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Post by brobear on Dec 16, 2020 17:45:53 GMT -5
Eight individual bodymass estimates can be derived from specimens from the Ngandong faunal level. At that level, individual bodymass estimates vary from 131 kg to 470 kg, the largest being 3.6 times larger than the smallest one. This range in body mass of fossil tigers is only slightly greater than the range recorded in recent tiger populations, making extinct and modern tigers comparable in body mass. *from 131kg ( 289 lbs ) to 470 kg ( 1,036 lbs ). *The average would lie somewhere between 290 pounds and 1,000 pounds.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 16, 2020 17:53:07 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 16, 2020 18:10:36 GMT -5
The Ngadong tiger at max weights according to the chart above exceeds that of the max weight of the smilodon populator even though it is not peer reviewed..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2020 18:12:35 GMT -5
The Ngadong tiger at max weights according to the chart above exceeds that of the max weight of the smilodon populator even though it is not peer reviewed.. Yeah but there was 517 kg smilodon specimen.
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Post by brobear on Dec 16, 2020 18:19:26 GMT -5
freak max weights are interesting, but also rather meaningless. How heavy was a typical full-grown male Ngaddong tiger? Smilodon populator?
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 16, 2020 18:21:20 GMT -5
See here, GRIZZLY CLAWS, on the Ngandong tiger:
wildfact.com/forum/topic-ngandong-tiger-panthera-tigris-soloensis?pid=71339#pid71339
1. The largest specimen probably exceeded 1000 lbs.
2. All those even-toed ungulates available in the Pleistocene Southeast Asia; mostly bovids, sometimes also on tapirs, young elephants and rhinos.
3. Abundant preys available, also no peer competitor.
4. This tiger was the apex predator on the region, other local predators were much smaller like leopards, dholes, hyenas. Maybe other primitive humans like Homo erectus whose technologies weren't advanced enough to pose a significant threat.
5. Likely one of the largest prehistoric felids, and rivalled by the largest Pleistocene lions and Smilodon populator.
Here is the most recent paper that referred to the Ngandong tiger, if you are interested to read it.
(Link already posted by Cheetah)
pdfs.semanticscholar.org/1b74/4a3f6bab9689b2de3267c3d9cf0787e23fb9.pdf
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 16, 2020 18:25:40 GMT -5
freak max weights are interesting, but also rather meaningless. How heavy was a typical full-grown male Ngaddong tiger? Smilodon populator? Smildon Populator average weight is 290 kg (640 lbs)
"Smilodon populator was substantially heavier and larger than any extant felid, with a body mass range of 220-360 kg. Particularly large specimens of S. populator almost certainly exceeded 400 kg in body mass"
You take the median of 220-360 kg and you get a 290 kg average.
www.researchgate.net/publication/7531697_Body_size_ofSmilodon_Mammalia_Felidae
Ngandong tiger average is somewhere between 550-600 lbs.
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Post by brobear on Dec 16, 2020 18:45:38 GMT -5
We should know that a tiger needs a substantial head-and-body length advantage to be as heavy as a brown bear. Amur brown bear at 211 cm = 6 feet 11 inches. / 257.7 kg = 568 pounds. This is just 9 inches shorter in length than the Ngandong tiger. Therefore, the tiger should actually weigh less than 568 pounds. At equal weight, a the tiger normally has a head-and-body length advantage of well over a foot ( 30.48 cm ).
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