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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 9, 2021 6:06:37 GMT -5
How do you know it wasn't? It most likely was. Publications make mistakes all the time.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jan 9, 2021 6:14:18 GMT -5
Quote: At weight parity, it is debatable in my opinion although the bear still has my vote. *Weight-parity has no place in a big cat vs polar bear topic. N/A. True. I should have been more specific, tigers and lions do overlap in weight with the smaller brown bear subspecies. Back to the yellowish white bear vs big cat, the male polar bear is too big and strong for any big cat (extinct and extant). However, female polar bears do overlap in weight with smilodon populators and American lions.
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Post by brobear on Jan 9, 2021 6:34:05 GMT -5
How do you know it wasn't? It most likely was. Publications make mistakes all the time. I saw it and read it. It was a creation by big cat fanboys - not a newspaper publication. Peter saw it, BigBonns saw it, everyone on AVA read that crap. It originated from one of their "Tiger Worship" sites, similar to one you are familiar with. Edit and add: how does not misprint male for female as well as "double the weight" for "nearly as heavy"?
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 9, 2021 6:40:19 GMT -5
I saw it also, tons of times. What matters is that its resolved.
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Post by kesagake on Jan 27, 2021 10:58:15 GMT -5
Oh sorry. It's true I haven't yet told you that. But I exposed some accounts.
Here's the photo of the Bear, whose Pig Pork Lord stated it was killed by Tiger.
Here's me refuting Lions killing Bears in Roman Arenas.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 27, 2021 11:38:42 GMT -5
Yeah, i dont think he uses that pic anymore, it has been completely exposed. By the way, in your description of the video you put that it happened in Hokkaido, Japan, but that event happened in the Bieszczady Mountains, Poland.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jan 29, 2021 6:13:41 GMT -5
Before animal rights existed, I believe the poorly kept polar bears in circuses were green because of algae.
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Post by brobear on Feb 3, 2021 5:13:39 GMT -5
All historical fights between a big cat and a polar bear recorded are from the 19th and early 20th centuries. All information comes from old newspaper reports. Those old newspapers relied heavily on sensationalism. They needed exciting stories to sell their newspapers. Competition between newspapers was hot. Some tales were pure fiction and the true tales were often exaggerated. Add to this the fact that bears were commonly under-fed and/or malnourished in both zoos and circuses. While big cats had to be fed meat, bears could be fed much cheaper with vegetation. Captive polar bears were never as big nor as healthy as those living in the wild. Fact: Lion or tiger vs full-grown male polar bear is a mismatch - the bear will win this fight almost every time. *To answer the question: Did tigers and lions kill healthy polar bears? No; never.
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Post by brobear on Apr 17, 2021 5:12:55 GMT -5
*In a face-to-face fight, the adult male polar bear is more than a match for any big cat of any species from any time period.
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Post by Montezuma on Apr 17, 2021 6:26:43 GMT -5
Comparing adult male polar bear against tiger or lion is just like comparing a buffalo against deer. Its totally unfair.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 18, 2021 1:58:34 GMT -5
Comparing adult male polar bear against tiger or lion is just like comparing a buffalo against deer. Its totally unfair. True a male polar bear is too big for any big cat, extinct or extant. However, a smilodon populator and American lion can take out a female polar bear more often than not. There is not much sexual demorphism between the male and female smilodons.
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Post by brobear on Apr 18, 2021 2:24:08 GMT -5
Comparing adult male polar bear against tiger or lion is just like comparing a buffalo against deer. Its totally unfair. True a male polar bear is too big for any big cat, extinct or extant. However, a smilodon populator and American lion can take out a female polar bear more often than not. There is not much sexual demorphism between the male and female smilodons. I agree, as can be seen in the topic: "Amur tiger vs polar bear sow" the polar she-bear is roughly at weight-parity with a male Bengal tiger.
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Post by brobear on Apr 18, 2021 5:36:06 GMT -5
*OK, it is ( IMO ) a hard cold fact that in a face-to-face confrontation, no big cat has ever lived that could defeat a full-grown male polar bear. However, the question remains, could a big cat kill a polar bear in a stealthy ambush attack? 1- The polar bear's neck is not as thick as that of a big brown bear. Is the neck of a big boar polar bear thick enough to prevent a quick kill from a bite at the base of the skull from a lion or a tiger? 2- Theoretically, if a polar bear were ambushed by a big saber-toothed cat, such as Smilodon populator, could the big cat use his terrible teeth to slay the great white bear?
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 18, 2021 8:08:26 GMT -5
I doubt any big cat can kill a male polar bear even by ambush. Firstly, Siberian Tiger Project has already debunked the myth of Dale ‘killing’ male Ussuri brown bears twice his weight. While not having a neck as thick as a brown bear pound to pound, male polar bears have survived fights with each other. Also it is dangerous for a Siberian tiger to attack a male Ussuri brown bear even by ambush. Therefore a male polar bear beats any big cat face to face. Even if attacked by ambush, these flexible forearms can still be used.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 18, 2021 8:09:40 GMT -5
It is dangerous for a Smilodon to ambush a male yellowish white bear. The male polar bears flexible forearms can still reach the smilodon.
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Post by brobear on Apr 18, 2021 8:13:01 GMT -5
I doubt any big cat can kill a male polar bear even by ambush. Firstly, Siberian Tiger Project has already debunked the myth of Dale ‘killing’ male Ussuri brown bears twice his weight. While not having a neck as thick as a brown bear pound to pound, male polar bears have survived fights with each other. Also it is dangerous for a Siberian tiger to attack a male Ussuri brown bear even by ambush. Therefore a male polar bear beats any big cat face to face. Even if attacked by ambush, these flexible forearms can still be used. The reason that an ambush attack upon a big brown bear is ineffective is the bear's incredibly thick neck. So, the question is, does the polar bear, whose neck is not as robust as that of a big brownie, have a neck thick enough to counter the big cat's bite?
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 18, 2021 8:16:15 GMT -5
Does the polar bear have a neck thick enough? Yes. The males aggressively fight each other during mating season sometimes to death but it takes a long time for one to kill another. I am sure one male polar bear would have an easier time killing the largest big cat than it own kind.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 18, 2021 8:18:26 GMT -5
I know some will say that big cats have bitten through croc armor which is true. However crocs are not as mobile nor do they have the flexible forearms of a bear. Plus these crocs killed were not the largest ones. One more thing: From the pictures of size comparisons posted by Taker, a male polar bear has a thicker neck than all big cats and a neck just as thick as a smaller male brown bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 21, 2021 22:42:30 GMT -5
I love the name change of this thread, very nice.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Apr 25, 2021 0:51:08 GMT -5
I love the name change of this thread, very nice. Better still the thread topic should be called male polar bear is too big and strong for any big cat even extinct ones. The female polar bears might be able to beat any big cat except a few extinct ones. Otherwise the topic Brobear makes is a good one.
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