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Post by brobear on Jun 13, 2022 3:45:46 GMT -5
India Hayford Casper College Anything can happen, Valentine. Given the right situation, I guarantee my daughter could wreck an assailant and I wouldn't count the tiger out either. There are plenty of stories about wolverines driving wolves and coyotes off kills despite size differences. Several years ago, I threw the field to a badger that I outweighed by 150 lbs- intimidation value of a good snarl and a show of teeth should not be underestimated. I'm not positive, but I think most kills made by throat grabbing come about by crushing the windpipe and not ripping out the jugular. There's time during the crushing process for the crushee to do considerable damage to the crusher while trying to dislodge the assailant. *Note: Back to the ridiculous wolverine vs grizzly bear topic? No contest here; bear wins.
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Post by brobear on Jun 13, 2022 3:47:17 GMT -5
Jan Tkadlec Charles University in Prague This is totaly not my field of expertise. However recently I came aross a book of Michel Pastoureau: Bear History Fallen King, that could be useful to resolve your puzzle: www.amazon.com/Bear-History-Fallen-King/dp/0674047826In one part he recapitullate animal fights in Roman circus where bear was mostly wining agains bulls, lions and other big animals with exceptions of one encounter with rhinoceros. Thuss I will bet on bear. *Smart answer.
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Post by brobear on Jun 13, 2022 3:48:57 GMT -5
India Hayford Casper College Ah, Valentine, maybe they'd be the Celtic Horde of tiger/grizzly combos and sack the city before the friendly Roman countrymen knew what was happening. I reread the original question and now have a question myself re: "...but tiger is more technical than grizzly." What did you mean by technical? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Valentine John Belfiglio Texas Woman's University Hi India, By technical I mean aggressiveness that combines effectiveness. An effective attack aimed at killing an opponent quickly by attacking the neck, holding onto the opponents upper body with the front paws and disemboweling him with the back paws. I also mean cleverness, avoiding the claws and bites of an opponent, combined with superior speed and reflexes. *Note: Why has no tiger ever made a confirmed kill on a full-grown male brown bear?
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Post by brobear on Jun 13, 2022 3:53:07 GMT -5
Ron Gazze NEE/FPL (NextEra Energy and Florida Power and Light corporations) In Northeastern Russia, these two animals encounter each other naturally and so the expected outcome is not a mystery. In head-to-head encounters on flat land (like in the gladiator fights), the bear wins the huge majority of the time. In the wild, however, what happens most frequently is that the tiger ambushes the bear by jumping from an overhanging rocky ledge or tree branch after the bear has just ambulated past—landing with force on the spine while using claws and teeth on the neck to rapidly dispatch the bear before a stand-off can ensue, which the tiger would likley lose. The evidence comes from wildlife cameras, necropsies, and scat evaluation. *Note: Adult male tigers only ambush bears smaller than themselves, nearly always by at least 100 pounds. Brown bears killed by tigers are always either adolescent bears or adult female bears. *This post began back at Reply #48 - Here is the proof that simply being a scientist does not make someone a wild animal expert.
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Post by brobear on Jun 16, 2022 1:47:09 GMT -5
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Post by yz on Jun 17, 2022 15:47:34 GMT -5
His opinion literally sounds like that of the average tiger fanboy. LOL. But he's not a zoologist so not sure why would anyone quote him.
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Post by Montezuma on Jun 18, 2022 23:50:01 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Jun 18, 2022 23:52:18 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Jun 19, 2022 0:34:15 GMT -5
We have 34 opinions favouring bears over big cats. Out of these, 13 opinions are found by me. .
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Post by brobear on Jun 19, 2022 2:11:16 GMT -5
His opinion literally sounds like that of the average tiger fanboy. LOL. But he's not a zoologist so not sure why would anyone quote him. Actually, #48 thru #63 covers 16 non-biology scientists. My point, being a college educated scientist does not raise one's opinion above another. In fact, not every biologist or zoologist is bear savvy.
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Post by brobear on Jun 19, 2022 5:15:20 GMT -5
Here is a prime example of someone ( biologist? ) answering a question while avoiding any conclusive thoughts. Syed mojiz ali Tirmizi:- "Hi, please reply me as i am a great fan of your work. Can a male brown bear beat a male tiger?" WCS:- "Thank you for your interest in wild animals. Typically, tigers do not associate with large bears and do not engage in open combat, as the outcome will be unknown. Both the tiger and the bear can win, or both can end up dying from their wounds in the fight. Syed mojiz ali Tirmizi:- "Hi, please reply me as i am a great fan of your work. Can a male brown bear beat a male tiger?" WCS:- "Thank you for your interest in wild animals. Typically, tigers do not associate with large bears and do not engage in open combat, as the outcome will be unknown. Both the tiger and the bear can win, or both can end up dying from their wounds in the fight. We hope that we have answered your question. All the best, ANO Society for the Conservation of Wild Animals." ________________________________________ *Quote: "We hope that we have answered your question." *Note: NO. His question was not answered. Such questions should be answered honestly without fearing offending someone.
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Post by Montezuma on Jun 26, 2022 0:53:00 GMT -5
I just read the whole newspaper. Colonel Maitlaud, is a british officier. He says that he have hunted Grizzly bears and he firmly claims that tiger is not 'king of carnivora' since a rocky mountain grizzly bear can beat him. "The Colonel states, "I can prove it. I have hunted in the Rocky mountains, and i can frankly state that the grizzly bear can whip any tiger that ever trod a nullah." Source:- Reference (14) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear-baiting
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Post by brobear on Jul 5, 2022 8:28:40 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jul 5, 2022 8:30:38 GMT -5
VALENTIN FILATOV-SOVIET BEAR TRAINER
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Post by Montezuma on Jul 19, 2022 3:33:39 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Jul 19, 2022 3:41:43 GMT -5
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 6, 2022 2:19:29 GMT -5
Opinion from Spencer Peter, a researcher on north american bears, who favours a large black bear over a large cougar in a fight. Me:- "Thanks for the reply. I understand that unlike grizzly bears, black bears are very passive bears. On the other hand, cougars are very cowardly."
"I want to ask that if a large aggressive black bear fight a large aggressive cougar in a "fight to death", with no escape; so who is more likely to kill the other? My guess is that the black bear would win due to superior size, strength and durability. Anyway, i am more interested in your opinion. Do you agree with me?"
Spencer:- "It is still a rather difficult question to answer with all the factors to consider. However, given the parameters you set I would agree. My opinion is that the black bear would probably win the fight. Also, keep in mind that my opinion is somewhat biased as I do work with black bears. Thank you for your question!"
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Post by brobear on Aug 6, 2022 2:57:22 GMT -5
IMO, the mere fact that there has never been any evidence found to suggest that either the puma or the jaguar hunt and kill adult Andean bears is in itself evidence that the Andean bear is the dominant Carnivoran of South America.
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Post by brobear on Aug 6, 2022 3:00:41 GMT -5
Opinion from Spencer Peter, a researcher on north american bears, who favours a large black bear over a large cougar in a fight. Me:- "Thanks for the reply. I understand that unlike grizzly bears, black bears are very passive bears. On the other hand, cougars are very cowardly."
"I want to ask that if a large aggressive black bear fight a large aggressive cougar in a "fight to death", with no escape; so who is more likely to kill the other? My guess is that the black bear would win due to superior size, strength and durability. Anyway, i am more interested in your opinion. Do you agree with me?"
Spencer:- "It is still a rather difficult question to answer with all the factors to consider. However, given the parameters you set I would agree. My opinion is that the black bear would probably win the fight. Also, keep in mind that my opinion is somewhat biased as I do work with black bears. Thank you for your question!"It is common knowledge that cougars are sometimes displaced from their kills by black bears. Never the other way around. 'Nuff said.
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Oct 15, 2022 19:07:42 GMT -5
I wish to see all Russian biologist opinions on who would win between a siberian tiger and a ussuri brown bear? Who has more opinions favouring them? I am interested.
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