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Post by BruteStrength on Nov 22, 2018 6:17:53 GMT -5
I agree 100%
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Post by Kodak on Nov 23, 2018 23:51:20 GMT -5
Nah, brownies are typically brutish bullies, but they are haplessly amateurish as killer-carnivores, so for sure that's a major reason why they both naturally fear, and thus also fall prey to big cats, who do know how to kill, with expert precision and rapid despatch.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 24, 2018 4:37:13 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Nov 24, 2018 5:25:18 GMT -5
Nah, brownies are typically brutish bullies, but they are haplessly amateurish as killer-carnivores, so for sure that's a major reason why they both naturally fear, and thus also fall prey to big cats, who do know how to kill, with expert precision and rapid despatch. Juvenile grizzlies and uncommon;y an adult she-bear are killed in ambush attack by a tiger. There is no record of a tiger ever ambushing a mature boar grizzly. Just doesn't happen.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 24, 2018 5:48:34 GMT -5
“Fear”? Other way around, bears steal 35% of tigers kills with the tigers DEPARTING to avoid confrontation. “Fall prey” ? Yeah Bruce Lee can also “fall prey” to me if i grab him from the back or when he is sleeping. That is all the tiger can do “prey”.
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Post by BruteStrength on Nov 24, 2018 9:15:28 GMT -5
Yeah and none of the brown bears that stole food from the tigers were Kodiak bears. Just keep that in mind as well.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 24, 2018 9:49:59 GMT -5
Yeah and none of the brown bears that stole food from the tigers were Kodiak bears. Just keep that in mind as well. Absolutely right, very nice.
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Post by brobear on Feb 18, 2019 8:14:24 GMT -5
shaggygod.proboards.com/ Multiple Hunting Strategy In the Thelon Game Sanctuary, grizzlies and muskox coexist, but the relationship is not always copasetic. Near the Thelon River, bears may use thick willow stands along the waterway to ambush muskox feeding on sedge in nearby clearings. Willows also attract muskox, as it is a preferred food of this beast. Gunn and Miller (1982) report finding a bear on a freshly killed, bull O. moschatus. They were able to scare the adult bear off and examine its kill and concluded that the bear had dispatched the big ungulate by first grasping its nose (crushing the nasal turbine bones and tearing off the nose in the process) and then inflicting a crippling bite to its skull. By grasping the nose, the bear may have prevented the muskox from bringing its horns to bear and also may have been more effective at throwing the animal to the ground. In another study carried out in the northeastern Arctic slopes of Alaska, 92 grizzly-muskox interactions were observed (Reynolds et al. 2002). Fifty percent of these were known kills, 40 % were possible kills or scavenging events, and 10 % were incidents where a grizzly was seen chasing muskox. It was estimated that 16-39 % of muskox mortality was the result of bear predation. During the study period (1982-2001) the number of muskox killed by grizzly bears was zero to two deaths per year before 1993, one to four musk ox per year from 1994-1997 and five to ten deaths per year from 1998-2001. This increase in kill numbers was a function of an increase in the size of musk ox herds. An increase in kills may also be indicative of the bears learning how to better attack and take down these big, formidable animals. While solitary adult bears were most often seen attacking muskox (69 occasions), pairs or trios of adult bears were seen chasing, killing or eating these animals (three episodes). Sows with cubs or yearlings were seen interacting with muskox on three occasions. Surplus Killing Grizzly bears sometimes engage in surplus killing of muskox. In the study carried out by Reynolds et al. (2002) there were ten episodes where one to three bears killed from two to four adult muskox. On several occasions even more muskox were dispatched during a single hunting bout. For example, in one case five individuals (two adult females, a yearling and unsexed adult musk ox) were incapacitated by a single bear. In another case, a grizzly killed four calves and in another incident the victims were one adult female, one two-year old male and one yearling. In most cases, solitary bears were involved in these killing sprees, but in one case three grizzlies instigated the melee. Clarkson et al. (1993) reported a fascinating case of surplus killing of muskox calves by a heterosexual pair of adult grizzlies. Within a distance of about two km, the two bears took down five young musk ox. By doing a little forensic work, the researchers were able to put together a likely picture of what had happened. Rather than form a defensive circle to try and parry the bear attacks, this herd of musk ox tried to out run the grizzlies. The researchers postulated that the calves trailed behind the adults and, therefore, were more vulnerable. The two bears chased the herd, which consisted of 40 to 50 muskox (with a minimum of eight calves). They killed the first calf and ate 90 % of the carcass. They then chased the herd down again and about 1.5-2.0 km from the first kill dispatched a second young musk ox. They ate 60 % of this second calve and began the hunt again. They killed the third calf about 300 m from the second. The third calf was about 30 % consumed by the bears and a wolverine (Gulo gulo) that was feeding on the carcass when the researchers arrived on the scene. The fourth calve was killed 400 m from the third. A golden eagle had just begun to feed on calf four when the researchers arrived. The final calf was killed about 200 m from the fourth – this last young muskox was not eaten either.
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Post by brobear on Feb 18, 2019 8:17:03 GMT -5
Quote from above post: They were able to scare the adult bear off and examine its kill and concluded that the bear had dispatched the big ungulate by first grasping its nose (crushing the nasal turbine bones and tearing off the nose in the process) and then inflicting a crippling bite to its skull. By grasping the nose, the bear may have prevented the muskox from bringing its horns to bear and also may have been more effective at throwing the animal to the ground. A grizzly will do what no big cat will do. A grizzly is willing to go head-to-head with an adversary. In fact, more often than not.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 18, 2019 10:13:20 GMT -5
Nice report brobear. Barren ground grizzlies really dominate the much larger musk-ox.
“grizzly will do what no big cat will do. A grizzly is willing to go head-to-head with an adversary. In fact, more often than not.”
even though bears do use ambush tactics in the wild, especially barren ground grizzlies, bears in general hunt more face to face. Also, by reading the grizzlies vs bulls pit fights in California, those were the most barbaric and blood fights i have read in this debate of all animals. I mean those were just hell.
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Post by brobear on Feb 18, 2019 10:48:26 GMT -5
A grizzly will use ambush because most ungulates are simply too fast to chase-down and capture. But many of these ambush attacks end-up with a face-off fight. A grizzly appears to prefer going head-on. In the bull vs bear fights, the grizzly ( if the tales were reported accurately ) always had the bull by the head. I have watched a few big cat vs bull fights on video ( both lion and tiger ). The big cat always tries to work himself around to the bull'e rear. Never once have I seen a lion or a tiger go head-to-head with a bull. Just doesn't happen.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 18, 2019 12:47:07 GMT -5
After reading in detail the fights between bears and spanish bulls in the California pit fughts, knowing how brutal they were, i mean you had destroyed noses, broken ribs, destroyed eye sockets, destroyed skulls, tongues pulled out, ripped faces. it was just a blood bath, all face to face. Can you imagine this scene? Look at the lion desperately trying to flee the arena, ha ha ha ha, lion does not want any part of that bull. Its 100% clear that bears are experts in face to face combat, their fighting technique is much better than big cats in a pure face to face confrontation.
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Post by brobear on Feb 18, 2019 14:42:35 GMT -5
I have seen several lion vs bull. This one is new to me. All turn out the same way causing me to feel pity for the lion.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 18, 2019 15:25:38 GMT -5
I have seen several lion vs bull. This one is new to me. All turn out the same way causing me to feel pity for the lion. Looks like even the bull felt pity for the lion. It stoped couple of times just looking at the lion. But yeah lion got wrecked.
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Post by brobear on Mar 14, 2019 6:16:54 GMT -5
Have you guys seen the same fight but with Joe Rogan commenting? Take a look. Yesterday, I watched a couple of hours of Japanese Sumo wrestling. Don't laugh. Once you understand the rules and how it works, you realize those big guys ( mostly from 300 to 500 pounds ) are highly skilled athletes. In Japan, Sumo is considered an art, a sport, and an ancient tradition. But, what does Sumo to do with bears? More than any other fighting technique, that of the bears most closely resemble Sumo. ( with some biting, clawing, and slapping which are illegal in the sport ).
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 14, 2019 6:29:13 GMT -5
Have you guys seen the same fight but with Joe Rogan commenting? Take a look. Yesterday, I watched a couple of hours of Japanese Sumo wrestling. Don't laugh. Once you understand the rules and how it works, you realize those big guys ( mostly from 300 to 500 pounds ) are highly skilled athletes. In Japan, Sumo is considered an art, a sport, and an ancient tradition. But, what does Sumo to do with bears? More than any other fighting technique, that of the bears most closely resemble Sumo. ( with some biting, clawing, and slapping which are illegal in the sport ). Definatly right brobear. That means They should respect bears in Japan. I cant think of any other animal that has a better fighting technique than brown bears. Wrestling/sumo/grappling for sure.
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Post by brobear on Mar 14, 2019 6:33:39 GMT -5
Compare these Sumo wrestlers with wrestling bears:
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Post by brobear on Mar 14, 2019 6:40:37 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 14, 2019 6:52:02 GMT -5
Awesome brobear. I just saw some. Well this guy would be considered “bear-like”.
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Post by BruteStrength on Mar 14, 2019 7:52:24 GMT -5
Ok well let me ask you guys this. Who would win a fight. A prime Mike Tyson vs a sumo Wrestler? I lean more towards the sumo.
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