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Post by brobear on Jun 3, 2022 0:30:28 GMT -5
King Kodiak - HERE ARE SOME OPINIONS FROM AN ANIMAL DEALER: "Supposing all the animals in the "zoo" at Regent's Park were to begin a fight to the death, who would be the ultimate victor? A well known animal dealer votes for the elephant. His trunk is his weapon, and he is the hardest hitter with it of all the animals" "In a lion and tiger fight, one would hardly back Leo, for he is generally several stones lighter than the tiger" "The grizzly bear is a formidable foe. He can punch like no animal save the elephant, one blow of his stupendous paw will break a horse's back, and when he clinches to avoid punishment, his hug will crush anything living. Besides this, nothing can break his pluck. He will fight as long as he can see or stand, and he is a glutton for punishment. None of the cat tribe could stand a tenth of the pounding which the grizzly takes without turning a hair. As an offset to the useful qualities i have enumerated, the bear is slow on his feet, and his eye is not good" trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/33198135?searchTerm=Bears%20are%20better%20fighters%20than%20lions
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Post by brobear on Jun 3, 2022 0:32:26 GMT -5
Continued:
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Post by brobear on Jun 3, 2022 0:34:12 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jun 3, 2022 0:35:31 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jun 3, 2022 0:39:14 GMT -5
King Kodiak - This is from the same book as reply #22, The minds and manners of wild animals, by William Temple Hornaday, American zoologist and conservationist. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Temple_Hornaday And here you can really see the great difference in behavior of bears and felines: At the New York zoological park, a male jaguar killed a female jaguar, "he had determined to murder her, but had cunningly concealed his purpose until his victim was fully in his power" Bears usually fight "on the square" openly and above-board, rarely committing foul murder. If one bear hates another, he attacks at the very first opportunity. He does not cunningly wait to catch the offender at a disadvantage and beyond the possibility of rescue. Sometimes a captive bear kills a cage-mate or mauls a keeper, but not by the sneaking methods of the human assasin who shoots in the dark and runs away.
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Post by brobear on Jun 3, 2022 0:41:17 GMT -5
actozilla - According to siberian tiger_center male bears are stronger and force tigers to give up their prey.
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Post by brobear on Jun 3, 2022 0:43:15 GMT -5
King Kodiak - BIG BONNS DIDN'T SHOW A SCREEN SHOT OF THIS EMAIL, SO IT SHOULD BE UNCONFIRMED, HOWEVER EVERYTHING STATED IS VERY RELIABLE: www.tapatalk.com/groups/animalsversesanimals/male-brown-bears-are-not-out-of-of-the-predatory-r-t1991-s310.html#p34583 Dimitri Pikunov, in his mail to Bonns, which was posted on the thread 'Mail from Dimitri Pikunov', stated " ... some Brown Bear ... can be extremely fiersome animals and are not on the Tigers list for a prey animal. Such a Brown Bear which decides not to flee the angry report of a Tiger warning will indeed win a fight with a Tiger of similar size. There have been several events recorded of fights and several mauled or killed Tigers owing to savage attacks by some of these Bears which are even more concern to the human traveller and field researcher. Very simplified, the 2 ... can be quite well matched in tooth and claw but the Bear always wears the Tiger out. It is a similarly powerful animal but more durable and very difficult to kill. The biggest threat to the Tiger is exhaustion. It is concerned with a surprise killing ... but is stress induced during a fight with its own kind or Bear and may die more readily from this than from the wounds it directly receives. Tigers have a tendency to shut down from rapid exhaustion more so than the wounds it may receive and here the Bear will take advantage ... ". " ... Some male Bears can be amongst the most powerful and ferocious adversaries for any animal. I have lost friends ... and the Tiger is no match for him ... ". Reply #318:
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Post by brobear on Jun 3, 2022 0:45:24 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jun 3, 2022 0:47:11 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jun 3, 2022 0:49:16 GMT -5
Montezuma - According to well-known animal trainer, Howard Ward, a Grizzly bear can beat an African lion in a fight.
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Post by brobear on Jun 3, 2022 0:50:37 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jun 3, 2022 0:52:27 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jun 3, 2022 0:55:23 GMT -5
Montezuma - One of the greatest finds by Venom lord. I think that this account belongs to this thread since "it favour the adult male brown bear over an adult male tiger."
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Post by brobear on Jun 3, 2022 1:12:42 GMT -5
American Bears - Selections from the Writings of Theodore Roosevelt. ( Note: before T. Roosevelt's hunting expeditions in Africa ) Old Ephraim. How the prowess of the grizzly compares with that of the lion or tiger would be hard to say; I have never shot either of the latter myself, and my brother, who has killed tigers in India, has never had a chance at a grizzly. Any one of the big bears we killed on the mountains would, I should think, have been able to make short work of either a lion or a tiger; for the grizzly is greatly superior in bulk and muscular power to either of the great cats, and its teeth are as large as theirs, while its claws, though blunter, are much longer; nevertheless, I believe that a lion or a tiger would be fully as dangerous to a human being, on account of the superior speed of its charge, the lightning-like rapidity of its movements, and its apparently sharper senses. Still, after all is said, the man should have a thoroughly trustworthy weapon and fairly cool head, who would follow into its own haunts and slay grim Old Ephraim.
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Post by brobear on Jun 3, 2022 1:17:15 GMT -5
Book: American Serengeti - Africa might have retained its lions and elephants, hyenas and cheetahs, but the post-Pleistocene version of the American Serengeti had another king of beasts, the grizzly. which played a god-like, lion-like role on the prairies. The grizzly was then - and still is - the historic Great Plains counterpart to the lion or leopard of the Masai Mara or the striped tiger of the steamy jungles of the Bengal: the largest and most powerful creature of the landmass, fully capable of killing humans, fully capable under certain unusual conditions of consuming humans, too. In Cary's time on the plains most Americans were still hunters - George Armstrong Custer took time off from chasing Indians to shoot a grizzly in South Dakota that same summer - but in the nineteenth century we still understood that we had been prey almost as much as we'd been predators. Naturally we look especially closely and with a certain primal dread at any animal that might configure us as a meal. And especially so at an animal like a bear that is so much more human-like in its attack than big cats or sharks.
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Post by brobear on Jun 3, 2022 1:23:33 GMT -5
In The Essential Grizzly, Doug and Andrea Peacock - Since the dawn of human consciousness, great beasts have prowled the shadows of our primal campfires. They stalked us as prey on the African savanna, lingered near the mouth of our caves in Pleistocene Europe, and traveled with us across Beringia into the New World. The creatures hunted us, as we hunted them. They were there at the origins of hominid religious practice, and we scratched their images on the innermost walls of the first human art galleries. They were lions, crocodiles, and tigers. But mostly they were bears.
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Post by brobear on Jun 3, 2022 2:14:17 GMT -5
The Monarch Bear www.monarchbear.org/monarch/ "Monarch lived for 22 years in captivity during this transition from flesh and fur commercial coup to mythical beast - embodying the heart and soul of Californians." Bear in Mind - The California Grizzly *Note: If you search online for lion vs grizzly information, you are likely to discover a story ( a fabrication created by lion fan-boys ) that says that the African lion named Parnell fought and killed Monarch. However, his true story is well known and documented. Monarch never in his life fought a lion.
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Post by brobear on Jun 3, 2022 2:25:21 GMT -5
IF there is one true authentic version of the story of Ramadam and Parnell, this is it: Bell ( 1930 : 106 ) mentioned a fight staged in Mexico between a grizzly and a lion that had been imported from Africa: "When a few years ago, a Los Angeles County grizzly was sent to Monterrey, Mexico, to be pitted against the man-killing African lion 'Parnell' the great Californian ( the grizzly Ramadam ) handled the African king as a cat would a rat. He killed him so quickly that the big audience hardly knew how it was done." *Note: this is in the book; California Grizzly ( published before home computers ). The actual newspaper clipping ( not a copy ) is hanging on the wall of the Capital building in Sacramento, California.
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Post by brobear on Jun 3, 2022 2:35:59 GMT -5
The Bear: History of a Fallen King by Michel Pastoureau, George Holoch Although they sometimes staged battles in the arena between bears and bulls ( the bears almost always won ), they especially liked to see wild animals brought from Africa or Asia fight one another or against men. Sometimes, however, curiosity made them wonder about the strength of a bear or a bull compared to that of an animal from afar, and so there were battles between bears and lions, bears and panthers, bulls and lions, bulls and an elephant, and even a bear and a rhinoceros. Although bulls, fighting alone or in a group, seem never to have been victorious, a bear always won in single combat against a lion or against several panthers. But that was not enough to make the bear the king of beasts in the eyes of the Romans. Like the Greeks - who had little fondness for animal combat - they preferred to install on the throne either lion or, perhaps more frequently, the elephant. There never seems to have been a battle between a bear and an elephant, but Martial recorded a combat in Rome late in the first century of our era between a bear and a rhinoceros: the latter won easily, piercing the bear's stomach with its horn, then lifting its wounded opponent from the ground with its snout and tossing it in the air several times. A cruel humiliation for the European champion.
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Post by brobear on Jun 3, 2022 2:52:16 GMT -5
Here is what the desperate juvenile fanboy ( praised by all of his admins ) considers to be a biologist's claim that a tiger is stronger than a brown bear: Quote: A new recent video of Pavel Fomenko (a leading tiger expert, game biologist & chief coordinator of the Amur branch of WWF Russia) answering the question of who is stronger, a tiger or a bear. Who is stronger, a tiger or a bear?
Interviewer: I saw that there are a lot of such queries in Google and Yandex: Who is stronger, the tiger or the bear?
Fomenko: Well, you know, judging by the fact that I often find bear claws in tiger excrement, there's the answer for you (he laughs), who is stronger.
Interviewer: Well, basically, in principle its the tiger that hunts the bear like a delicious.... fatty, well, for a delicious fatty steak, or do they have any other conflict situations?
Fomenko: Uh, well, conflicts (fights) may happen, but quite rarely. Such stories are known, but, of course, the tiger hunts bears for a delicious fat steak.
Then at 5:11 in the video, Fomenko states that tigresses with cubs (and tigers in general) are unpretentious, they can sleep, in general, wherever they feel comfortable. They will even sleep in old bear dens, and fresh bear dens and will even pull bears out of their dens, kill and eat them. *Note: Nothing new here. Adult male tigers ambush and kill juvenile and adult female brown bears as well as moon bears. The bear prey is always smaller than the tiger; Nearly always by at least 100 pounds.
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