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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 16, 2019 13:45:29 GMT -5
No Short-Faced Bear in its right mind would tangle with such an animal. And poor grappling skills? I always thought they were good grapplers. Mind sending me the source for that? Here is one source:
domainofthebears.proboards.com/post/6221/thread
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Post by BruteStrength on Nov 17, 2019 0:20:19 GMT -5
I think if we use the largest shortface bear specimen then the bear would win. But if we use the regular shortg=face bear then the hippo would win.
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Post by brobear on Mar 12, 2020 3:52:21 GMT -5
Merriam Webster: Definition of pachyderm : any of various nonruminant mammals (such as an elephant, a rhinoceros, or a hippopotamus) of a former group (Pachydermata) that have hooves or nails resembling hooves and usually thick skin. Since this topic often surfaces on various wrong topics, I have decided to offer this debate; hopefully we will reach some agreements here. Lion / tiger vs adult rhinoceros, adult hippopotamus, or adult elephant. Go for it. Edit and add: we also have a topic here: "Kodiak Bear vs Sumatran Rhinoceros" which is the largest living grizzly subspecies vs the world's smallest rhinoceros. But even in this contest we arguably give the world's biggest grizzly only a 50-50 chance against the world's smallest rhinoceros. There is also a pygmy hippopotamus which can weigh up to 600 pounds. In this face-off I would give a big boar grizzly a sure win. But for a grizzly; this is the limit where pachyderms are concerned.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 12, 2020 5:07:23 GMT -5
Do you want captive accounts of tigers/lions vs Pachyderms also?
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Post by brobear on Mar 12, 2020 5:13:37 GMT -5
Do you want captive accounts of tigers/lions vs Pachyderms also? Anything you have that you feel is real.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 12, 2020 5:21:42 GMT -5
It is my understanding that when a tiger kills a good sized elephant in the wild, he just walks up to him with his speed, rapid swipe its most vulnerable part, its trunk, and then run away. Later on, when the elephant is bleeding to death or already dead, that is when the tiger comes back and starts feeding. Call this a "fight" if you will.
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Post by brobear on Mar 12, 2020 5:23:13 GMT -5
It is my understanding that when a tiger kills a good sized elephant in the wild, he just walks up to him with his speed, rapid swipe its most vulnerable part, its trunk, and then run away. Later on, when the elephant is bleeding to death or already dead, that is when the tiger comes back and starts feeding. Call this a "fight" if you will. Is this a joke or reality?
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 12, 2020 5:31:09 GMT -5
Reality. How else do you think a 500 lb tiger can kill an elephant? By grabbing the throat and biting it? The elephant's neck is larger than the whole tiger.
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Post by brobear on Mar 12, 2020 5:47:08 GMT -5
Reality. How else do you think a 500 lb tiger can kill an elephant? By grabbing the throat and biting it? The elephant's neck is larger than the whole tiger.
I had this image of a tiger leaping upon the back of an elephant and using both teeth and claws on it's hide - a quick hit-and run attack; leaving the elephant bleeding. Question; the lions that go night-hunting for elephants and kill sub-adults equally as large as adult Asian elephants, what is their killing technique?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 5:50:22 GMT -5
It is my understanding that when a tiger kills a good sized elephant in the wild, he just walks up to him with his speed, rapid swipe its most vulnerable part, its trunk, and then run away. Later on, when the elephant is bleeding to death or already dead, that is when the tiger comes back and starts feeding. Call this a "fight" if you will. You are 1000% correct When tigers killl adult elephants, the first thing they do is this to the elephant skin So the first thing they do is totally maul the elephant Pls read this account carefully As you can see the entire thing needs mauling Then the elephant bleeds to death
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 5:52:34 GMT -5
Reality. How else do you think a 500 lb tiger can kill an elephant? By grabbing the throat and biting it? The elephant's neck is larger than the whole tiger.
I had this image of a tiger leaping upon the back of an elephant and using both teeth and claws on it's hide - a quick hit-and run attack; leaving the elephant bleeding. Question; the lions that go night-hunting for elephants and kill sub-adults equally as large as adult Asian elephants, what is their killing technique? Lions just do this Whether it is adult or subadult the technique is the same
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 5:59:33 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 12, 2020 6:10:25 GMT -5
My theory is stated above, i did not read it anywhere by the way, its just my theory. But if you really think about it, its a pretty good theory. How would a 500 lb Bengal tiger kill Asiatic elephants that weight between 6000 to 12.000 lbs? By ambush, by a bite to the base of the skull which is how tigers usually kill? Even if the tiger is able to jump on the back of the elephant, i see it very hard for it to not be shaken off real fast. Anyways, the elephant's neck is larger than the whole god damn tiger. Lets be real here and think about my "theory" here as i see it as the only way possible.
"The trunk has about 150,000 muscle units and tendons that provide the elephant precision, as well as strength of movement"
nationalzoo.si.edu/animals/asian-elephant
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 6:12:04 GMT -5
Thats why said your theory correct
Stay on topic for Bear's sake
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 12, 2020 6:17:18 GMT -5
Thats why said your theory correct Stay on topic for Bear's sake I am on topic, i talked about elephants. Am glad you agree with my theory.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 6:18:39 GMT -5
Yeah good becoz ur theory is correct read this wait a minuto This is how a tiger kills an adult elephant "If the tiger ever stands still, the elephant will crush him with his mighty tusks. But the tiger will not stand still. He will leap upon the back of the elephant, tearing huge chunks from his side, and then he will leap back into the dark jungle. And slowly the elephant will bleed to death." books.google.it/books?id=7i0jGxysUUcC&pg=PA104&dq=%22If+the+tiger+ever+stands+still,+the+elephant+will+crush+him+with+his+mighty+tusks.+But+the+tiger+will+not+stand+still.+He+will+leap+upon+the+back+of+the+elephant,+tearing+huge+chunks+from+his+side,+and+then+he+will+leap+back+into+the+dark+jungle.+And+slowly+the+elephant+will+bleed+to+death.%22&hl=it&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwinu5rN6JToAhWzwAIHHfG8AGkQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=%22If%20the%20tiger%20ever%20stands%20still%2C%20the%20elephant%20will%20crush%20him%20with%20his%20mighty%20tusks.%20But%20the%20tiger%20will%20not%20stand%20still.%20He%20will%20leap%20upon%20the%20back%20of%20the%20elephant%2C%20tearing%20huge%20chunks%20from%20his%20side%2C%20and%20then%20he%20will%20leap%20back%20into%20the%20dark%20jungle.%20And%20slowly%20the%20elephant%20will%20bleed%20to%20death.%22&f=false
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 12, 2020 6:24:11 GMT -5
Ok, there are several accounts of elephants killing big cats, so i will post them little by littleWILD ELEPHANT TRAMPLES A BENGAL TIGER TO DEATH AT KAZIRANGA NATIONAL PARK.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 6:25:46 GMT -5
There are also several accounts of big cats killing elephants Even I will post some wait Ok lets start with lions 1. Male lion alone killed a big young elephant Lionesses kill a 2 ton elephant Lions have killed adult elephants "We should make clear to begin with that these are not just any old lions, behaving spontaneously or opportunistically: they are a specialised, highly experienced population that have, uniquely, become elephant killers. While there are some major questions as to how the Savuti lions learnt to do this, Planet Earth didn’t, unfortunately, touch on how old this culture is, or how it originated. It is thought that the Savuti lions have learnt over time to kill bigger and bigger prey, each time winning success by the virtue of their large pride size. Lions elsewhere can – opportunistically – kill Cape buffalo Syncerus caffer* (weighing c. 1000 kg) and sometimes hippo Hippopotamus amphibious (c. 1500-3500 kg), and it has been speculated that, after learning to successful tackle and kill hippo, the lions became bold enough to begin regularly taking juvenile elephants, eventually moving up to adults. And if you’re wondering: YES, the Savuti lions have been recorded attacking and killing adult elephants." darrennaish.blogspot.com/2006/11/giant-killers-macropredation-in-lions.htmlThe tiger 1, Tiger kills a tusker KOCHI: In a rare incident, a tusker was killed by a tiger inside the Eravikulam Wildlife Park near Munnar on Monday. Forest officials said the body of the tusker was found by the forest watchman of the area. A team of officials, along with veterinary doctors, have gone to the spot to conduct a postmortem. “We believe that only one tiger was involved in the attack as there are only pug marks of one tiger,” he said. www.newindianexpress.com/cities/kochi/2009/jun/02/tiger-kills-elephant-at-eravikulam-park-53990.htmlTigers started killing adult rhinos “The worrying part is that tigers have started killing full grown rhinos. Earlier it was only the calves the tigers used to attack but now the full grown rhinos are being targeted,” said Bankim Sharma, the divisional forest official of the park. bigcatrescue.org/trouble-for-rhino-from-poacher-and-bengal-tiger/
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 12, 2020 6:28:41 GMT -5
Reply #13....holy Crap there you go. That is very similar to my theory. Hurt the elephant and run away into the jungle, when the elephant bleeds to death, the tiger comes back. See brobear? And this is why in captivity, locked in a cage or pit with no escape, there is NOT ONE account of a big cat killing an elephant. The elephants crushed the big cats every single time and i will show it all.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 12, 2020 6:36:26 GMT -5
What i see Mr Apex king, is that you will post all the accounts of tigers/lions killing elephants, (true to your nature of being a tiger fan of course). So later on, when i get off work, i will post all the accounts of elephants destroying both lions and tigers. How does that sound?
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