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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 21:47:08 GMT -5
Nice one. I think a barren ground grizzly will drive away the tiger too as it has driven off larger polar bears without fear.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 22:03:21 GMT -5
Yes, that would have to be the aggressive Tibetan blue bear and not the more timid Himalayan red bear ( IMO ). It still baffles me that reality is different from films where the red characters are more aggressive and powerful than blue characters (e.g. red power ranger > blue power ranger). In reality blue star and hotter than red stars and tibetan blue bears are more aggressive and carnivorous than red bears .
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Post by BruteStrength on Apr 8, 2019 3:23:10 GMT -5
Did the tibetan blue bear displaced male adult tigers?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 3:24:32 GMT -5
Did the tibetan blue bear displaced male adult tigers? Look at King Kodiak's account, the tibetan blue bear is capable of doing so.
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Post by smedz on Oct 31, 2019 19:46:53 GMT -5
I was thinking about the interactions between tigers and bears, and I realized that unlike the relationships in the Russian Far East, the interactions between tigers and moon bears in countries like Bhutan, Nepal, and India. So I was thinking of this.
1. To create a thread on the subject.
2. Post as much information available, in Russia, India, Nepal, Bhutan, and all the other countries where they coexist.
3. With the information, come to a conclusion on the matter.
So post whatever you can find.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 31, 2019 19:51:35 GMT -5
Right now I am on my mobile phone. Therefore, I am unable to post acccounts (will do so later when I get home on my computer). Thee are cases of moon bears fighting off tigers. However, in a fight to death, the tiger beats the Asiatic black bear.
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Post by brobear on Nov 1, 2019 0:37:47 GMT -5
bigcatrescue.org/himalayan-bear-killed-by-tiger/ 11 November, 2009 – In the first recorded incident of its kind in Bhutan, a Himalayan black bear was killed and eaten by a royal Bengal tiger in the Jigme Dorji national park. “Usually the Himalayan black bear is a powerful foe for any tiger and they avoid each other, but here the bear seems to be a juvenile at 2-3 years and hence did not have the muscle and fighting abilities it gets by the time it reaches its adult age of 5 years,” said Dr Sonam Wangyel, the chief forestry officer and wildlife biologist. He said that it was likely that the two animals met accidentally.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 1, 2019 5:31:29 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Nov 1, 2019 5:54:47 GMT -5
A tiger has no desire to go head-to-head with any species of bear.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 1, 2019 6:59:49 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 1, 2019 7:00:40 GMT -5
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 1, 2019 7:04:05 GMT -5
Black bear torn to pieces by tigers in Shanghai park.Horrified visitors saw the 3-year-old Asiatic black bear — also called the moon bear — stray into the Siberian tiger zone at the park in the Pudong New Area. Shanghai Wildlife Park pledged yesterday to improve security after a young bear was torn to pieces by tigers. Horrified visitors saw the 3-year-old Asiatic black bear — also called the moon bear — stray into the Siberian tiger zone at the park in the Pudong New Area. A video clip posted online showed the bear rear up onto its hind legs in a desperate bid to defend itself from four encroaching tigers, before being knocked over and killed. The cries of shocked visitors can be heard in the background, during the incident on Monday afternoon. A later photograph posted online showed more than 10 tigers feeding on the bear's body. Management of the park said the young bear had only two months ago been moved to the bear zone of the park, which offers a freer habitat. While different zones are separated by gates and electric fences, the bear slipped into the tiger zone through a gate alongside a sightseeing bus. "The bear was frightened for some reason and ended up running into the tiger zone," said Ni Li, a park official. But what exactly frightened the bear remained unclear, she said, adding it’s rare for bears to act like that. Ni said in the lead-up, the bus had obscured security camera views of the bear, making it unclear what had spooked it. www.china.org.cn/environment/2015-08/14/content_36302963.htm
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 1, 2019 7:09:17 GMT -5
Found this on google.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 1, 2019 7:19:56 GMT -5
These may be useful. Two of them refer to eyewitness accounts. "Various reactions were observed in such situations in the case of bears. One brown bear, which was staying in an area permanently inhabited by tigers, clearly felt himself to be the complete master in that place. Another brown bear, once abruptly turned away from his former path upon his encounter with tiger tracks. But a large, apparently male, Himalayan (or Asiatic black) bear (which we observed visually), like the brown bear that has already been mentioned, clearly did not fear the presence of tigers. He walked along the tiger's tracks and rested in the same wild boar den as did the tiger" (source: sixote-alin.ru/books/ecolog/ch12_en.html). "I heard it snuffing the air, and knew it to be a bear. The smell of blood was attracting him, but mingled with it was the less welcome smell of a human being, and taking no chances he was very carefully stalking the kill. His nose, the keenest of any animal's in the jungle, had apprised him while he was still in the valley that the kill was the property of a tiger. This to a Himalayan bear who fears nothing, and who will, as I have on several occasions seen, drive a tiger away from its kill, was no deterrent, but what was, and what was causing him uneasiness, was the smell of a human being mingled with the smell of blood and tiger..." (source: archive.org/stream/maneatersofkumao029903mbp/maneatersofkumao029903mbp_djvu.txt). "The only natural enemy of the Amur tiger is the brown bear. Adult male brown bears can attack female and young tigers with the intention of eating them. Brown and Himalayan bears also scavenge on tiger kills and can chase tigers off their kill. This means that tigers have to kill additional prey" (source: amurinfocenter.org/upload/iblock/9fc/strategy_tiger_eng.pdf). Credited to Rorqual from Carnivora. carnivora.net/-t6877.html?
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Post by brobear on Nov 1, 2019 7:22:45 GMT -5
#1- Tiger is after a bear which had retreated up a tree. A tiger will chase a retreating bear. #2- Juvenile bears. #3- Tiger kills bear in an *ambush attack.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 1, 2019 8:04:17 GMT -5
This is actually a sloth bear. There are no Himalayan black bears at Rathambore national park. I can see the tiger finally ran away when the bear decided to come down.
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Post by smedz on Nov 1, 2019 14:24:52 GMT -5
From "Interspecific Relations between the Amur Tiger (Panthera tigris altaica) and Brown( Ursus arctos) and Asiatic Black (Ursus thibetanus) Bears"
"In terms of the way in which bears took hold of tiger prey, significant differences were revealed. Asiatic black bears mostly used the prey after the tigers have left, where brown bears took the prey away from tigers or shared it with them (Table 2). This is, apparently, due to the fact that the Asiatic black bear avoids the tiger to a greater degree than the brown bear."
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 1, 2019 15:35:14 GMT -5
Who here would love to see a 3 year old tiger thrown in an enclousure with 12 full grown grizzly bears? I know i would.
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Post by brobear on Nov 2, 2019 3:39:22 GMT -5
This is actually a sloth bear. There are no Himalayan black bears at Rathambore national park. I can see the tiger finally ran away when the bear decided to come down. At a quick glance, I thought this was just a still picture. You are right though; this is a sloth bear. Unlike a black bear, they rarely climb a tree to escape danger.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 2, 2019 7:23:42 GMT -5
This is actually a sloth bear. There are no Himalayan black bears at Rathambore national park. I can see the tiger finally ran away when the bear decided to come down. At a quick glance, I thought this was just a still picture. You are right though; this is a sloth bear. Unlike a black bear, they rarely climb a tree to escape danger. Yeah rarely. The funny thing though is that when the bear got pissed off and wanted to fight, the tiger ran away.
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