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Post by brobear on Sept 15, 2018 5:54:17 GMT -5
Well, it appears that I never created a "Grizzly vs Wild Boar" topic. Anyway, here it is. You can see that the young bear is completely in control. Too bad the A-hole people had to ruin such a great find.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 15, 2018 10:46:06 GMT -5
Yeah thats a great video Brobear. You can see clearly how a bear fights, holding the enemy down with his power, and just biting everywhere. Small ussuri, no more than 400 lbs i bet. Believe it or not, a tiger boy posted this video to show how bears have hard time killing prey. (Like if bears are full time hunters like tigers) ha ha ha.
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Post by brobear on Sept 15, 2018 10:49:58 GMT -5
The young grizzly is biting on the hog's spine. If not for the idiots in the truck, the kill would have been caught on camera ( if there were intelligent people there in the place of Russian red-necks ).
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 15, 2018 11:13:37 GMT -5
Hey hey am Russian remember. Ha ha ha.
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Post by tom on Sept 15, 2018 12:29:41 GMT -5
Many of you may have seen this video of two large male Brown Bears fighting. In fact I think I have even posted this here somewhere?
Typical frontal assault using biting and grappling techniques. I'm blown away every time I watch this, the incredible power a Bear this size has. Note how the larger bears gets the upper hand using his added weight and leverage to throw the smaller bear over onto his back. IMO against a similar opponent these bears will expend a tremendous amount of energy as you can see by this seemingly short fight. I say Short, but only because they are extremely gassed.
In the past, when big cat fan-boys claim that their Male Tiger or Lion could handle a large Brown Bear, I often refer them to this video and have them imagine (in their pee sized brain) a big Cat in place of one of the Bears. That usually shuts the smart ones up, the dumb ones are too stupid to see that their big Cat would stand ZERO CHANCE.
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Post by brobear on Sept 15, 2018 12:45:40 GMT -5
I love their "John Wayne" cowboy walk before the actual fight begins. Too cool.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 15, 2018 13:25:05 GMT -5
One of the best kodiak bear fights Tom. A big cat stands ZERO chance, less than zero against one of those. I dont even think they would fight those face to face. Zero chance. Kodiak is heavy machine, best of the land.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 15, 2018 13:29:22 GMT -5
Have you guys seen the same fight but with Joe Rogan commenting? Take a look.
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Post by brobear on Sept 15, 2018 16:47:45 GMT -5
Nice Kodiak; and I agree with Joe Rogan. Bears are smart and it shows in their fighting techniques.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 15, 2018 17:18:03 GMT -5
Yeah Joe Rogan knows about mma, and he said those bears have great Jiu jitsu. Those are born wrestlers, naturally.
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Post by brobear on Sept 21, 2018 4:41:35 GMT -5
What fighting style and killing technique is normally used when a grizzly faces a big cat? Historical battles between lion and grizzly or tiger and grizzly shows us that the bear nearly always kills the big cat in mere seconds. Its a shame that newspapers never reported any specifics. We have no clues about the injuries sustained by the big cats delivered by the grizzly. My first thought was a bite to the base of the neck. But wouldn't the big cat most likely be on his back facing up to the bear? But a strangle-hold would take longer - from 20 to 30 minutes. My thoughts here... either the bear maneuvers the big cat into position for a neck bite or he kills the big cat with a paw-strike which either crushes the big cat's skull or breaks his neck... or both. *Speculation.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 21, 2018 5:46:40 GMT -5
Yes, we have some accounts of bears killing big cats in seconds true. Judging by the newspapaper accounts, and some have more details than others, in one fight the bear just grabbed the tiger and broke his neck, in another fight the bear crushed the tiger to death, in another fight the tiger had broken ribs and lacerated neck, another one is the black bear that almost torn the shoulder of the lion with a mighty blow with its forepaw, in another one the lion had great gashes in it sides. Also bears wrestling the tigers down and breaking their ribs with its weight in the wild. So looks like bears use some different killing techniques, they kill the big cats any way they can.
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Post by brobear on Oct 1, 2018 11:35:10 GMT -5
www.duffelblog.com/2012/09/marine-hospitalized-after-confrontation-with-grizzly-bear/ MARINE CORPS Marine Hospitalized After Confrontation with Grizzly Bear. SCOTTSDALE, AZ — A Marine reservist is in critical condition after grappling with a fully grown grizzly bear yesterday in his suburban home. Similar in vein to several recent incidents, the bear broke into the home of Sergeant Sean Bush, who promptly engaged the gargantuan grizzly in hand-to-hand combat. “I was just sitting in my room around midnight, playing some Skyrim, when I heard a crash from downstairs. When I went to investigate, I couldn’t believe what I saw.” The sergeant says that was when his instincts took over. “Then my training kicked in, and I assumed a good basic warrior stance.” Marine Corps Martial Arts Program (MCMAP) Instructor Sergeant Jon Coley says that while MCMAP is very effective for neutralizing an opponent in close quarters, hand-to-hand engagements are “not very effective against a 450-fucking-pound, razor clawed death machine.” That didn’t stop Sgt Bush from trying to pacify the ursine behemoth with a rear naked choke. When that failed, according to his statement, he attempted to mount the bear and place it in a side-arm bar, screaming, “you tap or I snap,” in hopes that the bear would quit before sustaining injury. “I knew there were more advanced moves I could have pulled on the bear,” lamented Sgt Bush from the intensive care unit. “But I’m just a gray belt; more intense grappling moves don’t come until you move up to green and brown.” Sgt Coley shakes his head as he reviews the MCMAP log book discovered on Sgt Bush’s bedside table. “Look at this. He hasn’t even logged any hours training for green. No way he could have handled that thing. Only a seasoned brown belt or an expert in Rex Kwon Do would have been able to subdue that monster.” Police officers, who arrived on scene shortly after receiving a phone call from a concerned neighbor, found Sgt Bush on his living room floor, barely conscious and covered in his own blood, muttering verses from the Marine’s Hymn. The bear was nowhere to be found. Investigators suspect the culprit to be Petty Officer 2nd Class Eugene Bear, who was recently reported as drunkenly brawling with other Marines in local bars.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 1, 2018 12:24:46 GMT -5
That was kind of funny, lmao. The guy tried to put a choke hold on the bear, ha ha ha. He was a marine martial arts instructor, still had no chance of winning hand to hand.
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Post by brobear on Oct 1, 2018 14:09:15 GMT -5
That was kind of funny, lmao. The guy tried to put a choke hold on the bear, ha ha ha. He was a marine martial arts instructor, still had no chance of winning hand to hand. That was my first thought too, but... Investigators suspect the culprit to be Petty Officer 2nd Class Eugene Bear, who was recently reported as drunkenly brawling with other Marines in local bars. ( the marine would rather say he had fought a grizzly than admit that a sailor had beat him up ).
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 1, 2018 15:00:30 GMT -5
Yeah he had a very funny story, ha ha ha.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 0:47:25 GMT -5
www.duffelblog.com/2012/09/marine-hospitalized-after-confrontation-with-grizzly-bear/ MARINE CORPS Marine Hospitalized After Confrontation with Grizzly Bear. SCOTTSDALE, AZ — A Marine reservist is in critical condition after grappling with a fully grown grizzly bear yesterday in his suburban home. Similar in vein to several recent incidents, the bear broke into the home of Sergeant Sean Bush, who promptly engaged the gargantuan grizzly in hand-to-hand combat. “I was just sitting in my room around midnight, playing some Skyrim, when I heard a crash from downstairs. When I went to investigate, I couldn’t believe what I saw.” The sergeant says that was when his instincts took over. “Then my training kicked in, and I assumed a good basic warrior stance.” Marine Corps Martial Arts Program (MCMAP) Instructor Sergeant Jon Coley says that while MCMAP is very effective for neutralizing an opponent in close quarters, hand-to-hand engagements are “not very effective against a 450-fucking-pound, razor clawed death machine.” That didn’t stop Sgt Bush from trying to pacify the ursine behemoth with a rear naked choke. When that failed, according to his statement, he attempted to mount the bear and place it in a side-arm bar, screaming, “you tap or I snap,” in hopes that the bear would quit before sustaining injury. “I knew there were more advanced moves I could have pulled on the bear,” lamented Sgt Bush from the intensive care unit. “But I’m just a gray belt; more intense grappling moves don’t come until you move up to green and brown.” Sgt Coley shakes his head as he reviews the MCMAP log book discovered on Sgt Bush’s bedside table. “Look at this. He hasn’t even logged any hours training for green. No way he could have handled that thing. Only a seasoned brown belt or an expert in Rex Kwon Do would have been able to subdue that monster.” Police officers, who arrived on scene shortly after receiving a phone call from a concerned neighbor, found Sgt Bush on his living room floor, barely conscious and covered in his own blood, muttering verses from the Marine’s Hymn. The bear was nowhere to be found. Investigators suspect the culprit to be Petty Officer 2nd Class Eugene Bear, who was recently reported as drunkenly brawling with other Marines in local bars. I wonder how a black belt would do against a bear like that.
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Post by brobear on Oct 2, 2018 2:24:56 GMT -5
Martial arts, pro-wrestler, boxer, weight-lifter... it just don't matter. No man bare-handed is going to better a grizzly ( period ).
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Post by brobear on Oct 4, 2018 17:12:28 GMT -5
SIZE MATTERS: In the ancient Roman arena, where the bear was the champion of the Circus Games, a grizzly was pitted against an African rhinoceros. Of course, the massive rhino easily killed the bear. Size matters. The elephant, the hippopotamus, the rhinoceros, and probably the giraffe are all out of the grizzly's league. During the Pleistocene in North America, the grizzly was over-shadowed by the giant short-faced bear - double the size of the grizzly. Probably no land-based animal on earth the size of a grizzly is as strong. The great bear is strong, intelligent, durable, and surprisingly quick and nimble for so bulky a beast. It takes an animal of substantial size advantage to defeat a grizzly in a face-to-face confrontation.
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Post by brobear on Oct 22, 2018 5:49:18 GMT -5
First posted by Ursus arctos middendorffi ( the poster )... A brown bear would be much better able to gain dominant positions and exhaust the other animal over time. This is the general strategy they do when fighting each other (with the end result typically being a tired bear backing down or outright fleeing) as well as often when killing other animals; if unable to cause serious injuries they seem to simply exhaust it through grappling to the point it is no longer able to defend itself, and then slowly kill it. This can be seen in a few clips on youtube, such as "grizzly eats moose alive", "brown bear predation of wild boar (Russia)", and it looks like this was the case in "bear killing bear", a slideshow of a bear killing another one of similar size-note that it moved itself to the back of the other animal where it couldn't effectively fight back.
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