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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 2:01:31 GMT -5
And that is a really great idea, never thouht about that. If a biologist decides that there are too many bears in one region, instead of sending the god damn hunters to kill them, they should just take them to africa, i much rather see that. Great idea. The hunter DONT need bear meat, they can just go to the market and get cow meat. This is not the stone age. Ha Ha I agree with you 100%. Plus I hear that bear meat doesn't even taste that good. I never tried it. Have any of you?
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 12, 2018 6:53:26 GMT -5
Not me. And never will.
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Post by brobear on Nov 12, 2018 7:50:06 GMT -5
After reading numerous books about the historical grizzly of the American frontier, I know that bear-meat was not something normally eaten by pioneers. Instead, they cooked them down for the fat, which is richer than hog lard. So, there was a purpose and money to be made in bear hunts in those by-gone days. However, today's so-called hunters are only seeking a trophy for bragging rights.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 12, 2018 7:52:01 GMT -5
Me myself, knowing my tastes, i know i would not like the taste of bear meat. I love cow meat too much.
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Post by brobear on Nov 12, 2018 8:06:19 GMT -5
Me myself, knowing my tastes, i know i would not like the taste of bear meat. I love cow meat too much. I would not consume bear meat as that would give hunters an excuse for killing bears.
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Post by brobear on Nov 12, 2018 10:43:07 GMT -5
In Africa ( IMO ) the grizzly's ranking among flesh-eating animals would be third place after the lion ( because of numbers ) and the crocodile ( because of power ). Even on land, I just cannot imagine a grizzly risking life-and-limb choosing to attack a large 500+ pound crocodile. Even though the bear might could possible kill a crocodile on land, it is simply not in his nature to take stupid chances.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 20:07:25 GMT -5
After reading numerous books about the historical grizzly of the American frontier, I know that bear-meat was not something normally eaten by pioneers. Instead, they cooked them down for the fat, which is richer than hog lard. So, there was a purpose and money to be made in bear hunts in those by-gone days. However, today's so-called hunters are only seeking a trophy for bragging rights. I agree. I think trophy hunting a a shame.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 12, 2018 23:51:08 GMT -5
To be honest I don't really get the point of trophy hunting just to kill a animal to hang on your wall. I find it meaningless but what do I know. you are absolutely right.
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Post by brobear on Nov 13, 2018 0:37:15 GMT -5
A grizzly is a jack-of-all-trades. He has a wide range of food choices. One of these food choices is meat. He acquires some from scavenging but also hunts. In Africa, a grizzly would scavenge the kills of leopards, wild dogs, cheetahs, and hyenas. Now, of all the S. African herbivores, what animals do you believe he would hunt?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 3:34:43 GMT -5
A grizzly is a jack-of-all-trades. He has a wide range of food choices. One of these food choices is meat. He acquires some from scavenging but also hunts. In Africa, a grizzly would scavenge the kills of leopards, wild dogs, cheetahs, and hyenas. Now, of all the S. African herbivores, what animals do you believe he would hunt? I believe the grizzly would hunt impala, cape buffalo and black wildebeest.
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Post by brobear on Nov 16, 2018 5:12:05 GMT -5
In hunting Cape buffalo, the lion would ( IMO ) be more successful than the grizzly. This is because the lion is designed to stalk, ambush, and kill large herbivores. The lion ( most often lioness ) will hold the buffalo's muzzle in her mouth and suffocate the huge bovine or she will clamp her jaws onto the buffalo's throat and strangle the big ungulate. Sometimes she is unsuccessful because the buffalo herd will come in mass and rescue the victim. This happens less often when the lions are in large numbers. The grizzly would hunt calves. There is no stalking and no ambush. He just walks in and chooses his prey. If attacked by an adult, the grizzly will fight nose-to-nose. In a face-off against an adult cow or bull, the grizzly would be successful more often than a lion in a similar situation. But, if the buffalo herd gangs-up on the bear, then the grizzly must flee or be killed. It would take some time for grizzlies to learn the habits of African wildlife. But, bears are fast learners.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 16, 2018 7:03:27 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Nov 16, 2018 7:29:25 GMT -5
Can bears survive in Africa? ( from site given by Kodiak above ). Daniel Gerber, Lived in Ethiopia 2015-6. Travelled to 11 African countries. Answered Oct 13, 2017 · Author has 3.6k answers and 2.9m answer views There were bears in Africa up until the 1870s: Atlas bear - Wikipedia
But they were hunted to extinction so they no longer “survive” there. So since there are no bears in Africa, I’m not sure what you mean by asking if they can survive.
If you’re asking if they could survive if they were reintroduced, my guess would be they could, if they were introduced in sufficient number and protected. Of course Africa is quite densely populated and there are rapidly-increasing demands on natural resources as increasing standards of living demand more resources, and Chinese investment clears land and buys their other resources. But there are still places where other large mammals survive. Africa is the only continent that extends into both the north and the south temperate zones. Of course it’s hard to predict what animals will survive if they’re introduced, or what the other effects on the ecosystem would be like, but there should be somewhere in Africa that is the right climate for bears. In any case, in SE Asia there are bears in tropical environments. My impression though is that most bears prefer temperate mountain areas, and there are certainly such areas in South Africa, Lesotho, and Morocco.
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Post by brobear on Nov 16, 2018 7:32:54 GMT -5
Continued: Richard Ali, I'm from a huge island called Africa. Answered Oct 14, 2017 · Author has 81 answers and 154.5k answer views I doubt it. What I most associate with bears is hibernating in winter and I suspect their entire bodies and genetics are geared with this necessity in view.
Most of Africa is tropical and its next to impossible to hibernate here where it's always warm. So, I imagine many bears will just keep dying until they figure out a way to adapt. Note: Brown bears have no need to hibernate where food is available year-round.
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Post by brobear on Nov 16, 2018 7:34:04 GMT -5
Continued: M. Nour Hafiane, studied at Braunschweig University of Technology Answered Oct 16, 2017 · Author has 92 answers and 107.1k answer views it’s very unlikely in most parts of the continent , however , a small population might be able to hold foot in the Atlas Mountains - Wikipedia ,
the Atlas bear - Wikipedia made it before going extinct do to excessive hunting , i see no reason they wouldn’t be able to do it again (if left in peace by humans . )
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Post by brobear on Nov 16, 2018 7:34:59 GMT -5
Continued: William Chambers, The Coffee Dude (2009-present) Answered Oct 13, 2017 · Author has 1.3k answers and 1.1m answer views A bear, the Atlas bear, survived in the Morocco area until modern times. They were probably a migrant from the Iberian Peninsula into Libya and Morocco. The last surviving member of the species died in 1870. I don’t see why a bear wouldn’t survive there today given a sufficient population in an area that would be suitable to them.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 16, 2018 16:40:48 GMT -5
Yeah, as you can see most people agree with us that a brown bear would do very good in Africa.
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Post by brobear on Nov 17, 2018 6:00:09 GMT -5
Yes, but most seem stuck on the idea of North African as that is where the Atlas bear was "stranded" due to the Sahara Desert. Daniel Gerber, first one, appears to have his head screwed on right. South Africa ( remove the human-factor ) would suit the grizzly best ( IMO ).
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Post by brobear on Dec 3, 2018 5:39:06 GMT -5
Brown bears are fast learners. A grizzly's keen nose would help him to avoid elephants and rhinos. He would learn to avoid the hippopotamus along rivers. The great bear would carefully avoid lions. A pride of lions is capable of killing even the biggest boar grizzly. While the great bear would avoid large clans of hyenas, a big boar grizzly is not something that a clan might choose as prey. The bear would, in fact, displace hyenas, wild dogs, and leopards from their kills. The worst enemy of bears in Africa would be crocodiles.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 3, 2018 6:14:46 GMT -5
And knowing that bears are expert Kleptoparasites, hyenas, dholes, and leopards will have the worst nightmare with bears.
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