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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 12, 2020 11:23:13 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Mar 12, 2020 11:26:55 GMT -5
No land animal on earth can go face-to-face against a bull elephant and triumph. Any killing would have to be by ambush; but I doubt that a tiger would ambush a healthy mature bull elephant.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 12, 2020 11:29:20 GMT -5
No land animal on earth can go face-to-face against a bull elephant and triumph. Any killing would have to be by ambush; but I doubt that a tiger would ambush a healthy mature bull elephant. I agree.
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Post by brobear on Mar 12, 2020 11:31:29 GMT -5
No land animal on earth can go face-to-face against a bull elephant and triumph. Any killing would have to be by ambush; but I doubt that a tiger would ambush a healthy mature bull elephant. I agree.I will add; IF a tiger ever ambushes a healthy mature elephant cow, this would surely be a very rare event out of desperation for food.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 12, 2020 18:26:32 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Mar 12, 2020 19:03:20 GMT -5
There is no way a tiger or lion can kill an elephant, rhino, or hippo with their physical strength. This is a task not even a large extinct bear can do. The tiger only ‘kills’ an elephant by scratching its trunk and letting it die due to infection, starvation - lions ‘kill’ hippos using the environment as a catalyst but even that it is not an easy ‘kill’ and that happens only if the hippo wanders too far from the water at night.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 12, 2020 19:17:37 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 12, 2020 19:26:20 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 12, 2020 20:04:43 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Mar 13, 2020 2:18:34 GMT -5
Replies #34 and#36... Other than something as huge as an elephant, it seems that a bite to the base of the neck is the tiger's choice method of killing ( different from lions ). This method is inadequate for killing a mature grizzly boar. wildfact.com/forum/ *More about tigers killing rhinoceros on the Tiger Predation topic post #1414.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 16, 2020 17:08:01 GMT -5
New post from Peter on tigers vs Pachydems, very interesting:
Tigers and rhinos
A few decades ago, I often taped documentaries. I still have these videos and the summaries I wrote. In two videos, rhinos were hunted by male tigers. I saw one on a forum later. It had been broadcasted on a Russian channel (the comment was in Russian) and parts of the documentary had been moved to AVA. The footage was from Nepal or northern India. It showed a male tiger following a rhino and her calf. In order to get rid of the tiger, mom decided to move to a river island. The tiger followed. A few days later, the adult female was on her own. She had defended her calf right to the end and nearly lost her life doing so. The second video was less clear, but the people interviewed were sure tigers hunted adult rhinos every now and then.
Some of those who spent a lot of years in what used to be British India wrote about their experiences later. They too thought tigers hunted adult rhinos and elephants occasionally. It starts with calves. When a tiger is experienced, he moves to adolescents and young adults. I wasn't surprised to read later adult rhinos had been killed by tigers.
Most posters seem to have doubts about tigers hunting rhinos, but there are reliable reports about rhinos killed by tigers in recent years. Nearly all rhinos killed were youngsters and adult females, but some tigers seem to hunt adult male rhinos every now and then. This photograph was posted not so long ago. It shows a male tiger and a male rhino killed in a fight. Happened in November 2017:
Tigers and elephants
I've read so many books in which tigers and elephants feature, that I wouldn't know where to start. Apart from books, there are magazins like The Field, The Indian Forester and The Journal of the Bombay Natural History Society. In each of them, you can find letters from members about interactions between tigers and elephants. Most of these were published in the period 1890-1950, but I also have reports about recent incidents.
The book below was discussed in the tiger extinction thread some years ago. It has different stories in which male tigers and male tuskers feature. Male tigers following herds quite often hunted calves and youngsters, but they also attacked adults defending youngsters. Not every attack resulted in a dead elephant, but quite a few elephants were injured.
Adult females never left the herd on their own to engage a tiger following the herd, but some males visiting the herd occassionally, and tuskers in particular, did. Some of these males harrassed and 'hunted' tigers interested in elephants. They knew about their habits and waited for an opportunity to attack. At times, they were injured while trying, but they also succeeded every now and then.
Those who know captive tigers agree they have a dislike for certain animals. In captivity, a dislike can develop into a fued. I'm not sure about their wild relatives, but my guess is they're nopt that different. Based on what I read, I'd say male elephants could compare in this department. When these two get involved, anything can happen.
Never ever underestimate a wild male elephant driven by anger. Kenneth Anderson and others who hunted 'roques' agreed they're intelligent. move as silent as a big cat and know how to hunt an animal they dislike. For them, a human is no different from an animal.
wildfact.com/forum/topic-on-the-edge-of-extinction-a-the-tiger-panthera-tigris?pid=105691#pid105691
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Post by tom on Mar 16, 2020 20:29:00 GMT -5
Wow! Great find on the photo. Both died from their injuries. That must have been one desperate Tiger.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 16, 2020 20:44:52 GMT -5
Wow! Great find on the photo. Both died from their injuries. That must have been one desperate Tiger. Yeah, Peter has read tons of books and has info that no one else has. The tiger has 2 huge holes in its body you saw it.
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2020 3:56:18 GMT -5
*Something to consider. Just within the past decade or two, lions have began to hunt elephants; something they have not done ever before. A pride of lions will ambush ( at night ) sub-adult elephants every inch as big as full-grown Indian elephant tuskers. Bengal tigers have begun hunting and killing full-grown rhinoceros; a beast never considered as prey to tigers previously. There are also a few cases of tigers killing elephants. Why? My personal thoughts are - humans! Man-kind's so-called development of the land, creating farms and towns and businesses. Less natural game to hunt. People shake-up the natural order of things. *Note: I am glad that I do not have to mug some big hulking tough guy every time I want to eat.
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Post by smedz on Mar 18, 2020 17:35:21 GMT -5
My thoughts
Tigers and Rhinos, sure, the proof is there. Elephants? Sub-adults I can believe but I'm skeptical of then killing adults.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 18, 2020 18:07:08 GMT -5
My thoughts Tigers and Rhinos, sure, the proof is there. Elephants? Sub-adults I can believe but I'm skeptical of then killing adults. And this is why i like you Smedz. You are a thinking tiger fan. You are pretty reliable.
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 10, 2020 19:28:01 GMT -5
I think if we use the largest shortface bear specimen then the bear would win. But if we use the regular shortg=face bear then the hippo would win. This is one of the lasts post of Brute. But no, not even the largest bear specimen in history stands a chance against modern rhinos or hippos. These are too big, too strong.
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Post by brobear on Apr 11, 2020 2:39:32 GMT -5
I think if we use the largest shortface bear specimen then the bear would win. But if we use the regular shortg=face bear then the hippo would win. This is one of the lasts post of Brute. But no, not even the largest bear specimen in history stands a chance against modern rhinos or hippos. These are too big, too strong.Whatever happened with BruteStrength?
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 11, 2020 3:10:33 GMT -5
This is one of the lasts post of Brute. But no, not even the largest bear specimen in history stands a chance against modern rhinos or hippos. These are too big, too strong. Whatever happened with BruteStrength? No idea. He disappeared like 6 months ago.
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