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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 19, 2018 17:35:50 GMT -5
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Post by Gort. on Nov 19, 2018 17:46:19 GMT -5
These would be 'cave lions'?
You know, lions who also lived in caves?
So, no wonder their remains were found there, right?
Never the less, lions did hunt bears, wherever they found them, back in prehistoric times. Lions were the most successful, widely spread large mammal species on the planet, 'til men developed weapons tech.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 19, 2018 17:50:47 GMT -5
Wrong, read good. The skeletons were found deep in BEAR cave territory. Bears killed them.
For instance, three cave lion skeletons were found about a half-mile into the massive Ursilor cave in Romania, so named for its cave bear inhabitants, and a whopping 13 cave lion skeletons have been discovered in Germany's Zoolithen cave. Both of these hoards were found deep into cave bear territory, meaning the cave lions had ventured inside to hunt these massive creatures.
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Post by brobear on Nov 19, 2018 17:51:58 GMT -5
Wrong. The so-called cave lions did not live in caves. At a time when their usual prey was scarce, cave lions began hunting bear cubs. Only the male lions would enter the cave. Sometimes, they would wake up Mama Bear. She would fight. Sometimes she would be killed. Sometimes a lion or two would be killed. There is no record of a cave lion ever killing a mature male cave bear or brown bear.
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Post by Gort. on Nov 19, 2018 17:59:42 GMT -5
Why so hung up on such infantile absolutes, brobear?
The evidence clearly shows that lions habitually hunted bear, and did so successfully.
From Eurasia through the Americas, there is paleological evidence of bear bones - with lion kill evidence marks on them.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 19, 2018 18:02:17 GMT -5
Why you ignoring what i posted? Lmao. 16 lion skeletons found deep in bear cave territory. The lions got killed. Ignoring wont change history my friend. Scroll up.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 19, 2018 18:07:53 GMT -5
Read good kid....hahahahah. The lions skeletons found were ADULT MALES. they went to hunt the bears and what happened? They became skeletons. Read and read good.
Almost all the cave lion skeletons found were those of older males, which reinforces the idea that this was a hunting party - or at least it was the adult males that did most of the fighting, and so were the most likely to leave their skeletons in the cave. Researchers believe that the cave lions had to go after cave bears once their earlier food sources, the woolly mammoth and woolly rhinoceros, died out.
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Post by Gort. on Nov 19, 2018 18:08:30 GMT -5
Hey, lions habitually hunt real dangerous prey, so sometimes, for sure, they die trying.
But mostly, they kill and eat what they grapple down as prey, (including bears, when available).
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Post by brobear on Nov 19, 2018 18:12:34 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 19, 2018 18:13:56 GMT -5
#1...you got no evidence, you have not shown crap.
#2...you said it yourself “prey” lions are oficially classified as “ambush predators” that means they would have attacked a bear from ambush, from the back. If you are an adult you know that the most basic fact of this debate is that AMBUSH HUNTING is one thing, and fighting FACE TO FACE is another completelly different item. Hunting prey is not fighting prey. And if you dont know this, you just dont have a clue. So lions kill bears by ambush, while bears kill lions face to face.
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Post by brobear on Nov 19, 2018 18:15:42 GMT -5
GUEST... either join the group or I will delete your posts. Also, I know that you are not new here.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 19, 2018 18:18:06 GMT -5
And not but not least. Guess who the scientists and researchers have as the winner between a cave bear and cave lion? You guess wrong, debate over, hahahahaha.
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Post by BruteStrength on Nov 19, 2018 21:10:46 GMT -5
Cave bears were massive in size. Heavy skeleton and all. I don't see a cave lion killing an adult male one on one. Now way.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 20, 2018 6:08:49 GMT -5
Cave bears were massive in size. Heavy skeleton and all. I don't see a cave lion killing an adult male one on one. Now way. It dont see it either. There is no evidence either that it happened. The cave bears won the one vs one fights between the adult males.
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Post by BruteStrength on Nov 20, 2018 6:14:07 GMT -5
Agree these bears were just too massive to have been defeated by a single lion.
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Post by brobear on Nov 20, 2018 11:26:56 GMT -5
Fact is though, several adult male lions would enter the cave. They were always the cave of a she-bear. Of course, there is a lot of speculation based on fossil finds, but it is believed that the lions were seeking the bear cubs. In any case, the mother cave bear was about the size of a Kodiak she-bear. She was far from being an easy kill for the lions. Note: there are no records of mature male cave lion / mature male cave bear or grizzly interaction. By the way... the video is American lion vs giant short-faced bear - Arctodus simus.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 20, 2018 17:21:36 GMT -5
Fact is though, several adult male lions would enter the cave. They were always the cave of a she-bear. Of course, there is a lot of speculation based on fossil finds, but it is believed that the lions were seeking the bear cubs. In any case, the mother cave bear was about the size of a Kodiak she-bear. She was far from being an easy kill for the lions. Note: there are no records of mature male cave lion / mature male cave bear or grizzly interaction. By the way... the video is American lion vs giant short-faced bear - Arctodus simus. Yeah you are right, i dont know why they put cave bear vs cave lion.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 21, 2018 16:41:26 GMT -5
Wrestling hugging crushing rapid biting swiping
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Post by brobear on Nov 22, 2018 4:07:25 GMT -5
Post by brobear on Sep 15, 2018 at 4:54am shaggygod.proboards.com/thread/653/brown-bear-predator Bears typically kill using brute force and do not seem to exhibit any stereotyped killing postures or behaviours as seen in canids and felids (R. Boertje, pers. comm.; J. Hechtel, pers. comm.). Polar bears and brown bears have been observed to attack their prey both with bites and crushing forepaw slaps, apparently to whatever region of the prey’s body is accessible (Murie, 1985; Boertje et al., 1988; Case & Stevenson, 1991; M. Ramsay, pers. comm; J. Hechtel, pers. comm.). Sacco, T. and Van Valkenburgh, B. (2004), Ecomorphological indicators of feeding behaviour in the bears (Carnivora: Ursidae). Journal of Zoology, 263: 41–54. First posted by Ursus arctos middendorffi ( the poster )... A brown bear would be much better able to gain dominant positions and exhaust the other animal over time. This is the general strategy they do when fighting each other (with the end result typically being a tired bear backing down or outright fleeing) as well as often when killing other animals; if unable to cause serious injuries they seem to simply exhaust it through grappling to the point it is no longer able to defend itself, and then slowly kill it. This can be seen in a few clips on youtube, such as "grizzly eats moose alive", "brown bear predation of wild boar (Russia)", and it looks like this was the case in "bear killing bear", a slideshow of a bear killing another one of similar size-note that it moved itself to the back of the other animal where it couldn't effectively fight back.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 22, 2018 6:10:58 GMT -5
Absolutely right. Bears have so much stamina that their oponents get exhausted first and cant fight anymore, that is why they either run away or get killed.
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