man ( or bigfoot ), but he now stands 300-feet tall - big enough to fight against Godzilla. Try to picture a 300-foot-tall ape on top of the Empire State Building being shot down by WW1 airplanes. On top of this, they give Kong a ( you guessed it ) a battle ax.
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Post by tom on Apr 18, 2021 7:02:11 GMT -5
The Battle Ax - Hollywood's new obsession? For thousands of years, in Norse mythology, Thor welded a hammer named M'jolnir. When Stan Lee re-created Thor in 1962, Thor still has his mystic mallet. But then, the Disney-owned MCU decided to replace Thor's beloved hammer with a battle ax. King Kong, in 1933, was a gigantic gorilla - huge but smaller than a T-rex. He walked, as any other gorilla does, in the traditional gorilla knuckle-walk on all fours. Then along comes the "cinematic Monsterverse" which gives Kong a brand new origin, thus making him to be more of a bigfoot type creature from some weird ancient civilization. Not only does Kong now walk upright like a man ( or bigfoot ), but he now stands 300-feet tall - big enough to fight against Godzilla. Try to picture a 300-foot-tall ape on top of the Empire State Building being shot down by WW1 airplanes. On top of this, they give Kong a ( you guessed it ) a battle ax. Yeah, that's one of the reasons I thought the new Kong movie plot wise was waaay to far out there for me. Special affects (CGI) was impressive though and is what saved the movie for me.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 18, 2021 11:43:22 GMT -5
Reply 13. King Kong riding the back of a much larger T. rex. That is interesting. As much as gorillas are powerful there is no way in real life they will defeat a T. rex. However, people can make whatever they want in fiction.
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Post by brobear on Apr 19, 2021 5:44:05 GMT -5
Quote: Yeah, that's one of the reasons I thought the new Kong movie plot wise was waaay to far out there for me. Special affects (CGI) was impressive though and is what saved the movie for me. *King Kong 2005 - best CGI ever. If not for the over-done action sequences, this would have been an A+ ( 4 star ) movie. Here is Titanus Kong vs Gorilla Beringei Kong:
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Post by brobear on Apr 19, 2021 6:09:32 GMT -5
King Kong - Gorilla Beringei Kong.
1- King Kong - 1933.......... Still the best ( IMO ) even though his size was changing from scene-to-scene. ( Loved the T-rex fight ). 2- Son of Kong - 1933....... Good, but too silly. ( Loved his fight with a cave bear ). 3- King Kong- 1976...... Poor, Kong walks bipedal like a bigfoot. Storyline changed completely. ( Loved the interaction between Kong and Dawn - Jessica Lange ). 4- King Kong Lives - 1986..... A juvenile movie but fun. 5- King Kong - 2005......... excellent except for the over-done action scenes aimed at teenager movie ticket buyers. ( CGI high quality ).
King Kong - Titanus Kong.
1- King Kong vs Godzilla - 1962. 2- King Kong Escapes - 1967. 3- Kong: Skull Island - 2017. 4- Godzilla vs Kong - 2021.
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Post by brobear on Apr 19, 2021 6:39:03 GMT -5
Reply 13. King Kong riding the back of a much larger T. rex. That is interesting. As much as gorillas are powerful there is no way in real life they will defeat a T. rex. However, people can make whatever they want in fiction. Actually, Tyrannosaurus rex stood roughly 12 feet high at the hip ( the proper way to measure a theropod dinosaur ). As seen on the movie, Kong stood a little taller than this, which would have made kong roughly 15 or 16 feet tall. It has been stated that ( on the island ) Kong stood 18 feet tall ( close enough ). Anyway, it was this King Kong vs T-rex that really made to movie. It's a shame that Peter Jackson decided on his 'Kung Fu Gorilla' who fought and defeated three T-rexes all at once.
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Post by brobear on Apr 19, 2021 7:59:13 GMT -5
Altogether, this lovable great ape - KING KONG - has simply been through too many changes. Fantasy pushed over the edge. At least Godzilla started out as being unbelievably gigantic.
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Post by brobear on Apr 20, 2021 4:51:38 GMT -5
IF I were to make a Kong movie. My hypothetical Kong movie trilogy: First of all, the dinosaurs and other prehistoric animals would be to correct scale ( as in Jurassic Park ). Since T-rex stood 12 feet high at the hips, my Kong would stand bipedal about 15 feet tall. Seriously, a great ape standing 15 feet tall would be a gigantic ape. Although "gorilla-like", my Kong would be a Gigantopithecus kong. His history; long long ago, a small population of Gigantopithecus blacki were stranded on Skull Island. In time, due to "island gigantism" these apes grew into real giants, double the size of those on the mainland ( which have become extinct ). The natives, unlike Kong, became effected by "island dwarfism" making them to become a tribe of very small pygmies. First movie; based on the book, "When Kong Became King" and would carry the same title. This is Kong's early years. Second movie, "The Capture of Kong" which is a full-length movie from the first half of the original. Third movie, "King Kong in New York City". *Very important - throughout all three movies, each and every scene, Kong will remain at proper size. The story 2nd and 3rd movies will take place in 1933. Kong will be, at this time, an older great ape, well past his prime, but still a "tough guy" ( like Van ). Therefore, when Kong dies, he has already lived a full life. In the book, 'King Kong vs Tarzan', Penjaga makes it clear that Kong has lived far longer than any man. The first movie would take place at an earlier ( unmentioned year ) when Kong is basically a teenager. ( perhaps around 9 feet tall ). *Basically, my Kong would be more like Mighty Joe Young in some respects. Ann Darrow will appear larger in his hands than in any existing versions.
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