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Post by brobear on Sept 14, 2018 6:35:21 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 14, 2018 6:41:16 GMT -5
Wow nice. Those are really some massive gashes. Incredible what a bears claws can do. Its clear to me that for a face to face battle, the grizzlies claws do more damage and its a great advantage. Tigers claws are better for hunting.
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Post by brobear on Sept 14, 2018 7:25:53 GMT -5
When you look at a male grizzly ( picture or live ) if you do not see battle scars, you are looking at a young grizzly. Grizzly boars probably fight each other as often as male lions although less often to the death.
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Post by tom on Sept 14, 2018 9:20:39 GMT -5
The claim that an adult grizzly bear can decapitate a moose with one swipe of its paw is an established fact.
Since 1895, there have been 15 reported cases of Moose decapitation by Grizzly, and most scientists theorize it is a natural, albeit somewhat rare, event.I can't help but wonder if this is limited to Moose only or other game. Is there something unique about a Moose's head and neck that would allow it to become detached with a single swipe from a Grizzly? I would think the neck on a moose would be quite stout as he has some pretty spectacular head gear he's carrying around. Are there any accounts of the same happening to Bulls from the old pit fights when Grizzlies were matched against Spanish bulls?
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Post by tom on Sept 14, 2018 9:30:42 GMT -5
The claws of a grizzly produce horrible wounds. The claws are backed by a devastating paw-strike, or raked across his opponent's body with immense strength. Check out the pictures on the pages of site given.Yes and as devastating as they can be against other bears who have a much high fat layer plus a much heavier outer coat, the same affects against a thin skinned cat would be much more devastating. Heck I've seen the results of Grizzly mauling on humans where the claws literally peeled the scalp and face right off the person who was attacked. Massive muscle and tissue wounds to legs, shoulders and arms. Just in the last week a man from my home state of Minnesota was attacked by a Sow Grizzly in NW Wyoming where he had extensive damage to his back, arm and shoulder. It was confirmed by the Fish & Wildlife that she attacked as a defensive reason as she had cubs nearby. He was carrying Bear spray and was a seasoned hiker, but it happened so fast he didn't have time to deploy the spray. This tells me he surprised her and was inside that personal space that all Bears seem to have before they feel threatened.
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Post by brobear on Sept 14, 2018 9:40:29 GMT -5
No; perhaps the length of the neck contributes in some way. The only other animal beheaded by a grizzly that I have read about was the wolf as mentioned by Kodiak. There are those who reject the idea that a grizzly can deliver a devastating paw-strike because ( they claim ) they never witness this when grizzly boars brawl. Actually, they do. Not in every fight as a grizzly does not possess a preset fighting technique. But, I often see the paw-strikes in bear fights. Problem is, a grizzly's skull is thick-boned to absorb impact. Also, a bear's paw is specially designed to absorb impact. Add to this that a grizzly has a massively muscular neck. Therefore, when we see a one grizzly deliver a powerful paw-strike to another, it easily goes unnoticed.
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Post by brobear on Sept 14, 2018 9:47:11 GMT -5
Doug Peacock who studies grizzlies in the wild learned all about the grizzlies personal space and got it down to a science. In his book, "Grizzly Years" he gives just what that distance is... but my memory fails me. But, its as if the grizzly has this ( invisible ) circle that follows him; he can see it and expects us to as well.
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Post by tom on Sept 14, 2018 13:05:52 GMT -5
Personally, I think each Bear may have a different space depending on 1. if they are startled or suprised. 2. In the case of humans, how much human contact they are used to.
Remember the Grizzly documentary that had the Van and Alice stormy romance. In that same documentary, the camera crew came upon a Sow with cubs grazing in a meadow. She worked closer and closer to the crew to the point she was so close, the camera could pick up on the sound of her chewing.... Now that's close. But obviously she did not feel threatened for her cubs or herself. You could hear one of the guys talk to her softly as she got real close " Hey bear, not too close now...." but they were ready with the Bear spray... I would have messed in my pants.
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Post by brobear on Sept 14, 2018 13:18:04 GMT -5
I would have messed in my pants. Me too! I greatly respect and admire the grizzly. But, I could not roam around in grizzly country armed only with bear spray without jumping at each and every snap of a twig. In the Russian Far East, I would be even more concerned knowing that there be tigers in the woods. Think about it; tigers, grizzlies, and wild boars that can weigh as much as 700 pounds!
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Post by brobear on Sept 15, 2018 16:51:04 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Oct 15, 2018 17:16:27 GMT -5
BRAINS and BRAWN is better than brawn alone. Bears are well endowed with both. Pay close attention to bear cub's wrestling style. Bears are fighters.
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Post by brobear on Oct 16, 2018 6:33:18 GMT -5
Tiger cub playing with puppy:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 12:31:01 GMT -5
Awesome that bear cub took down that dog super fast. Bears=wrestlers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 0:12:24 GMT -5
Perhaps among humans, intelligence plays a role. Among other animals, I would not believe so.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 14, 2019 13:36:24 GMT -5
Intelligence definatly plays a role in a fight between 2 animals. Intelligence is an advantage. For example, Clyde Beatty said bears are better fighters than tigers because they protect their most vulnerable spot in combat, their nose, they come at you with their head down. Tigers rush in with everything on their first thrust, making them less cautious in a fight with a bear or lion. That is a flaw in the tigers attack technique.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 14, 2019 13:41:11 GMT -5
“Bears are careful battlers and strategists”
“Where a tiger makes an all out attack hoping to snag the jugular vein, the bear will feint and dodge, knowing he can wear down his foe.”
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Post by brobear on Jan 14, 2019 18:11:54 GMT -5
Consider that lion cubs, tiger cubs, and bear cubs all play rough games. If you watch closely and pay attention, the big cat cubs are mostly play-stalking and play-pouncing on their brothers and sisters. They are learning their hunting skills. And yes, they play-wrestle too. With bear cubs, its almost 100% play-wrestling. They are learning fighting skills. Learning = filling their brains with knowledge for future use. So yes, intelligence plays a critical role in a fight, especially against an antagonist that comes close to the bear's own weight, strength, and physical abilities such as a bull or a big cat.
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Post by brobear on Mar 7, 2019 7:20:28 GMT -5
Aggressiveness: This advantage is largely misunderstood. This does not mean blindly and stupidly charging into the horns of a bull. It means to keep fighting, keep moving forward, and regardless of pain and injury to keep fighting. Very often sheer aggression wins a fight because your opponent feels intimidated and fearful of you. Some smaller carnivores have learned to use a show of aggression to bluff and intimidate larger predators. Examples: wolverine, honey badger, Tasmanian devil.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 7, 2019 7:53:07 GMT -5
A great example is the sloth bear. If sloth bears were not very agressive as they are, they would probably get completely dominated by bengal tigers. Agressiveness is what makes them protect their cubs successfully and fend of tigers and leopards.
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Post by brobear on Mar 7, 2019 8:39:18 GMT -5
A great example is the sloth bear. If sloth bears were not very agressive as they are, they would probably get completely dominated by bengal tigers. Agressiveness is what makes them protect their cubs successfully and fend of tigers and leopards. Perhaps it is a show of fearlessness and aggression than keeps polar bears from killing the much smaller grizzly invaders.
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