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Post by brobear on Sept 9, 2018 3:49:48 GMT -5
Elephant, Rhinoceros, or Hippopotamus; one of these could easily kill a grizzly. There was once, in the ancient Roman arena, a fight between a grizzly and a rhinoceros. The rhino ran over the bear like a freight train over a dog. As for a giraffe, we can only speculate, but I have no idea how a grizzly could fight it. African buffalo; big grizzly boars have been known to kill bull bison. A bull bison is comparable to a buffalo in size, strength and power. Any beast that can break the neck of a bison can break the neck of a buffalo.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 9, 2018 16:06:05 GMT -5
Brobear....Elephants, rhinos, and hippos are on a whole different level, no animal can kill those. Full grown elephants have destroyed whole lion prides to protect their cubs, what is a single 500 lb tiger gona do? Jump and bite his neck? The elephants neck is larger than the whole god damn tiger, think about it. tigers killing full grown rhinos? Really? Rhinos destroy cars, a rhinos can kill 2 tigers at once. A tiger cant penetrate a rhinos skin. Bullshit.
Now i have a question for you to finish this subject. You think all the accounts of lions killing bears are “fake”, but yet you believe accounts of tigers killing full grown elephants and rhinos? How can that be? So you really think that a puny ass 500 lb tiger killing a 9.000 lb asian elephant is more credible than a lion killing a bear? Lions are great fighters and are fierce, they know how to fight, a full grown adult male lion is very capable of killing a same size bear or even a little larger. but a tiger killing a full grown 9.000 lb elephant that destroys houses? Not in this lifetime, trust me, those are the FAKEST reports in this debate. What do you think?
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Post by brobear on Sept 9, 2018 16:26:38 GMT -5
wildfact.com/forum/topic-tigers-hunting-and-killing-large-pachyderms Neither elephants nor rhinos are normally on the menu of a tiger. But, there have been incidents. Full grown bull elephants or full grown bull rhinos? I don't know and don't really care enough to spend long hours seeking the answer. I do not deny the possibility of a lion or a tiger killing a full-grown healthy grizzly boar. But, as I have yet to find a reliable account after well over a decade of researching this topic; I will not jump at any online story and call it true without having it verified by some of our "elite" posters. You could even write Yellowstone about the Yellowstone event; but I remember that one being shot down.
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Post by brobear on Sept 9, 2018 17:08:30 GMT -5
Ok i understand Bro. But you dont have to be a biologist, or a zoologist, or an expert to understand that a 500 lb animal cannot kill a 9000 lb animal. Any rational 15 year old kid that does not watch the tiger chronicles would understand this. I just dont see how its physically possible. Dont see it, much more seeing how a dominant male tiger Maktasur could not kill a little 150 lb female sloth bear that looked like a toothpick. Sub-adult elephants have for certain been killed by both lions and tigers. Tigers, in rare cases have been known to kill both adult cow rhinos and adult cow elephants. Bulls, not likely I agree. Tiger attacks on even sub-adult rhinos or elephants are, in my opinion, extremely rare. But, I spend little time studying the big cats.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 7:08:03 GMT -5
I have read the thread regarding the sloth bear aggression account. Essentially they have aggressive interactions with tigers and even to elephants and rhinos at times. This has got me wondering if polar bears have ever shown aggression towards mammoths and rhinos (e.g. a male polar bear driving away a woolly mammoth or rhino which comes too close or a female polar bear attacking one of the two large mammals to protect her cubs).
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Post by brobear on Jan 1, 2019 7:27:46 GMT -5
When the so-called "Tyrant Sea Bear" ( Ursus maritimus tyrannus ) was still a new discovery, it was suggested that he might have hunted mammoth. I never bought into that theory. No bear ever lived big enough or strong enough to hunt elephants. A big cat can ambush a herbivore much heavier and stronger than himself such as a buffalo and kill it, using natural weapons designed precisely for this purpose - long canines for strangulation and deeply-curved claws to cling onto his prey with - like velcro. The big cat relies more on technique than brute strength. A bear relies on his wrestling ability and brute strength equally - it takes a combination of both. For a grizzly to kill a bison, he must come close to matching its strength backed-up with wrestling skills. But, no bear or big cat hunted adult mammoth. However, I'm sure that there were some big cats who hunted juvenile mammoths.
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Post by brobear on Jan 1, 2019 7:30:24 GMT -5
shaggygod.proboards.com/ Bears typically kill using brute force and do not seem to exhibit any stereotyped killing postures or behaviours as seen in canids and felids (R. Boertje, pers. comm.; J. Hechtel, pers. comm.). Polar bears and brown bears have been observed to attack their prey both with bites and crushing forepaw slaps, apparently to whatever region of the prey’s body is accessible (Murie, 1985; Boertje et al., 1988; Case & Stevenson, 1991; M. Ramsay, pers. comm; J. Hechtel, pers. comm.). Sacco, T. and Van Valkenburgh, B. (2004), Ecomorphological indicators of feeding behaviour in the bears (Carnivora: Ursidae). Journal of Zoology, 263: 41–54.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 8:10:19 GMT -5
It looks like both the polar bear and brown bear have a similar killing style.
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Post by brobear on Feb 1, 2019 9:25:09 GMT -5
From Beringia, the land-bridge that once connected Siberia with N. America.
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Post by brobear on Mar 21, 2019 5:34:43 GMT -5
The bear has never lived that might defeat a rhinoceros, hippopotamus, or an elephant.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 6:00:50 GMT -5
The bear has never lived that might defeat a rhinoceros, hippopotamus, or an elephant. Except for my fictional bears . On a more serious note, a mother bear with cubs (Mother polar bear just like mother brown bears will fight to death to protect their cubs) or an exceptional aggressive territorial male bear might be able to chase these animals off or out of their territory.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 21, 2019 6:07:10 GMT -5
The bear has never lived that might defeat a rhinoceros, hippopotamus, or an elephant. Definatly true. Let me just add that NO LAND ANIMAL can defeat these 3 in a face to face fight.
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Post by brobear on Nov 16, 2019 1:27:02 GMT -5
Could a short-faced bear take down a hippopotamus or a rhinoceros? Your thoughts?
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 16, 2019 4:39:41 GMT -5
IMO, definitely not. Considering the poor grappling abilities of the short faced bears, no. The weight difference is still too big anyways.
But.....but.....if we talk about that one single specimen of Angustidens, the largest bear in history, that 3500 lb freak, he might have a "slight" chance just becase of his sheer weight and size. Maybe 2 times out of 10.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 16, 2019 4:52:56 GMT -5
The short faced bear has poorer grappling skills compared to other bears and even big cats. I say it has zero chance against a hippo with huge jaws and thick skin and blubber to protect its vitals.
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Post by brobear on Nov 16, 2019 5:05:01 GMT -5
I agree with both King Kodiak and LarsMaritimus. The short-faced bears were not designed to grapple. Perhaps if we had a grizzly standing 6 feet high at the shoulders we might have a contest. But alas! No such animal.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 16, 2019 5:19:51 GMT -5
I agree with both King Kodiak and LarsMaritimus. The short-faced bears were not designed to grapple. Perhaps if we had a grizzly standing 6 feet high at the shoulders we might have a contest. But alas! No such animal. Well i dont think its really about the shoulder height because the bear would most likely stand on hind legs and be at a taller position and try to grapple from there. Its just the much more power that rhinos and hippos have that the bear would not be able to do much.
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Post by brobear on Nov 16, 2019 6:00:44 GMT -5
My meaning: the short-faced giants could be as much as six feet high at the shoulders. A grizzly that size would be a more massive bear - ranging somewhere between 2500 and 3000 pounds. The "3500-pound" Arctotherium angustidens has been long since rebuked. A grizzly six feet high would measure roughly 12 feet from nose to rump. A bull hippo averages about 3,000 pounds and measure 13 feet long. But an exceptional individual can weigh as much as 5,000 pounds. ( IMO ) Hippopotamus, White rhinoceros, Black rhinoceros, and the Great Indian rhinoceros would be too much for even this over-sized grizzly. However, I believe that the freakishly big bear would put up a good fight. Score: Hippopotamus, White rhinoceros, Black rhinoceros, and the Great Indian rhinoceros 10 - any bear of any species 0.
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Post by smedz on Nov 16, 2019 8:31:48 GMT -5
No Short-Faced Bear in its right mind would tangle with such an animal. And poor grappling skills? I always thought they were good grapplers. Mind sending me the source for that?
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Post by brobear on Nov 16, 2019 9:13:52 GMT -5
No Short-Faced Bear in its right mind would tangle with such an animal. And poor grappling skills? I always thought they were good grapplers. Mind sending me the source for that? I would have to search for it; but its in the Arctodus simus thread.
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