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Post by arctozilla on Aug 5, 2022 4:26:55 GMT -5
We did it! Fraud Lord met his own doom. He got completely decimated.
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 6, 2022 0:08:48 GMT -5
Although it is not much related yet it still debuncks some of tigerfan's fantansy claim. So, they say that tugers are more revered than bears in Amur region? Well, thats wrong, since practical evidence shows that Ussuri brown bears are more revered than tigers in Manchuria. Need evidence? See here:-
beargorillarealm.proboards.com/post/4925/thread
And some tigerfans argue that the Amur natives do not call "Ussuri brown bears" and "lord of the taiga". Well, i have also debuncked their this claim too on this thread, where only i showed "USSURI BROWN BEAR BEING CALLED AS THE MASTER OF THE TAIGA/MOUNTAINS/ANIMALS BY THE NATIVE AMUR PEOPLE LIKE NANAI, GILYAKS, UDEGE ETC".
See from reply#30-35.
beargorillarealm.proboards.com/thread/53/master-taiga
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Post by Granolah on Aug 6, 2022 8:46:44 GMT -5
Nice!
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Post by brobear on Aug 9, 2022 2:29:10 GMT -5
The Boogeyman_wrote; But the fact is, that tigers clearly seem to reduce brown bear populations. So, "Tigers don't "reduce" the populations of brown bears in Primorye"but"clearly seem to reduce brown bear populations." Warsaw - Well, now you're contradicting yourself. OK.If the tiger can effectively"regulate brown bear populations"why
in 2005 -brown bear herszt in Primorsky Krai = 100 licenses. in 2014-15 -brown bear harvest in Primorsky Krai=150 licenses
in2022-2023brown bear harvest in Primorsky Krai==525 "Harvesting and culling programs for native animals must be based on current scientific data on population dynamics"
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 12, 2022 2:21:28 GMT -5
"According to John Valliant, tiger regularly hunt and eat brown bears".
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 12, 2022 2:26:47 GMT -5
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Post by arctozilla on Aug 24, 2022 2:23:02 GMT -5
"tiger kills polar bear at Cornwall" That bear was cub. The article states that the bear was 2 years old and polar bears aren't sexually mature until 6 years of age. "Male polar bears reach sexual maturity at about six years. Most male polar bears don't successfully mate until 8 to 10 years and older." seaworld.org/animals/all-about/polar-bears/reproduction/Another source states the tiger was young as well. But it doesn't specify how much young it was. It was probably older than the bear it killed. The incident happened in 1969 and Eugene Weidmann got 3 tigers during mid of '50s. www.telegraph.co.uk/obituaries/2018/01/25/eugen-weidmann-big-cat-wild-animal-circus-trainer-obituary/Here's a photo about the tigers they do look like more subadults than cubs. So it's clear that the tiger was much older than the bear. It was like a subadult man killing a secondary school kid. Even so polar bears are unhealthy in captivity.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Aug 24, 2022 2:46:42 GMT -5
/\ Nice but I have seen this account before.
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Post by brobear on Aug 24, 2022 3:04:59 GMT -5
/\ Nice but I have seen this account before. But, you haven't seen it here.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Aug 24, 2022 3:13:24 GMT -5
/\ Nice but I have seen this account before. But, you haven't seen it here. You are right. I saw it in King Kodiak’s forum.
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Sept 3, 2022 18:17:29 GMT -5
I was watching animal vs videos and I saw this (the top one)
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Sept 3, 2022 18:18:56 GMT -5
Ahem Attachments:
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Sept 3, 2022 18:20:21 GMT -5
Is there any debunking on that?
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Post by brobear on Sept 4, 2022 9:00:26 GMT -5
Post #91 is total tiger fanboy buffalo patties... #1 Fact: There is not one single confirmed case of a tiger ever killing an adult male brown bear. #2 Fact: A bear has superior stamina over a cat of any species.
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Post by Granolah on Sept 4, 2022 9:18:49 GMT -5
Straight BS accounts.
Mountain Lord posted half of the source because he is dishonest, both animals die.
Page 23-
“What results is a noticeable, heightened competition with the tiger for food. Adults of both species are equal in strength. We heard one story about how a large "brown," having taken on a wild board and covered it with scat and brushwood to make some "stewed boar, bear style," suddenly got paid a visit by a hungry tiger. Oh how much blood got shed! The owner of the kill died from terrible wounds and the disfigured tiger, moving off like a drunk, didn't even bother with the fresh spoils of the kill. Snow covered the tiger's tracks, and the king of the jungle was never seen again in those lands. Apparently, both animals finished their fight in the world beyond”
And to further include, the bear just fought and killed a boar so it’s obviously exhausted. Also, the term “large” bear proves nothing. We have accounts and reports females and young bears being called ‘giants.’
The Rakov account (December) was a hibernating bear. Unsure if it was a large or small bear. We can only use speculation here.
And rakov also reported a bear killing an adult tigress.
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Post by Granolah on Sept 4, 2022 9:20:41 GMT -5
Also, John himself said large adult male brown bears are superior to to tigers and that tigers occasionally kill bears in general.
And some of the of experts listed say completely difffent things.
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Post by brobear on Sept 4, 2022 10:05:04 GMT -5
Is there any debunking on that? Yes. 'The Amur Tiger' by Yury Dunishenko - who is this author? Like Granolah said, every bear, with the exception of small cubs, are referred to as "LARGE". This 'large brown bear" was obviously a she-bear. "A light tiger killed a large (male) brown bear. Rakov, 1965. There's that word "large" again. Why did Rakov (whoever that is) put the word "male" in parenthesis? Answer: sex unknown. 'The Tiger' - 'a true story of Vengeance and Survival' by John Vaillant. Actually, a work of fiction loosely based on facts. For survival, the biggest meanest male tiger in the taiga strictly avoids the full-grown male brown bear. *Edit and add: This idea of the tiger being "vengeful" is hype.
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Sept 4, 2022 14:23:53 GMT -5
Great job, I will keep providing "accounts" for you to debunk.
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Sept 4, 2022 20:32:25 GMT -5
Also, I know quite a bit of bear killing tiger threads were made in related forums, but i think there should be a main one here, a compilation of all believable accounts we have on bears killing tigers and maybe even debunks to the debunkings of our accounts.
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Post by brobear on Sept 8, 2022 13:47:58 GMT -5
Also, I know quite a bit of bear killing tiger threads were made in related forums, but i think there should be a main one here, a compilation of all believable accounts we have on bears killing tigers and maybe even debunks to the debunkings of our accounts. You're welcome to start that thread. There really isn't any accounts of a tiger ever killing a full-grown male brown bear. As for tigers killing adolescent brown bears and adult female brown bears, that has been going on over the course of roughly one million years. But, tigers have never killed enough brown bears to impact the brown bear population. As for brown bears killing tigers, it has been known to happen, but very likely under unusual circumstances. A big male bear simply does not make the choice, "I'm going tiger hunting today." No. He might catch the scent of tiger cubs and decide to check it out. Or, he just might blunder upon a tiger sleeping or for some reason not aware of his surroundings, and attack the big cat. But, such occurrences would be quite rare. A tiger can quite easily avoid bears. A bear is not going to waste time and energy tracking an animal as quick and elusive as a big cat for food. Besides, a deer or a wild boar is, I feel certain, much tastier. Also, even though the brown bear would win such an encounter nearly every time, he would not walk away without some very painful wounds from those awesome teeth and claws of the tiger. *Edit and add: I believe, because of observations of cougars and black bears/leopards and sloth bears, showing basic cat behavior, that it is extremely rare for a tiger to attempt to defend a carcass from an adult male brown bear by full-body contact (an actual fight).
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