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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 7, 2019 8:57:13 GMT -5
A great example is the sloth bear. If sloth bears were not very agressive as they are, they would probably get completely dominated by bengal tigers. Agressiveness is what makes them protect their cubs successfully and fend of tigers and leopards. Perhaps it is a show of fearlessness and aggression than keeps polar bears from killing the much smaller grizzly invaders. Definatly, should be the reason. Morphology speaking, there is no other reason why a polar bear should not be able to attack or kill a much smaller grizzly.
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Post by brobear on Mar 7, 2019 9:49:23 GMT -5
So many things to consider.
#1 - Numbers. This is a huge advantage.
#2 - Experience. This is a great advantage if coupled with learning ability.
#3 - Size and Weight. #4 - Strength and Leverage. #5 - Speed and Quick Reflexes. #6 - Agility. #7 - Natural Weapons. #8 - Natural Armor. #9 - Grappling Ability. #10 - Intelligence. #11 - Bipedal Ability. #11 - Aggressiveness. #12 - Bite Force. *13 - Stamina. *14 - Endurance to Pain and Injury. Advantage #3 ... in a weight-parity face-off, we forfeit the grizzlies natural weight and size advantage and actually give the size advantage over to the big cat. Advantage #4 ... while the bear retains his advantage of better leverage, physical strength is now probably about equal between the two.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 7, 2019 10:18:51 GMT -5
So many things to consider.
#1 - Numbers. This is a huge advantage. Lions.
#2 - Experience. This is a great advantage if coupled with learning ability.
Bears have more experience in face to face fights than tigers but not more than lions.
#3 - Size and Weight.
Bear. #4 - Strength and Leverage. Bear.
#5 - Speed and Quick Reflexes. Big cats. #6 - Agility.
Big cats. #7 - Natural Weapons.
Canines-big cats. Claws-bears.
#8 - Natural Armor. Bears #9 - Grappling Ability.
Bears. #10 - Intelligence. Bears.
#11 - Bipedal Ability.
Bears. #11 - Aggressiveness.
Relative. Bears, lions, and tigers can all be very aggressive if pushed. #12 - Bite Force.
Same weight-advantage big cats. Brown bears with a 200 + lb weight advantage have a higher bite force. *13 - Stamina. Bear. *14 - Endurance to Pain and Injury.
Bears
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 7, 2019 10:23:57 GMT -5
I guess you included the bears superior face to face fighting technique in #2 ?
HEAD ON FIGHTING TECHNIQUE.
Let me just add that in my opinion, weight is already 50% of the fight. Then you also have to include all other advantages.
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Post by brobear on Mar 7, 2019 10:50:45 GMT -5
I guess you included the bears superior face to face fighting technique in #2 ?
HEAD ON FIGHTING TECHNIQUE.
Let me just add that in my opinion, weight is already 50% of the fight. Then you also have to include all other advantages.
Problem with weight-parity is, while their weight is equal, the bear is greatly down-sized. Picture two boxers in the ring. One man stands 6 feet tall and the other man stand 4 feet six inches tall. If the big cat measures 7 feet in head-and-body length and weighs 400 pounds while the bear measures 5 feet 6 inches long and weighs 400 pounds, their physical strength is then questionable. Which animal is stronger? We can guess, but we don't know.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 7, 2019 11:26:20 GMT -5
I guess you included the bears superior face to face fighting technique in #2 ?
HEAD ON FIGHTING TECHNIQUE.
Let me just add that in my opinion, weight is already 50% of the fight. Then you also have to include all other advantages.
Problem with weight-parity is, while their weight is equal, the bear is greatly down-sized. Picture two boxers in the ring. One man stands 6 feet tall and the other man stand 4 feet six inches tall. If the big cat measures 7 feet in head-and-body length and weighs 400 pounds while the bear measures 5 feet 6 inches long and weighs 400 pounds, their physical strength is then questionable. Which animal is stronger? We can guess, but we don't know. I completely agree brobear. at same weight, the bear might be shorter, but it still has many more advantages over felines, so IMO, at same weight, bears still win 6/10 times. I think you agree also with this. At same size, which is head and body length, the bear already weights alot more than felines, and IMO, weight is 50% of the fight. So add that to all the other advantages, bears would win at least 8/10 times.
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Post by brobear on Mar 7, 2019 11:39:17 GMT -5
Maybe we should simply take a reality check. In the R.F.E. where both the tiger and the grizzly live, the average mature male grizzly outweighs the average mature male tiger by roughly 200 pounds ( 91 kg ) even though they are pretty-much at length-parity. But, when we take a look at maximum sizes, the bear is double the tiger's weight. ( 500-pound tiger vs 1,000-pound grizzly ).
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 7, 2019 14:16:15 GMT -5
Maybe we should simply take a reality check. In the R.F.E. where both the tiger and the grizzly live, the average mature male grizzly outweighs the average mature male tiger by roughly 200 pounds ( 91 kg ) even though they are pretty-much at length-parity. But, when we take a look at maximum sizes, the bear is double the tiger's weight. ( 500-pound tiger vs 1,000-pound grizzly ). Yes sir. And since we are in the advantages thread, both at average weights, and max weights, the bear has a weight advantage from 200 to 500 lbs, or even more than the tiger. That there is 50% of the fight.
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Post by brobear on Mar 7, 2019 14:28:04 GMT -5
Maybe we should simply take a reality check. In the R.F.E. where both the tiger and the grizzly live, the average mature male grizzly outweighs the average mature male tiger by roughly 200 pounds ( 91 kg ) even though they are pretty-much at length-parity. But, when we take a look at maximum sizes, the bear is double the tiger's weight. ( 500-pound tiger vs 1,000-pound grizzly ). Yes sir. And since we are in the advantages thread, both at average weights, and max weights, the bear has a weight advantage from 200 to 500 lbs, or even more than the tiger. That there is 50% of the fight. As for me: mature male tiger vs mature male grizzly, I will wager my house, my car, my bank account, and all of my belongings including the clothes I'm wearing. That is how confident I am on the grizzly.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 7, 2019 14:38:19 GMT -5
Yes sir. And since we are in the advantages thread, both at average weights, and max weights, the bear has a weight advantage from 200 to 500 lbs, or even more than the tiger. That there is 50% of the fight. As for me: mature male tiger vs mature male grizzly, I will wager my house, my car, my bank account, and all of my belongings including the clothes I'm wearing. That is how confident I am on the grizzly. And you should be confident for sure. The bear wont let you down. As for me, i would put my LIFE on the line.
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Post by brobear on Mar 7, 2019 14:53:00 GMT -5
I guess you included the bears superior face to face fighting technique in #2 ?
HEAD ON FIGHTING TECHNIQUE.
Let me just add that in my opinion, weight is already 50% of the fight. Then you also have to include all other advantages.
#2 - Yes, face-to-face wrestling/fighting. Bears for certain. #7 - Natural Weapons... I would give this one a 50-50. All else I agree completely.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 7, 2019 17:41:55 GMT -5
I guess you included the bears superior face to face fighting technique in #2 ?
HEAD ON FIGHTING TECHNIQUE.
Let me just add that in my opinion, weight is already 50% of the fight. Then you also have to include all other advantages.
#2 - Yes, face-to-face wrestling/fighting. Bears for certain. #7 - Natural Weapons... I would give this one a 50-50. All else I agree completely. #7: natural weapons. You could be right yes. Claws for bear, and canines for big cats correct?
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Post by brobear on Mar 7, 2019 18:09:28 GMT -5
Claws: cat claws better for holding/gripping. Bear claws better for ripping tough hide ( can dig through near concrete-hard ground ). Both can cause considerable damage. Cat claws more likely to get hung-up in tough hide or tendons. ( house cats often get "caught" on upholstered furniture ). Teeth: Lion or tiger longer and generally sharper canines. Designed for biting down and holding for strangulation or suffocation. Grizzly canines thicker and deeply rooted for mauling and brawling.
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Post by BruteStrength on Mar 8, 2019 6:22:51 GMT -5
Agree a bear is a better version of a cat.
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Post by brobear on Mar 8, 2019 8:10:17 GMT -5
Agree a bear is a better version of a cat. A bear is not any version of a cat...?
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Post by BruteStrength on Mar 8, 2019 8:30:34 GMT -5
I think you misunderstood me. What Im saying is a bear is like a cat minus the agility with brute strength.
1. Better claws 2. Better Teeth 3. More bulk and mass 4. Longer fur 5. Better smell.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 8, 2019 10:12:37 GMT -5
I think you misunderstood me. What Im saying is a bear is like a cat minus the agility with brute strength. 1. Better claws 2. Better Teeth 3. More bulk and mass 4. Longer fur 5. Better smell. No Brute, lol, a bear is nowhere near like a cat. They are 2 very different animals. Actually its the opposite, bears are classified as “Caniforms”, which are dog-like animals.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caniformia
#2: big cats have longer and sharper teeth. The other 4 are correct.
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Post by BruteStrength on Mar 8, 2019 20:14:03 GMT -5
You 2 still don't get what Im saying. Perhaps it's how I worded it. I should have worded it better. I know a bear is not a cat. LIKE WTF. LMFAO I already know that a big cat and a bear is 2 different species. If you guys thought I meant that they're the same species then I don't know what to tell you. This is why I love the internet. All Im trying to say is everything that a big cat is equipped with a bear already has it but have it better. EXCEPT AGILITY. A bear is better than a cat in everything except agility. That's all I was trying to say. Come on guys let's use intelligence here. And of course a bear is not a cat. Yes a big cat have longer and sharper canines but I think a bear have better canines as it was explain in a different section of this site. But Im not sure 100% sure on who exactly have he better teeth because I could be wrong about a bear having better teeth. Since the canines on the bear isn't a long as a tiger shouldn't the bear have a bite with more psi?
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 8, 2019 20:30:15 GMT -5
I know Brute. Of course I know you did not mean that they are the same species, lmao. But you said this exactly “bear is like a cat minus the agility with brute strength” all i am saying is bears are actually dog-like.
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Post by BruteStrength on Mar 8, 2019 20:32:46 GMT -5
Oh ok. And yes I already knew that.
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