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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 4:17:45 GMT -5
PRINCE CHARGED ROSIE WITHOUT CAUTION, THAT IS THE FLAW IN TIGERS ATTACK TECHNIQUE. Meaning, non ambush attack on bear by tigers isn't general and effective naturally. 
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 4:19:35 GMT -5
According to the famous animal trainer, Clyde beatty, bears are more dangerous than lions, tigers, leopards or panthers.
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 4:20:43 GMT -5
According to the following statement by a russian expert, in bear vs tiger duel, a tiger always wins only by ambush while a bear "surely" conquers a tiger in a fair fight.
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 4:24:24 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 4:29:11 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 4:30:19 GMT -5
Brown Bear advantages:-
1. Larger and heavier
2. Stronger and more flexible forelimbs
3. Better Grappling ability
4. More robust and stronger muscles and body
5. A plantigrade structure (Better for fighting)
6. More stamina and endurance
7. More protective skin and fur
8. Better claws and stronger paw swipes
9. A warrior's temper
Tiger advantages:-
1. More agile and fast
2. Better bite
So as it is obviously seen, that brown bears have more advantages than tigers in a fight. And stating that bears are better fighters than tigers is a sensible thing rather than fantansy of tigerfan boys.
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 4:31:37 GMT -5
So from all the above given scientific data, here are our solid, confirmed, authentic and approved points that sharpely cut off tigerfan's fantansy claims.
1#. Brown bears are generally zero percent in tiger's diet. (The Siberian Tiger Project: Diet table)
2#. If preyed, those bears are always young and subadults, and very rarely female adults. (Ivan Seryodkin, N.A. Baikov)
3#. Tigers generally avoid brown bears and hesitate to attack them. (Alexander Batalov, N.A. Baikov)
4#. Male brown bears are not afraid of tigers. (Grigory Linkov)
5#. Brown bears can displace tigers from their kills including adult males and invariably dominate such disputes. (Miquelle, Tkachenko)
6#. A male brown bear can generally defeat a male male tiger in a fight. (Mikhail Krechmar)
7#. A tiger always chooses a bear about 100 pound smaller than himself. (BART SCHLEYER)
8#. If a tiger attacks by ambush, the tiger wins but if the ambush fails so the bear would surely conquer the tiger. (MIKHAILOVICH SHIROKOGOROV)
9#. Brown bear predation on tigers is very but becomes intense in harsh winters. (Gorokhov)
10#. No case of adult male brown bear killed by tiger is known to biologists. (Miquelle, Amurtiger centre)
11#. Female brown bear is more stronger than tigeress. (Alex Kulikov)
12#. Apart from human, brown bears have no natural enemies. (N.A. Baikov)
13#. Brown bears reap great benefit from tiger's winter kills. (Dale Miquelle)
14#. Brown bears are stronger and more enduring than the tigers. (Sysoev)
15#. Brown bears are the real master of the taiga as they are not afraid if tigers and can beat them.(Grigory linkov, Sysoev)
16#. Brown bear kleptoparasitism can effect tiger's prey selection meaning brown bears can effect tiger's survival rate. (Krofel, John Goldrich)
17# Brown bears are more dangerous and better fighters than tigers. (Clyde beatty)
I hope, everybody enjoyed this thread!!! Period!
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 4:33:50 GMT -5
From Yuliya Femonko, a russian biologist working in russian WWF for more than 15+ years. wwf.ru/en/about/people/yuliya-ruslanovna-fomenko/?send=ok Hello,
"In the wild tigers weighting 210 kg practically do not exist (if they are not fed in McDonalds!) As a rule, a a big male tiger that live in the Russian Far East weights about 180 kilograms. There are brown bears of 250 kilograms and even more no battles between big tigers and big brown bears were registered so far. A bear is usual Amur tiger prey and sometimes bears compose up to 20% in the tiger ration. As a rule, these are pretty young bears up to 2-3 years old weighting up to 100 kilograms.
"I think that the reals conflicts between big tigers and big bear happen just to demonstrate their status and not their force as the animals very clearly understand the threat of getting injured even if the wound could be not too serious. There are no hospitals and vets in the wild."
Therefore, the question who will win 250 or 210 is not correct for the wild environment.
The answers were provided by Pavel Fomenko, tiger expert from WWF.
Thanks a lot for your interest!
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 4:35:14 GMT -5
Note that in all her study tenure, she knew knew about any case of big battles between bears and tigers. So the Batalov's 2017 report gets easily debuncked here again. And here another tiger fan claim gets debuncked: according to the newest studies even big tigers only weigh 180 kgs and a 210 kg tiger isn't very uncommon. And here again, all thise bears killed by tigers, as a rule, are only 2-3 years old meaning non-mature subadults.
So again, Femonko debuncks some of tigerfan boys claims.
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 4:36:39 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 4:39:27 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 4:40:52 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 4:44:50 GMT -5
So here were some new updates to our topic giving more scientific proof of brown bears supreme dominance over tiger. Newer would be posted. I can't miss this one! A great proof by Warsaw showing that tigers avoid big brown bears!!!! From the same book "Big Game Hunting in Manchuria" N.A Baikov.
"Большого бураго медвeдя тигръ не трогаетъ, но гималайскаго преслeдуетъ усердно"
So Baikow says the same things over and over again "Большого бураго медвeдя тигръ не трогаетъ, но гималайскаго преслeдуетъ усердно"
Reply #285: carnivora.net/siberian-tiger-v-ussuri-brown-bear-t8294-s270.html |
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 4:48:34 GMT -5
Email from biologist David meanwell, Director of the Bear conservation society. uk.linkedin.com/in/david-meanwell-b960355 By providing accessible, accurate and comprehensive sources of information on all things "bear" we work to help those who want to learn more about bears and to use their knowledge to speak out for bears and to help achieve our vision. Since they have all information regarding bears of the world, i think, their opinion is reliable and here is the email. "Thanks for contacting us. Tigers are known to catch and kill bears for food. Usually these are young female Himalayan bears. Bears will always fight back and can inflict injuries on tigers, and probably sometimes kill them, so tigers are often very wary of attacking bears."
If you haven't looked at this page it has quite a bit of information on the subject:
a-z-animals.com/blog/bear-vs-tiger-who-would-win-in-a-fight/
Kind regards,
David
Bear Conservation
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 4:50:25 GMT -5
Single brown bear dominates three tigers at the same time!
mur-r.ru/books/item/f00/s00/z0000023/st011.shtml From Kuchrenko's book in 2016, an account is told where a fearless large brown bear makes an adult female and two adult male tigers to flee away; which shows the brown bear's dominance over tigers in taiga: “Once in November, when the first snow was already lying, but it was still warm, a large bear, fattened on abundant nuts, peacefully wandered along the cedar forest. And from under the river cliff three tigers fell out at once - a mother and her two almost adult sons. The tigress rushed at the bear with a menacing roar, but the bear did not budge, preparing for an oncoming jump. She hesitated, looked back at her overgrown beauties, and they went to the sides of the bear, copying their mother with a coughing growl. The bear was not afraid here either - he only gathered his pile of muscles into a single huge ball and prepared for battle, although he probably understood that he could not cope with three tigers. The tigers rushed at the daredevil several times, but he did not run. And they retreated, they left”.
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 4:51:51 GMT -5
More proof of bear's dominance over tigers in kill disputes: "Large bears chase tigers and frequently steal their prey. In such cases fights between beasts commonly occur, resulting in death of a tiger or a bear (Sysoyev, 1966 ;Kucherenko , 1971; Matyushkin, 1974) .”
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 4:53:23 GMT -5
From 2016 study by Ivan seryodkin "By using the remains of victims of other predators after their hosts have left them, brown bears act as commensals (Fig. 1). Brown bears often visit tiger victims”.
"Brown bears can be aggressive towards the predators (other bears, tigers) and people approaching their prey or carrion.”
"Four times out of five bears were burying their prey, twice — the prey of tigers (out of 20), in both cases the tigers were chased off by the bears, and twice the bears buried dead wounded animals found by them.”
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S207815201630027X |
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 4:56:35 GMT -5
Interestingly, most of us are unaware of it that tigers even make a little amount in brown bear's diet too.
The point is, that tigers are also on bear's menu according to scientific statics:
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 4:58:24 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Mar 18, 2023 5:00:55 GMT -5
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