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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 26, 2020 15:46:23 GMT -5
No because 100 lbs is not that great of a difference and the grizzly is greatly superior than the black bear in all other aspects, including fighting ability.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 15:49:19 GMT -5
No because 100 lbs is not that great of a difference and the grizzly is greatly superior than the black bear in all other aspects, including fighting ability. What if I were to increase the difference by 200? 600 lb black bear over a 400 lb grizzly?
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 26, 2020 15:49:49 GMT -5
My opinion is that weight is already 50% of the fight, especially if an animal has a 200 + lb weight advantage. That is why its called a "weight advantage", because its an advantage. Of course then we have the other 50%, which are all the other morphology advantages that one might have over the other, like fighting ability, strength, stamina, weapons, natural armour, aggressiveness, PC2 value (grappling ability), bite force, more robust limbs, more muscles.
A 200 lb weight advantage is quite large. A 200 lbs weight advantage consisting of primarily muscle is going to be superior compared to one that's mostly fat would you agree? Yeah, that is why i always like to use a 200+ lb weight advantage to say that a brown bear would defeat a lion/tiger 7/8 times out of 10. Less than 200 lbs is really not that much of a difference in my opinion.
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 26, 2020 15:55:10 GMT -5
Hmmmm, this one is tricky, if the grizzly is a subadult, maybe the blacky would win 6/10 times. If the grizzly is an adult like a barren ground grizzly, i say the grizzly wins 6/10. The thing is that the grizzly is just so much superior in all aspects to the blacky. The blacky would need like a 300 + lb weight advantage to beat an adult grizzly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 16:00:39 GMT -5
Hmmmm, this one is tricky, if the grizzly is a subadult, maybe the blacky would win 6/10 times. If the grizzly is an adult like a barren ground grizzly, i say the grizzly wins 6/10. The thing is that the grizzly is just so much superior in all aspects to the blacky. The blacky would need like a 300 + lb weight advantage to beat an adult grizzly. 300 is probably a bit overkill, but I somewhat agree. Brown bears PREY on black bears. I do wonder how an interaction would be for a brown bear to witness a much larger black bear or even one of similar size. Would he attempt to kill and consume it? Avoid it? Scare it away with intimidation? Be weary of it? Indifference?
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 26, 2020 16:14:25 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 26, 2020 17:22:07 GMT -5
Even a smaller grizzly will have a psychological edge over an exceptionally large male black bear. This is not to say the black bear can’t win if it had a decent weight advantage but the grizzly sees itself as boss over the black bear regardless.
Weight advantage does matter in a fight especially if the difference is moderately huge.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 17:24:49 GMT -5
Even a smaller grizzly will have a psychological edge over an exceptionally large male black bear. This is not to say the black bear can’t win if it had a decent weight advantage but the grizzly sees itself as boss over the black bear regardless. Weight advantage does matter in a fight especially if the difference is moderately huge. Now how much would you say is moderate? Would you back a large mastiff weighing 200 lbs over a grey wolf weighing 150 lbs?
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 26, 2020 17:27:04 GMT -5
I am talking about 100 to 150 pounds difference. 30 to 50 pounds is too little in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 17:30:37 GMT -5
I am talking about 100 to 150 pounds difference. 30 to 50 pounds is too little in my opinion. I love your signature. It describes how I feel about the tiger vs lion debate. Pointless discussion in my opinion. Do you feel the same about weight and size when it comes to humans?
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 26, 2020 18:05:58 GMT -5
I am talking about 100 to 150 pounds difference. 30 to 50 pounds is too little in my opinion. I love your signature. It describes how I feel about the tiger vs lion debate. Pointless discussion in my opinion. Do you feel the same about weight and size when it comes to humans? Thanks. I hardly participate in bear vs big cat topics as I have decided my winner. Bears are larger and stronger than big cats overall. Tiger vs lion: the topic which is eat popcorns. Regarding humans, we are generally more fragile than most animals and have more weak points. Personally, a larger human will generally be stronger than a smaller human and even fat people are stronger than skinny people. Yet exceptions do happen - a small trained fighters who knows the pressure points can beat a larger untrained person. Bears unlike humans do not suffer from obesity.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 26, 2020 18:10:05 GMT -5
Also even if both humans are well trained, a smaller Assasin can beat a Brawler in an ambush but not in a face to face fight.
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Post by brobear on Apr 27, 2020 2:20:15 GMT -5
Next to numbers, I would say that weight advantage would probably come in second place to the best advantage one animal can have over the other. But then poundage matters too. For large predators such as a lion, tiger, or bear, a 10 or 20 pound weight advantage is not a game changer but from roughly 40 pounds and up is. Besides weight, there is also size in terms of length and height. When one predator towers over the other, the bigger beast can more easily handle and maneuver the smaller animal. No different that a man 5 feet tall fighting a man 6 feet tall. Size/Weight matters. But there are many other advantages that might play into a fight. Sometimes the big boy goes down.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 27, 2020 2:57:26 GMT -5
Still regarding humans, there are exceptionally tough men who cannot easily be knocked out by other men.
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 27, 2020 7:23:38 GMT -5
Still regarding humans, there are exceptionally tough men who cannot easily be knocked out by other men. Yeah.....me.
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Post by brobear on Apr 27, 2020 11:20:17 GMT -5
So many things to consider. #1 - Numbers. This is a huge advantage. #2 - Experience. This is a great advantage if coupled with learning ability. #3 - Size and Weight. #4 - Strength and Leverage. #5 - Speed and Quick Reflexes. #6 - Agility. #7 - Natural Weapons. #8 - Natural Armor. #9 - Grappling Ability. #10 - Intelligence ( ability to adjust fighting technique according to adversary ). #11 - Bipedal Ability. #11 - Aggressiveness. #12 - Bite Force. *13 - Stamina. *14 - Endurance to Pain and Injury. *15 - Paw-Strike. *16 - Girth - thick build ( better able to withstand kicks, paw-strikes, etc. ). *17 - "Bulldog Build" - Among the multitude of dog breeds, the fighting dogs ( mostly bulldog breeds ) have a square-build ( not long or tall ) slightly bowed legs, and in-turned feet. These attributes of the bulldog breeds can also be found in the grizzly. These qualities provide excellent grappling ability. *18 - THE PLANTIGRADE POSTURE.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 27, 2020 19:19:54 GMT -5
I like this bear picture above. Personally, the brown bear is a good survivor even alone.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Apr 27, 2020 19:58:27 GMT -5
The brown bear on the picture above looks like a walking tank; truly a monster. That's probably one of those 1100lbs+ behemoths who keep bullying all the other bears over the richest food sources. I'll post a picture of an equally impressive polar bear tomorrow, they have the exact same frightening stare.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 27, 2020 20:01:22 GMT -5
The brown bear on the picture above looks like a walking tank; truly a monster. That's probably one of those 1100lbs+ behemoths who keep bullying all the other bears over the richest food sources. I'll post a picture of an equally impressive polar bear tomorrow, they have the exact same frightening stare. Old boars are generally more aggressive than their younger counterparts.
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 28, 2020 18:17:20 GMT -5
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