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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 5:02:35 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 5:03:56 GMT -5
"But at present, tigers do not live permanently on Khekhtsir. Since 2013, only their annual visits have been noted [ 6 ,7 ], which are mainly confined to the warm season (April-October). In 1992–2007, when a sedentary group of tigers lived on Khekhtsir, adult male brown bears treated their fresh tracks calmly and could move both along them and in the opposite direction. For example, on November 27, 1992, in the upper reaches of the river. Bykov's brown bear, following the trail of the tigress, trampled, and then followed her for about 2 km, periodically dodging to the side. The height of the snow cover along the route of the animals was 9–14 cm." elementy.ru/nauchno-populyarnaya_biblioteka/434170/Burye_medvedi_Bolshogo_Khekhtsira?from=rxblock
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 5:06:51 GMT -5
Biologist Dale Miquelle says how in a kill dispute reaction, a brown bear displaced a tiger from its kill; which show the "bears dominance over a tiger". books.google.com.pk/books?id=ngRHjR6xumgC&pg=PA201&dq=dale+miquelle+tiger+bear&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=dale%20miquelle%20tiger%20bear&f=false “I have a story that supports this conjecture, too. I was once an a kayaking trip in the Siberian tiger reserve along the eastern seaboard of Russia- when I met a field researcher, Dale Miquelle,who to of a story once arriving at a site where a tiger has just made a kill of a large deer. Miquelle knew the tiger was very close; he even assumed the cat was watching him as he stopped to examine the deer. Suddenly a huge brown bear (very closely related to the grizzly) bushes out of the bush, and Miquell, screaming and jumping backward, fell down an embankment That, likelihood , saved him from a severe mauling. The startled bear ran off, and once Miquelle calmed himself, he examined the tracks around the deer and reconstructed what happened. The tiger had killed the deer, but then the bear had arrived and stolen the kill from the tiger. This was the first time that a scientist had ever established the order of dominance between big cats and big bears.”
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 5:08:44 GMT -5
In another email, bear expert David Meanwell favours a bear over a tiger in a fight; adding another expert opinion in bear's favour. He is basically talking in general. That as a rule, tigers always kill bears via ambush where he favours the tiger. But, in fights, tiger simply run away. Which means bears generally defeat tigers in fights.
The email:
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 5:10:17 GMT -5
And i shouldn't forget to mention here that Brown bear are also known as Master of the taiga, mountains and even water bodies in Amur region. Showing that they arn't subordinates to tigers. beargorillarealm.proboards.com/thread/53/master-taiga So as we can see, more and more, newer and newer scientific studies show that bears mostly dominate tigers in far eastern russian and the opposite is simple fraud, bring exposed. More information would be posted. Until then, enjoy the thread!
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 5:11:01 GMT -5
*Note that everything in this topic - Brown Bears dominate, kill, eat and rob tigers - above this post, was first posted by Montezuma. ___________________________________________________________________ Just a few points I wish to make; then I will not be seen on this topic again. #1- Several biologists mention that the tiger is usually able to kill the brown bear by ambush. This is referring to she-bears. #2- How often a boar brown bear displaces a male tiger is unknown. When the tiger relinquishes his kill giving no physical resistance, there is no evidence to be found at the kill site. Black bears displace cougars. Sloth bears displace leopards. In both cases, the cats surrender their kills with no physical contact to the bear. This is called; "basic cat behavior." #3- Reply #243 - domainofthebears.proboards.com/thread/1152/advantages-disadvantages-face-off?page=13
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 5:26:40 GMT -5
Neutral Advantages which can lean in either direction according to the individual animal rather than species:
1- Experience: This advantage clearly depends on each individual animal. Lion vs tiger; in some cases the lion might have more experience, while in another confrontation, the tiger might have more fighting experience. Same holds true with big cat vs bear.
2- Claws: The claws of a cat are sharper due to the fact that they are retractable. A big cat's claws are deeply hooked for the purpose of holding onto a large prey animal so as to pull him down. On the flip side, those deeply hooked claws can get caught in the tough hide of his prey or adversary, just as the claws of a house cat often gets hung-up on padded furniture in a house. This can be a major disadvantage in a fight.
The claws of a brown bear are long with a shallower curve. Although less sharp than the claws of a big cat, they are sharp enough to do considerable damage, much like the long claws of an unclipped dog.
3- Aggressiveness: Here again, this advantage goes to the individual. In some cases the lion, in some cases the tiger, and in some cases the bear.
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Advantages of the Lion or Tiger against a Brown Bear:
1- Speed: The running speed of a brown bear is 30mph. Reportedly, in a short dash, a brown bear might reach roughly 40 mph. The running speed of a lion or tiger is ( correct me if I'm wrong ) 35 mph. In that short burst of speed used in executing an ambush attack, lions and tigers have been estimated at reaching somewhere between 50 and 60 mph.
2- Quickness: I consider this as being different from speed. Example: A cheetah can run faster than a leopard but I'm pretty sure that a leopard is quicker in a fight. A brown bear is not slow but I believe that a big cat is just a little quicker.
3- Agility: A brown bear is far more agile that an observer would expect him to be for such a heavy-built animal. But, a cat is a contortionist. He can twist and turn almost as if he has a reptilian spine.
4- Jaws and teeth: At size-parity ( which means equal HB length ) a big cat has stronger jaws than a brown bear. This does not mean that the bear has a weak bite. Lions and tigers both have longer canine teeth than a brown bear. However, the bear's teeth are thick and deeply rooted; great for brawling.
5- Power: A big cat ( as I understand it ) has more explosive energy than the brown bear - for a limited amount of time.
6- Pull-Strength: This does not mean that a lion or a tiger can outmatch a brown bear in a tug-o-war contest. The big cat has more pull-strength in his arms than the bear. This pull-strength is aided by his deeply-hooked retractable claws. This strength is used to pull down large prey such as a buffalo.
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Advantages of a Brown Bear over a Lion or a Tiger:
1- Size and Weight: The average brown bear is larger and heavier than the average lion or tiger. The max brown bear is larger and heavier than the max lion or tiger. At equal HBL, a brown bear has a huge weight advantage.
2- Strength and Leverage: The brown bear has far superior over-all strength than any big cat. Because of his broader build (feet further apart) and shorter back, the brown bear has superior leverage.
3- Grappling Ability: A bear has a greater range of motion in his arms (fore-limbs). Also, from the time he is a small cub, a bear wrestles with his siblings. Cat kittens/cubs play at stalking and ambush.
4- Intelligence: Bears are grouped among the smartest of mammals along with the great apes, elephants, and Cetaceans. Although the measuring of animal intelligence is not a fool-proof science, many biologists and animal trainers agree.
5- Bipedal Ability: Big cats often start a fight on their hind legs delivering paw swipes. Not even a great ape has greater bipedal ability than a bear.
6- Stamina: A cat has poor stamina due to roughly 20 million years of ambush predation. A brown bear has very good stamina. Doug Peacock once observed a grizzly running 10 miles non-stop, after which he remained active.
7- Endurance to Pain and Injury: There is no way to prove who has this advantage. Any experimentation would include animal cruelty. But, from my reading of the grizzly; the brown bear certainly has my vote.
8- Paw-Strike: To my knowledge, the force of the paw-strike of the lion, the tiger, and the brown bear has never been scientifically measured. However, considering that at size-parity (equal HBL) the bear is stronger, the bear has a greater range of motion in his arms, and the brown bear in particular has a shoulder hump of muscles which reinforces his upper-body strength above that of other bear species at equal size, there remains no lingering doubt that the brown bear wins this contest.
9- Durability/Girth: Being broader in build with more fat and muscle covering his inner vitals, the bear has this one. Brown Bear's overall more robust bone structure would provide good resistance to the big Cats ' bites and paw swipes.
10- "Bulldog Build": There is a reason why among dogs, the bull-breeds are the fiercest fighters. Like a bulldog, a bear has a broad build which gives the impression of a short back. His slightly bowed legs and in-turned feet provides a superior grip (bear hug).
11- Plantigrade Posture: Being firmly planted on the ground rather than standing on his tippy-toes adds to the bear's superior stability.
12- Stability: Besides his plantigrade posture, the broad heavy build of the bear with his feet spaced apart makes him harder to knock down. We could compare a dining room table (bear) to a park bench (lion or tiger).
13- Tiny Eyes: A brown bear has relatively tiny eyes; a more difficult target.
14- Shoulder Hump (reinforces upper-body strength): this is why pound-for-pound, the brown bear is the strongest of bears.
15- Push Strength: While the big cat has superior pull strength, a bear has greater push strength.
16- Willingness to Fight Face-to-Face: This is a major advantage. Big cats are specialist predators - they are ambush predators. A big cat hates a face-to-face confrontation. This is the reason a big male tiger will most often walk away from even a female sloth bear when she musters-up the courage to stand her ground in defense. This is why a man is safe in tiger country when he wears a face mask on the back of his head. This is why lions will not attack cattle who has eyes painted onto their hind-quarters. This is the reason for the big V on the chest of the smaller Asiatic bears (sun bear, sloth bear, and moon bear).
A brown bear will go head-on against prey or adversary with no reluctance.
Advantages and Disadvantages in a face-off... more detailed.
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Post by Montezuma on Feb 9, 2024 9:17:07 GMT -5
Recent news:Large male Siberian tiger gets chased off by a hibernating male Brown bear!SOMEDAYS AGO, A LARGE MALE TIGER "ODYR" FINDS THE DEN OF A HIBERNATING BEAR, WHEN THE BEAR WOKE UP AND CAME OUT AND SHOWED IT SIZE, THE TIGER FLED.
How a tiger woke up a bear
At the end of January, during the regular monitoring of the controlled territory, state inspectors of the Bolshekhehtsirsky Nature Reserve of the Federal State Budgetary Institution "Reserve Priamurye" discovered traces of a very large bear.
A similar situation in the middle of winter occurs extremely rarely in the taiga, so experienced trackers decided to follow the bear’s trail to the den and find out the circumstances of the interruption of its hibernation.
“I believe the bear was lifted from its den by a tiger. After all, next to the footprints of the clubfoot, the paw prints of an Amur tiger three weeks ago are clearly visible,” says district state inspector of the Bolshekhehtsirsky Nature Reserve Yuri Kya.
A couple of days later, a message was received from the district state inspector of Bolshekhetsirsky, Sergei Lagutin, about a large male tiger (presumably Odyr) in the area of the Korfovsky-Khor power line, GPP FZ "KHEKHTSIRSKY". The striped predator was chasing a large herd of wild boars.
“At the time I met the tracks of wild boars, they were moving in a southwestern direction to the area of \u200b\u200bthe confluence of the Chirki and Malye Chirki rivers. There were piglets in the herd, the inspector notes. – Traces and waste products of a tigress (heel size 8 cm), presumably Zlata, were also recorded. She, along with the cubs, was spotted the day before by employees of the Khabarovsk Specialized Forestry State Autonomous Institution in a forest nursery (near the village of Vishnevka).”
On February 3, a group of state inspectors continued to monitor the territory in order to find out the circumstances of the bear’s premature awakening. They again traced the tracks of the animals and found the entrance trail of the bear, and then a temporary den, as well as a “bed” in front of the entrance to the “temporary hut.”
“Next, for safety reasons, we walked around the entrance trail in a circle. No traces of exit from the circle were found. This means that the bear lay down in the den and fell asleep again,” summarizes Yuri Kya. “There were three approaches to the area of the supposed den by a tiger two to three weeks ago, but no signs of a struggle were found.”
Inspectors believe that the tiger, having discovered a bear's den in its hunting area, began to indicate its dissatisfaction with a roar. To which the bear responded by leaving the den, showing its size. This ended the conflict.
By the way, when carrying out monitoring activities, the specialists of the “Reserved Priamurye” took into account the trace activity of 6 individuals of wapiti, 6 roe deer, 3 sable, 3 foxes, a red deer and a squirrel.
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