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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 5, 2021 9:09:25 GMT -5
How about the bear having a heavier, larger, and stronger skull overall though?
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Post by brobear on Jun 5, 2021 9:15:58 GMT -5
How about the bear having a heavier, larger, and stronger skull overall though? This is TRUE.
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Post by brobear on Jun 19, 2021 8:19:51 GMT -5
Ok so here is Brobear's updated list (which we all agree with), i added #23, power.
1- Numbers - ( the greatest advantage of all ) - L. 2- Experience - L / B / T. 3- Speed and Quick Reflexes - L&T - B. ( slightly ). 4- Agility - L&T - B. 5- Jaws and Teeth - T&L / B. 6- Claws - B / T&L. 7- Size and Weight - B / T / L. 8- Strength and Leverage - B / T&L. 9- Grappling Ability - B / L&T. 10- Intelligence - B / L&T. 11- Bipedal Ability - B / L&T. 12- Aggressiveness - 50/50. 13- Stamina - B / L&T. 14- Endurance to Pain and Injury - B / L&T. 15- Paw-Strike - B / L&T. 16- Durability / Girth - B / L&T. 17- "Bulldog Build" - B. 18- Plantigrade Posture - B. 19- Stability - B / L&T. 20- Tiny Eyes- B / L&T. 21- Shoulder Hump ( reinforces upper-body strength ) - B. 22- Power - L&T / B. 23- Push Strength - B / L&T. 24- Pull Strength - L&T / B. 25- Willingness to Fight Face-to-Face - B&L / T.
Number #16: Durability / Girth. By more durable, the brown bear is built thicker which includes longer hair, tough skin, a substantial layer of fat ( seasonally ), and a thick layer of muscles, all adding-up to give the bear more padding between an adversary's claws or teeth and vital organs. This fact was discovered by the Lewis and Clark expedition. They soon discovered that the rifles which were adequate for killing an Eastern black bear were not powerful enough to be trusted against a grizzly. A rifle that can easily kill a large black bear, I'm sure, is powerful enough to take down a lion or a tiger. However, this durability offered by his greater girth is not a suit of armor. The claws of an adversary can still cause considerable pain and injury. I have seen pictures of brown bears terribly mauled in fights with a fellow brown bear. Some of those battle scars are absolutely horrific.
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Post by brobear on Oct 6, 2021 3:48:07 GMT -5
Bipedal - www.livescience.com/why-predators-dont-attack-humans.html Humans are practically defenseless. Why don't wild animals attack us more? "They are more afraid of you than you are of them" is a saying that is often used to reassure hikers that even large predators, such as bears and pumas, pose little threat to us. But humans are slower and weaker than these animals, so what stops these beasts from snacking on every clothed ape they come across? There are a few likely reasons why they don't attack more often. Looking at our physiology, humans evolved to be bipedal — going from moving with all four limbs to walking upright on longer legs, according to John Hawks, a paleoanthropologist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. "There is a threat level that comes from being bipedal," Hawks told Live Science. "And when we look at other primates — chimpanzees, gorillas, for instance — they stand to express threats. Becoming larger in appearance is threatening, and that is a really easy way of communicating to predators that you are trouble." Bipedalism may make humans appear bigger and therefore more threatening to other species, but it also has disadvantages. It is typically slower to move on two legs than on four, meaning humans have abandoned any pretext of outrunning any four-legged creature, according to Hawks. "It's sort of like a bluff," Hawks said. "It's like, 'I'm walking around; I'm tough; I'm showing where I am on a landscape.'" Predators see the upright stance and assume humans are tougher than we actually are, according to Hawks. However, even if they were to call our bipedal bluff, predators have other reasons to leave us alone. Larger primates, such as humans and chimps, live in groups and adopted the strategy of aggressively defending themselves against threats, which usually works against predators, Hawks said. Being social has therefore helped keep us safe, along with the benefits of bipedalism. As human technology advanced, we developed an arsenal of advanced weapons, such as bows and guns, that could be used from a distance. With these weapons, humans became so deadly that they began taking the fight to predators.
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Post by brobear on Feb 12, 2022 23:14:22 GMT -5
Omnivore Kleptoparasite vs ambush predator. Something to consider. Let's say that a full-grown male Amur tiger ambushes this full-grown male Ussuri brown bear. How exactly does the tiger kill the brown bear? Each and every bear killed by a tiger, and afterwards examined by biologists, was killed by a bite to the back of the neck at the base of the skull. However, a full-grown male brown bear's neck is even bigger than his skull and too thick for a tiger to make a quick kill. The bear would simply throw the tiger off of his back and kill him. A big cat never kills and prey animal with a skull bite whose skull is as big as that of an adult male brown bear. Only other target is the throat. But, strangulation, even if the tiger were to achieve the unlikely and get past those massive arms and claws and wrap his jaws around the bear's throat, is time consuming. Meanwhile, the tiger is being shredded by grizzly claws. It is unlikely that the tiger could maintain his strangle hold long enough to kill the bear. *This is why I estimate the Amur tiger's chances against an Ussuri brown bear as thus: 1- In a face-off - brown bear wins 19 out of 20. 2- In an ambush - brown bear wins 9 out of 10.
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Post by Montezuma on Feb 14, 2022 6:34:38 GMT -5
It is to be noted that stamina is a very important factor in a fight. Tigers lack stamina which does not makes them a good fighter. The loss of stamina means you are lossing your energy, speed and strength or even aggression as you loss the feul stamina.
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Post by brobear on Mar 22, 2022 4:49:42 GMT -5
In our section: 'Bears in General', we have the topic, 'Bears surviving in Africa'. It's pretty-much unanimous among our bear fans that despite the generous amount of advantages that a brown bear has over a big cat, numbers still prevail as a game-changer.
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Post by brobear on Mar 27, 2022 6:31:35 GMT -5
Advantages and Disadvantages in a face-off ( divided-up ) LION 1- Numbers. ________________________ LION and TIGER 1- Speed. 2- Agility. 3- Jaws and Teeth. 4- Power. 5- Pull Strength. _____________________________________ BROWN BEAR 1- Size and Weight. 2- Strength and Leverage. 3- Grappling Ability. 4- Intelligence. 5- Bipedal Ability. 6- Stamina. 7- Endurance to Pain and Injury. 8- Paw-Strike. 9- Durability / Girth. 10- "Bulldog Build". 11- Plantigrade Posture. 12- Stability. 13- Tiny Eyes. 14- Shoulder Hump ( reinforces upper-body strength ). 15- Push Strength. 16- Willingness to Fight Face-to-Face. ________________________________________________
Equal or Depending Upon Individual: 1- Experience. 2- Claws. 3- Aggressiveness. 4- Quick Reflexes.
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Post by brobear on Apr 8, 2022 3:41:09 GMT -5
From Reply #227 ( Lion and Tiger ) 1- Speed: The running speed of a brown bear is 30mph. Reportedly, in a short dash, a brown bear might reach roughly 40 mph. The running speed of a lion or tiger is ( correct me if I'm wrong ) 35 mph. In that short burst of speed used in executing an ambush attack, lions and tigers have been estimated at reaching somewhere between 50 and 60 mph. 2- Agility: A brown bear is far more agile that an observer would expect him to be for such a heavy-built animal. But, a cat is a contortionist. He can twist and turn almost as if he has a reptilian spine. 3- Jaws and teeth: At size-parity ( which means equal HB length ) a big cat has stronger jaws than a brown bear. This does not mean that the bear has a weak bite. Lions and tigers both have longer canine teeth than a brown bear. However, the bear's teeth are thick and deeply rooted; great for brawling. 4- Power: A big cat ( as I understand it ) has more explosive energy than the brown bear - for a limited amount of time. 5- Pull-Strength: This does not mean that a lion or a tiger can outmatch a brown bear in a tug-o-war contest. The big cat has more pull-strength in his arms than the bear. This pull-strength is aided by his deeply-hooked retractable claws. This strength is used to pull down large prey such as a buffalo.
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Post by brobear on Apr 8, 2022 7:12:26 GMT -5
From Reply #227 ( Equal or Depending Upon Individual: ) 1- Experience: This advantage clearly depends on each individual animal. Lion vs tiger; in some cases the lion might have more experience, while in another confrontation, the tiger might have more fighting experience. Same holds true with big cat vs bear. 2- Claws: The claws of a cat are sharper due to the fact that they are retractable. A big cat's claws are deeply hooked for the purpose of holding onto a large prey animal so as to pull him down. On the flip side, those deeply hooked claws can get caught in the tough hide of his prey or adversary, just as the claws of a house cat often gets hung-up on padded furniture in a house. This can be a major disadvantage in a fight. The claws of a brown bear are long with a shallower curve. Although less sharp than the claws of a big cat, they are sharp enough to do considerable damage, much like the long claws of an unclipped dog. 3- Aggressiveness: Here again, this advantage goes to the individual. In some cases the lion, in some cases the tiger, and in some cases the bear. 4- Quick Reflexes: All three of these magnificent predators have superb reflexes.
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Post by brobear on Apr 8, 2022 7:57:46 GMT -5
From Reply #227 ( BROWN BEAR ) 1- Size and Weight: The average brown bear is larger and heavier than the largest lion or tiger. The max brown bear is larger and heavier than the max lion or tiger. 2- Strength and Leverage: The brown bear has far superior over-all strength than any big cat. Because of his broader build ( feet further apart ) and shorter back, the brown bear has superior leverage. 3- Grappling Ability: A bear has a greater range of motion in his arms ( fore-limbs ). 4- Intelligence: Bears are grouped among the smartest of mammals along with the great apes, elephants, and Cetaceans. Although the measuring of animal intelligence is not a fool-proof science, many biologists and animal trainers agree. 5- Bipedal Ability: Big cats often start a fight on their hind legs delivering paw swipes. Not even a great ape has greater bipedal ability than a bear. 6- Stamina: A cat has poor stamina due to roughly 20 million years of ambush predation. A brown bear has very good stamina. Doug Peacock once observed a grizzly running 10 miles non-stop, after which he remained active. 7- Endurance to Pain and Injury: There is no way to prove who has this advantage. Any experimentation would include animal cruelty. But, from my reading of the grizzly; the brown bear certainly has my vote. 8- Paw-Strike: To my knowledge, the force of the paw-strike of the lion, the tiger, and the brown bear has never been scientifically measured. However, considering that at size-parity ( equal HB length ) the bear is stronger, the bear has a greater range of motion in his arms, and the brown bear in particular has a shoulder hump of muscles which reinforces his upper-body strength above that of other bear species at equal size, there remains no lingering doubt that the brown bear wins this contest. 9- Durability / Girth: Being broader in build with more fat and muscle covering his inner vitals, the bear has this one. 10- "Bulldog Build": There is a reason why among dogs, the bull-breeds are the fiercest fighters. Like a bulldog, a bear has a broad build which gives the impression of a short back. His slightly bowed legs and in-turned feet provides a superior grip ( bear hug ). 11- Plantigrade Posture: Being firmly planted on the ground rather than standing on his tippy-toes adds to the bear's superior stability. 12- Stability: Besides his plantigrade posture, the broad heavy build of the bear with his feet spaced apart makes him harder to knock down. We could compare a dining room table ( bear ) to a park bench ( lion or tiger ). 13- Tiny Eyes: A brown bear has relatively tiny eyes; a more difficult target. 14- Shoulder Hump ( reinforces upper-body strength ): this is why pound-for-pound, the brown bear is the strongest of bears. 15- Push Strength: While the big cat has superior pull strength, a bear has greater push strength. 16- Willingness to Fight Face-to-Face: This is a major advantage. Big cats are specialist predators - they are ambush predators. A big cat hates a face-to-face confrontation. This is the reason a big male tiger will most often walk away from even a female sloth bear when she musters-up the courage to stand her ground in defense. This is why a man is safe in tiger country when he wears a face mask on the back of his head. This is why lions will not attack cattle who has eyes painted onto their hind-quarters. This is the reason for the big V on the chest of the smaller Asiatic bears ( sun bear, sloth bear, and moon bear ). A brown bear will go head-on against prey or adversary with no reluctance.
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Post by brobear on Apr 30, 2022 0:19:06 GMT -5
3- Jaws and teeth: At size-parity ( which means equal HB length ) a big cat has stronger jaws than a brown bear. This does not mean that the bear has a weak bite. Lions and tigers both have longer canine teeth than a brown bear. However, the bear's teeth are thick and deeply rooted; great for brawling. *Unlike weight, strength, durability, and stamina, bite-force is not a game changer when both adversaries each have a bite-force strong enough to do damage to the other.
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Post by brobear on Jun 5, 2022 2:59:48 GMT -5
Here is an interesting post from Verdugo: Quote - Do you have reasons to believe that Cats are lb 4 lb more formidable than Bears? I already posted my source on deltoid and pectoral muscles, of which Bears have the advantage...
Also, let not forget that Bears are plantigrade while Cats are digitigrade. Assuming all else equals, plantigrade is more advantageous at force generating and stability because...physics. You can read this study as well, this study is based on Great apes but the same principles would apply: "We found that plantigrade posture substantially increased the capacity to apply free moments to the ground and to perform a variety of behaviors that are likely to be important to fighting performance in great apes. As predicted, performance in maximal effort lateral striking and pushing was strongly correlated with free moment magnitude. All else being equal, these results suggest species that can adopt plantigrade posture will be able to apply larger free moments to the ground than species restricted to digitigrade or unguligrade foot posture. Additionally, these results are consistent with the suggestion that selection for physical competition may have been one of the factors that led to the evolution of the derived plantigrade foot posture of great apes"
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Post by yz on Jun 5, 2022 5:04:56 GMT -5
3- Jaws and teeth: At size-parity ( which means equal HB length ) a big cat has stronger jaws than a brown bear. This does not mean that the bear has a weak bite. Lions and tigers both have longer canine teeth than a brown bear. However, the bear's teeth are thick and deeply rooted; great for brawling. *Unlike weight, strength, durability, and stamina, bite-force is not a game changer when both adversaries each have a bite-force strong enough to do damage to the other. Besides, bears (especially brown and sloth bears ) make up for it with their longer claws. According to a study i found, the longer the claws , the more effective they are for breaking soil. And if they are effective for doing such thing, they should be able to inflict serious damage too.
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Post by yz on Jun 5, 2022 14:41:39 GMT -5
3- Jaws and teeth: At size-parity ( which means equal HB length ) a big cat has stronger jaws than a brown bear. This does not mean that the bear has a weak bite. Lions and tigers both have longer canine teeth than a brown bear. However, the bear's teeth are thick and deeply rooted; great for brawling. *Unlike weight, strength, durability, and stamina, bite-force is not a game changer when both adversaries each have a bite-force strong enough to do damage to the other. It's interesting to note that pandas and sun bears have stronger bite forces than cats pfp : pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17479753/The Polar Bear also seems to have a stronger bite than the American lion pfp : onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1558-5646.2007.00101.x
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Post by brobear on Jun 19, 2022 4:21:33 GMT -5
Big Cat vs Brown Bear: 1- Speed: The running speed of a brown bear is 30mph. Reportedly, in a short dash, a brown bear might reach roughly 40 mph. The running speed of a lion or tiger is ( correct me if I'm wrong ) 35 mph. In that short burst of speed used in executing an ambush attack, lions and tigers have been estimated at reaching somewhere between 50 and 60 mph. 2- Quickness: I consider this as being different from speed. Example: A cheetah can run faster than a leopard but I'm pretty sure that a leopard is quicker in a fight. A brown bear is not slow but I believe that a big cat is just a little quicker. 3- Agility: A brown bear is far more agile that an observer would expect him to be for such a heavy-built animal. But, a cat is a contortionist. He can twist and turn almost as if he has a reptilian spine.
4- Jaws and teeth: At size-parity ( which means equal HB length ) a big cat has stronger jaws than a brown bear. This does not mean that the bear has a weak bite. Lions and tigers both have longer canine teeth than a brown bear. However, the bear's teeth are thick and deeply rooted; great for brawling.
5- Power: A big cat ( as I understand it ) has more explosive energy than the brown bear - for a limited amount of time.
6- Pull-Strength: This does not mean that a lion or a tiger can outmatch a brown bear in a tug-o-war contest. The big cat has more pull-strength in his arms than the bear. This pull-strength is aided by his deeply-hooked retractable claws. This strength is used to pull down large prey such as a buffalo. 7- Experience: This advantage clearly depends on each individual animal. Lion vs tiger; in some cases the lion might have more experience, while in another confrontation, the tiger might have more fighting experience. Same holds true with big cat vs bear.
8- Claws: The claws of a cat are sharper due to the fact that they are retractable. A big cat's claws are deeply hooked for the purpose of holding onto a large prey animal so as to pull him down. On the flip side, those deeply hooked claws can get caught in the tough hide of his prey or adversary, just as the claws of a house cat often gets hung-up on padded furniture in a house. This can be a major disadvantage in a fight. The claws of a brown bear are long with a shallower curve. Although less sharp than the claws of a big cat, they are sharp enough to do considerable damage, much like the long claws of an unclipped dog.
9- Aggressiveness: Here again, this advantage goes to the individual. In some cases the lion, in some cases the tiger, and in some cases the bear.
10- Quick Reflexes: All three of these magnificent predators have superb reflexes. 11- Size and Weight: The average brown bear is larger and heavier than the average lion or tiger. The max brown bear is larger and heavier than the max lion or tiger.
12- Strength and Leverage: The brown bear has far superior over-all strength than any big cat. Because of his broader build ( feet further apart ) and shorter back, the brown bear has superior leverage.
13- Grappling Ability: A bear has a greater range of motion in his arms ( fore-limbs ). Plus, bear cubs constantly play-wrestle while kittens play-ambush.
14- Intelligence: Bears are grouped among the smartest of mammals along with the great apes, elephants, and Cetaceans. Although the measuring of animal intelligence is not a fool-proof science, many biologists and animal trainers agree.
15- Bipedal Ability: Big cats often start a fight on their hind legs delivering paw swipes. Not even a great ape has greater bipedal ability than a bear.
16- Stamina: A cat has poor stamina due to roughly 20 million years of ambush predation. A brown bear has very good stamina. Doug Peacock once observed a grizzly running 10 miles non-stop, after which he remained active.
17- Endurance to Pain and Injury: There is no way to prove who has this advantage. Any experimentation would include animal cruelty. But, from my reading of the grizzly; the brown bear certainly has my vote.
18- Paw-Strike: To my knowledge, the force of the paw-strike of the lion, the tiger, and the brown bear has never been scientifically measured. However, considering that at size-parity ( equal HB length ) the bear is stronger, the bear has a greater range of motion in his arms, and the brown bear in particular has a shoulder hump of muscles which reinforces his upper-body strength above that of other bear species at equal size, there remains no lingering doubt that the brown bear wins this contest.
19- Durability / Girth: Being broader in build with more fat and muscle covering his inner vitals, the bear has this one.
20- "Bulldog Build": There is a reason why among dogs, the bull-breeds are the fiercest fighters. Like a bulldog, a bear has a broad build which gives the impression of a short back. His slightly bowed legs and in-turned feet provides a superior grip ( bear hug ).
21- Plantigrade Posture: Being firmly planted on the ground rather than standing on his tippy-toes adds to the bear's superior stability.
22- Stability: Besides his plantigrade posture, the broad heavy build of the bear with his feet spaced apart makes him harder to knock down. We could compare a dining room table ( bear ) to a park bench ( lion or tiger ).
23- Tiny Eyes: A brown bear has relatively tiny eyes; a more difficult target.
24- Shoulder Hump ( reinforces upper-body strength ): this is why pound-for-pound, the brown bear is the strongest of bears.
25- Push Strength: While the big cat has superior pull strength, a bear has greater push strength. 26- Willingness to Fight Face-to-Face: This is a major advantage. Big cats are specialist predators - they are ambush predators. A big cat hates a face-to-face confrontation. This is the reason a big male tiger will most often walk away from even a female sloth bear when she musters-up the courage to stand her ground in defense. This is why a man is safe in tiger country when he wears a face mask on the back of his head. This is why lions will not attack cattle who has eyes painted onto their hind-quarters. This is the reason for the big V on the chest of the smaller Asiatic bears ( sun bear, sloth bear, and moon bear ).
A brown bear will go head-on against prey or adversary with no reluctance.
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Post by yz on Jun 19, 2022 4:32:29 GMT -5
Big Cat vs Brown Bear: 1- Speed: The running speed of a brown bear is 30mph. Reportedly, in a short dash, a brown bear might reach roughly 40 mph. The running speed of a lion or tiger is ( correct me if I'm wrong ) 35 mph. In that short burst of speed used in executing an ambush attack, lions and tigers have been estimated at reaching somewhere between 50 and 60 mph. 2- Quickness: I consider this as being different from speed. Example: A cheetah can run faster than a leopard but I'm pretty sure that a leopard is quicker in a fight. A brown bear is not slow but I believe that a big cat is just a little quicker. 3- Agility: A brown bear is far more agile that an observer would expect him to be for such a heavy-built animal. But, a cat is a contortionist. He can twist and turn almost as if he has a reptilian spine. 4- Jaws and teeth: At size-parity ( which means equal HB length ) a big cat has stronger jaws than a brown bear. This does not mean that the bear has a weak bite. Lions and tigers both have longer canine teeth than a brown bear. However, the bear's teeth are thick and deeply rooted; great for brawling. 5- Power: A big cat ( as I understand it ) has more explosive energy than the brown bear - for a limited amount of time. 6- Pull-Strength: This does not mean that a lion or a tiger can outmatch a brown bear in a tug-o-war contest. The big cat has more pull-strength in his arms than the bear. This pull-strength is aided by his deeply-hooked retractable claws. This strength is used to pull down large prey such as a buffalo. 7- Experience: This advantage clearly depends on each individual animal. Lion vs tiger; in some cases the lion might have more experience, while in another confrontation, the tiger might have more fighting experience. Same holds true with big cat vs bear. 8- Claws: The claws of a cat are sharper due to the fact that they are retractable. A big cat's claws are deeply hooked for the purpose of holding onto a large prey animal so as to pull him down. On the flip side, those deeply hooked claws can get caught in the tough hide of his prey or adversary, just as the claws of a house cat often gets hung-up on padded furniture in a house. This can be a major disadvantage in a fight. The claws of a brown bear are long with a shallower curve. Although less sharp than the claws of a big cat, they are sharp enough to do considerable damage, much like the long claws of an unclipped dog. 9- Aggressiveness: Here again, this advantage goes to the individual. In some cases the lion, in some cases the tiger, and in some cases the bear. 10- Quick Reflexes: All three of these magnificent predators have superb reflexes. 11- Size and Weight: The average brown bear is larger and heavier than the average lion or tiger. The max brown bear is larger and heavier than the max lion or tiger. 12- Strength and Leverage: The brown bear has far superior over-all strength than any big cat. Because of his broader build ( feet further apart ) and shorter back, the brown bear has superior leverage. 13- Grappling Ability: A bear has a greater range of motion in his arms ( fore-limbs ). 14- Intelligence: Bears are grouped among the smartest of mammals along with the great apes, elephants, and Cetaceans. Although the measuring of animal intelligence is not a fool-proof science, many biologists and animal trainers agree. 15- Bipedal Ability: Big cats often start a fight on their hind legs delivering paw swipes. Not even a great ape has greater bipedal ability than a bear. 16- Stamina: A cat has poor stamina due to roughly 20 million years of ambush predation. A brown bear has very good stamina. Doug Peacock once observed a grizzly running 10 miles non-stop, after which he remained active. 17- Endurance to Pain and Injury: There is no way to prove who has this advantage. Any experimentation would include animal cruelty. But, from my reading of the grizzly; the brown bear certainly has my vote. 18- Paw-Strike: To my knowledge, the force of the paw-strike of the lion, the tiger, and the brown bear has never been scientifically measured. However, considering that at size-parity ( equal HB length ) the bear is stronger, the bear has a greater range of motion in his arms, and the brown bear in particular has a shoulder hump of muscles which reinforces his upper-body strength above that of other bear species at equal size, there remains no lingering doubt that the brown bear wins this contest. 19- Durability / Girth: Being broader in build with more fat and muscle covering his inner vitals, the bear has this one. 20- "Bulldog Build": There is a reason why among dogs, the bull-breeds are the fiercest fighters. Like a bulldog, a bear has a broad build which gives the impression of a short back. His slightly bowed legs and in-turned feet provides a superior grip ( bear hug ). 21- Plantigrade Posture: Being firmly planted on the ground rather than standing on his tippy-toes adds to the bear's superior stability. 22- Stability: Besides his plantigrade posture, the broad heavy build of the bear with his feet spaced apart makes him harder to knock down. We could compare a dining room table ( bear ) to a park bench ( lion or tiger ). 23- Tiny Eyes: A brown bear has relatively tiny eyes; a more difficult target. 24- Shoulder Hump ( reinforces upper-body strength ): this is why pound-for-pound, the brown bear is the strongest of bears. 25- Push Strength: While the big cat has superior pull strength, a bear has greater push strength. 26- Willingness to Fight Face-to-Face: This is a major advantage. Big cats are specialist predators - they are ambush predators. A big cat hates a face-to-face confrontation. This is the reason a big male tiger will most often walk away from even a female sloth bear when she musters-up the courage to stand her ground in defense. This is why a man is safe in tiger country when he wears a face mask on the back of his head. This is why lions will not attack cattle who has eyes painted onto their hind-quarters. This is the reason for the big V on the chest of the smaller Asiatic bears ( sun bear, sloth bear, and moon bear ). A brown bear will go head-on against prey or adversary with no reluctance. One advantage I'd like to add is that the Brown Bear's overall more robust bone structure would provide good resistance to the big Cats ' bites and paw swipes.
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Post by brobear on Jun 19, 2022 5:37:24 GMT -5
Thank you yz; I will add that to, Durability.
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Post by brobear on Jun 19, 2022 5:39:20 GMT -5
Big Cat vs Brown Bear: 1- Speed: The running speed of a brown bear is 30mph. Reportedly, in a short dash, a brown bear might reach roughly 40 mph. The running speed of a lion or tiger is ( correct me if I'm wrong ) 35 mph. In that short burst of speed used in executing an ambush attack, lions and tigers have been estimated at reaching somewhere between 50 and 60 mph. 2- Quickness: I consider this as being different from speed. Example: A cheetah can run faster than a leopard but I'm pretty sure that a leopard is quicker in a fight. A brown bear is not slow but I believe that a big cat is just a little quicker. 3- Agility: A brown bear is far more agile that an observer would expect him to be for such a heavy-built animal. But, a cat is a contortionist. He can twist and turn almost as if he has a reptilian spine. 4- Jaws and teeth: At size-parity ( which means equal HB length ) a big cat has stronger jaws than a brown bear. This does not mean that the bear has a weak bite. Lions and tigers both have longer canine teeth than a brown bear. However, the bear's teeth are thick and deeply rooted; great for brawling. 5- Power: A big cat ( as I understand it ) has more explosive energy than the brown bear - for a limited amount of time. 6- Pull-Strength: This does not mean that a lion or a tiger can outmatch a brown bear in a tug-o-war contest. The big cat has more pull-strength in his arms than the bear. This pull-strength is aided by his deeply-hooked retractable claws. This strength is used to pull down large prey such as a buffalo. 7- Experience: This advantage clearly depends on each individual animal. Lion vs tiger; in some cases the lion might have more experience, while in another confrontation, the tiger might have more fighting experience. Same holds true with big cat vs bear. 8- Claws: The claws of a cat are sharper due to the fact that they are retractable. A big cat's claws are deeply hooked for the purpose of holding onto a large prey animal so as to pull him down. On the flip side, those deeply hooked claws can get caught in the tough hide of his prey or adversary, just as the claws of a house cat often gets hung-up on padded furniture in a house. This can be a major disadvantage in a fight. The claws of a brown bear are long with a shallower curve. Although less sharp than the claws of a big cat, they are sharp enough to do considerable damage, much like the long claws of an unclipped dog. 9- Aggressiveness: Here again, this advantage goes to the individual. In some cases the lion, in some cases the tiger, and in some cases the bear. 10- Quick Reflexes: All three of these magnificent predators have superb reflexes. 11- Size and Weight: The average brown bear is larger and heavier than the average lion or tiger. The max brown bear is larger and heavier than the max lion or tiger. 12- Strength and Leverage: The brown bear has far superior over-all strength than any big cat. Because of his broader build ( feet further apart ) and shorter back, the brown bear has superior leverage. 13- Grappling Ability: A bear has a greater range of motion in his arms ( fore-limbs ). 14- Intelligence: Bears are grouped among the smartest of mammals along with the great apes, elephants, and Cetaceans. Although the measuring of animal intelligence is not a fool-proof science, many biologists and animal trainers agree. 15- Bipedal Ability: Big cats often start a fight on their hind legs delivering paw swipes. Not even a great ape has greater bipedal ability than a bear. 16- Stamina: A cat has poor stamina due to roughly 20 million years of ambush predation. A brown bear has very good stamina. Doug Peacock once observed a grizzly running 10 miles non-stop, after which he remained active. 17- Endurance to Pain and Injury: There is no way to prove who has this advantage. Any experimentation would include animal cruelty. But, from my reading of the grizzly; the brown bear certainly has my vote. 18- Paw-Strike: To my knowledge, the force of the paw-strike of the lion, the tiger, and the brown bear has never been scientifically measured. However, considering that at size-parity ( equal HB length ) the bear is stronger, the bear has a greater range of motion in his arms, and the brown bear in particular has a shoulder hump of muscles which reinforces his upper-body strength above that of other bear species at equal size, there remains no lingering doubt that the brown bear wins this contest. 19- Durability / Girth: Being broader in build with more fat and muscle covering his inner vitals, the bear has this one. Brown Bear's overall more robust bone structure would provide good resistance to the big Cats ' bites and paw swipes. 20- "Bulldog Build": There is a reason why among dogs, the bull-breeds are the fiercest fighters. Like a bulldog, a bear has a broad build which gives the impression of a short back. His slightly bowed legs and in-turned feet provides a superior grip ( bear hug ). 21- Plantigrade Posture: Being firmly planted on the ground rather than standing on his tippy-toes adds to the bear's superior stability. 22- Stability: Besides his plantigrade posture, the broad heavy build of the bear with his feet spaced apart makes him harder to knock down. We could compare a dining room table ( bear ) to a park bench ( lion or tiger ). 23- Tiny Eyes: A brown bear has relatively tiny eyes; a more difficult target. 24- Shoulder Hump ( reinforces upper-body strength ): this is why pound-for-pound, the brown bear is the strongest of bears. 25- Push Strength: While the big cat has superior pull strength, a bear has greater push strength. 26- Willingness to Fight Face-to-Face: This is a major advantage. Big cats are specialist predators - they are ambush predators. A big cat hates a face-to-face confrontation. This is the reason a big male tiger will most often walk away from even a female sloth bear when she musters-up the courage to stand her ground in defense. This is why a man is safe in tiger country when he wears a face mask on the back of his head. This is why lions will not attack cattle who has eyes painted onto their hind-quarters. This is the reason for the big V on the chest of the smaller Asiatic bears ( sun bear, sloth bear, and moon bear ). A brown bear will go head-on against prey or adversary with no reluctance. *More added to Durability, credits to yz.
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Post by yz on Jun 24, 2022 14:48:16 GMT -5
A and C represent the Jaguar I.e the strongest cat alive on a pound per pound basis while B and D belong to a similarly scaled up prehistoric animal that's been described as being "Bear-like" :
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