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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 1, 2020 15:29:50 GMT -5
2 lionesses, i agree absolutely. But 2 large prime male lions, say 500 lbs each, that's a whole different ball game.
We are talking about a death fight, not interactions in the wild. And a lion is a much better head on fighter than a tiger.
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Post by brobear on Dec 1, 2020 15:50:47 GMT -5
2 lionesses, i agree absolutely. But 2 large prime male lions, say 500 lbs each, that's a whole different ball game. True; and this fight can take some turns. But, all would depend on how quickly the bear can kill or disable one lion. Remember, the bear is not concerned about if an adversary is dead or simply crippled. It only took Van a matter of seconds to kill an estimated 500-pound female brown bear. I know that most often a brown bear does not make a quick kill, but he usually disables an opponent rather quickly and that's all that matters. It will take some time to kill the bear. A simple bite at the base of his skull just doesn't work. The lions would have to kill the bear before just one of them is disabled. But; this might go either way. ( IMO ) Kodiak bear 6 out of 10. *Also; you quoted me before I caught my mistake. I had been reading that ( hmmm? ) "Lionesses vs Wild Yak". As I was fixing; you were typing... Quote: 2 lions at 371.3 pounds each = 742.6 pounds against one male Kodiak bear at 1077.3 pounds. ( weights from our own weight collection ).
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Post by brobear on Dec 1, 2020 15:52:03 GMT -5
I seriously dislike these gang-up fights: multiple number vs one. Fact: the one is obviously superior.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 1, 2020 15:59:32 GMT -5
Yes, but killing one female brown bear in seconds does not equal killing one lion in seconds at the same time that another aggressive lion is attacking you. 2 vs 1 here.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 1, 2020 16:00:58 GMT -5
I seriously dislike these gang-up fights: multiple number vs one. Fact: the one is obviously superior. I agree, really hate these match ups, i think its for kids regardless of our opinions.
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Post by brobear on Dec 3, 2020 5:37:46 GMT -5
My conclusion: Kodiak bear 6 out of 10. / Three lions I would say Lions 100%.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 3, 2020 6:03:43 GMT -5
Male lions seem to frighten six to twenty spotted hyenas even though there are capable of killing him if they work together. This being said, I am not surprise if a huge male kodiak or an exceptionally large male polar bear can displace a small pride of male lions.
Talking about natural encounters not fights to death. Remember even the most aggressive wild animal does not have the aggression of gladiator dogs or game roosters (aggression inherited due to animal cruelty).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 11:37:16 GMT -5
Bears mostly take their time to kill, it wont kill or disable a large male lion so fast. While the bear is focusing on one, the other lion is on the bear's back. A large male lion is no joke, let alone 2 working together.
Bear will probably not take long to kill animal like lion which is much smaller and less robust overall. Neither do I think lion will kill bear so quickly.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 3, 2020 11:40:20 GMT -5
And you really think a bear would kill a lion fast at the same time that another lion is attacking it? That is just fantasy to be honest, and am the biggest Kodiak fan. This is what you guys are forgetting, the bear has to kill 1 lion fast while another lion is attacking the bear. Bear is not made out of steel bro.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Dec 3, 2020 11:45:55 GMT -5
Honestly, a bear the size of a Kodiak bear could easily break a lions limbs/ribs when tearing into it with all of its weight. A lion's jaws aren't made for causing quick and horrifying injures, they are mostly used for gradual strangulation of large prey items and it takes them a while to apply such a hold (even with multiple members against rather immobile buffaloes). So while the Kodiak completely bulldozes one lion, the other would somehow need to land a vital blow as quickly as possible and I doubt that would happen the majority of the time.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 3, 2020 11:49:09 GMT -5
That's not very likely, another large male, aggressive lion attacking the bear at the same time would prevent that.
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Post by brobear on Dec 3, 2020 11:50:23 GMT -5
Bears mostly take their time to kill, it wont kill or disable a large male lion so fast. While the bear is focusing on one, the other lion is on the bear's back. A large male lion is no joke, let alone 2 working together.
Bear will probably not take long to kill animal like lion which is much smaller and less robust overall. Neither do I think lion will kill bear so quickly. The Amur tiger has proven, a big cat cannot make a quick kill on a bear his own size or bigger.
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Post by brobear on Dec 3, 2020 11:51:07 GMT -5
That's not very likely, another large male, aggressive lion attacking the bear at the same time would prevent that. Prevent that... a joke right? A lion is more fragile than a 500-pound she bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 3, 2020 11:54:40 GMT -5
That's not very likely, another large male, aggressive lion attacking the bear at the same time would prevent that. Prevent that... a joke right? A lion is more fragile than a 500-pound she bear. Unless you think a large 500 lb prime male lion is a joke.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Dec 3, 2020 11:55:34 GMT -5
King Kodiak What would the lion do? The other lion would need to completely immobilize the Kodiak bear in a matter of seconds, otherwise his brother will get his mane torn off and his skull cracked. Bears instantly go for the nose/skull of their rivals, they target that as the weakest point and when looking at the records of larger bears killing smaller bears the result almost always was a broken skull or other severe injuries to the head. They tackle other bears completely different than prey items (where they mainly focus on the spine) and a lion getting grabbed by 4 inch long claws tearing into its neck and an enormous set of jaws biting right in its skull would cause horrifying injuries in a very short amount of time. I am personally not convinced that the second lion could effortlessly take out the Kodiak in the mean time. Let's see it this way, we have footage of singleton lions dying in fights against whole coalitions. Usually the singleton attacks one of the coalition males and the others start tearing into it (3 or 4 of them), however, that doesn't hinder the singleton lion from continuing to attack the other coalition male (we've seen it with Kinkytail and Mr. T who managed to injure some of their murderers). Now, if I replace Kinkytail/Mr. T with a prime male Kodiak bear and also remove 1-2 individuals of the other coalition males, I see that the whole thing would get much tougher.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 3, 2020 12:03:27 GMT -5
theundertaker45: None of that matters when the fight is 2 vs 1. I never said the second lion can effortlessly take down the bear. But its very unlikely a bear would disable one lion fast at the same time another lion is attacking you from the back. It would be a stalemate until the 2 lions finally bring the bear down. I just dont see it guys.
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Post by brobear on Dec 3, 2020 12:11:03 GMT -5
theundertaker45 : None of that matters when the fight is 2 vs 1. I never said the second lion can effortlessly take down the bear. But its very unlikely a bear would disable one lion fast at the same time another lion is attacking you from the back. It would be a stalemate until the 2 lions finally bring the bear down. I just dont see it guys. The 500-pound Alaskan she-bear was killed within a few seconds. We are talking about a she-bear with superior durability over a lion. An Amur tiger cannot make a really quick kill even on an ambushed she-bear which is nearing his own weight. Making a quick kill on a full-grown boar Kodiak bear would be impossible. Brown bears are well known for their endurance to pain and injury. He could kill or cripple one ( within a few seconds ) before placing his full attention on the other.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 3, 2020 12:15:48 GMT -5
That she-bear was alone. Killing one she-bear (even killing a male bear) in seconds does not equal killing one 500 lb lion in seconds at the same time another 500 lb lion is tearing you up.
Not very likely, the bear would have to defend himself from the other lion also. The bear would have to shift focuses. Bear is not a robot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 17:06:17 GMT -5
And you really think a bear would kill a lion fast at the same time that another lion is attacking it? That is just fantasy to be honest, and am the biggest Kodiak fan. This is what you guys are forgetting, the bear has to kill 1 lion fast while another lion is attacking the bear. Bear is not made out of steel bro.
I do not think it needs to kill one lion very fast. I mean lions would struggle even more to kill it overall with good neck bite, bears size alone is what would keep lions mostly away from it I think. Honestly lion when comes to build is much less thick and its also smaller so saying kodiak would kill one quikcly if caught is not overstatement. One good blow from kodiak to limb could seriously injure lion.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 3, 2020 17:41:44 GMT -5
Ok Kassuts, maybe, maybe ok. I will just use the exact same method of phrase that Shadow uses alot over at Wildfact.....
I already said all i had to say about this topic for now, my opinions remain the same, so no need to add anything more from my side.
We will just have to disagree on one little topic, not the most important topic by the way. Up to now, the poll is on the bear's favour though, 3 to 1, so you guys are winning.
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