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Post by tom on Jun 27, 2021 6:19:28 GMT -5
9-10 ft would be much more believable. 11ft tall would be freak... I don't have any data but I have not read or heard of any Brown bear that measured 11 ft. brobear any idea what Goliath or Clyde measured while standing bipedal?
The original Bart the Bear was 9' 6" tall
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Post by tom on Jun 27, 2021 6:29:36 GMT -5
Here is Goliath mounted for visual perspective.
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Post by brobear on Jun 27, 2021 6:53:46 GMT -5
Not sure if this will help: shaggygod.proboards.com/thread/474/guinness-world-record-kodiak-bears *I would personally consider any brown bear above the height of 10 feet as an absolute freak. Some inches possibly, but, like you Tom, 11 feet is pushing believability. Notice that no inches were added into those "measurements," which is a bit odd. Most sites in talking about Bart the Bear simply place him at 10 feet tall ( not a lie - simply a rounded-off number ). So, it is very possible that those two bears were measured and I would actually be very surprised if they never were. Remember how, on Star Trek, Mr. Spock was always agitated by the humans always rounding-off numbers?
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Post by tom on Jun 27, 2021 7:34:54 GMT -5
You make a good point. What are the chances that they measure exactly to the foot and no inches.... Here is an unconfirmed article that put Goliath at 12 ft. Although probably a stretch..... of the truth and I don't put much stock into it's authenticity. My guess is the Space Farms zoo & museum bumped it up some to attract visitors. www.roadsideamerica.com/story/3320
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Post by brobear on Jun 27, 2021 8:18:51 GMT -5
I will add; although this has been mentioned before, Goliath and Clyde were both as big if not bigger than the record polar bear. Now, some will complain that we are comparing a bear raised in captivity to a bear shot in the wild. But ( IMO ) that argument is mute considering that polar bears do not reach record weights in captivity. What zoo can feed a bear on anything more fatty than pure blubber? Although classified as a separate species, and much different than all others in lifestyle and appearance, no family tree of the brown bears would be complete without the polar bear.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2021 11:58:43 GMT -5
Not sure if this will help: shaggygod.proboards.com/thread/474/guinness-world-record-kodiak-bears *I would personally consider any brown bear above the height of 10 feet as an absolute freak. Some inches possibly, but, like you Tom, 11 feet is pushing believability. Notice that no inches were added into those "measurements," which is a bit odd. Most sites in talking about Bart the Bear simply place him at 10 feet tall ( not a lie - simply a rounded-off number ). So, it is very possible that those two bears were measured and I would actually be very surprised if they never were. Remember how, on Star Trek, Mr. Spock was always agitated by the humans always rounding-off numbers? He have a height around 2,5 m These heights of 3 m biped and 1,5 meters at the shoulders are exaggerated
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Post by brobear on Jun 27, 2021 12:14:58 GMT -5
2.5 meters is equal to 8 feet 2.40 inches tall. Bart the Bear stood 9 feet 6 inches tall. 3 meters is equal to 9 feet 10.08 inches which is easily possible. 1.5 meters is equal to 4 feet 11 inches high at the shoulders. Hmmm... feasibly possible ( IMO ) as a polar bear can reach several inches above 5 feet at shoulder height. *Something to consider concerning brown bears. Far more bears are never measured or weighed than those that are; including those killed by trophy hunters.
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Post by tom on Jun 27, 2021 16:37:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2021 12:59:40 GMT -5
When looking at sizes of some Kodiak bears, they are really huge. They dwarf interior brown bears when size by side. A good example pair lives in Orsa Rovdjurspark in Sweden. There a 300 kg Eurasian brown bear (before hibernation) lives in same enclosure with Kodiak bear, who was last time, when weighed before hibernation 533 kg. When they are side by side, that Eurasian brown bear looks like a cub. And such 300 kg bear is already quite big.
And what comes to 150 cm shoulder height and 300 cm tallness on hind legs for big Kodiak bears, it´s what experts tell and also it can be seen in some photos that it´s very possible. I had my doubts at one point, but nowadays I´m convinced that there are that big brown bears. Naturally most are a bit smaller, but biggest ones are in their own league. Good to remember, that experts in Kodiak Islands tell, that about 10% of Kodiak bears are really big ones, not all.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jul 2, 2021 5:43:55 GMT -5
The largest captive Kodiak bears actually outweigh the wild polar bears including Stan.
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Post by BruteStrength on Jul 19, 2021 23:57:23 GMT -5
I don't know if I asked this already. But why do people refer to bears as Kodiaks that live outside of Kodiak Island?
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jul 20, 2021 3:56:29 GMT -5
I don't know if I asked this already. But why do people refer to bears as Kodiaks that live outside of Kodiak Island? The only brown bears referred to as kodiak outside the island are these in zoos (offspring of these bears captured to the zoo), these naturally raise in the wild outside the island are not kodiaks. The Kamkatcha bear is like the ‘kodiak bear’ of the east.
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Post by brobear on Jul 20, 2021 4:00:28 GMT -5
I don't know if I asked this already. But why do people refer to bears as Kodiaks that live outside of Kodiak Island? To a biologist, the Alaskan peninsula brown bear is a grizzly. To the sport-hunter, he is a Kodiak bear. Personally, I believe that the Alaskan peninsula brown bear should be separate from both and returned to: Ursus arctos gyas. My personal theory ( unproven ) is that during the Ice Age, both the Kodiak and the Peninsula brown bear were one-and-the-same. But then, as the ice began to melt, and Kodiak Island became separated from the mainland, some were stranded on the island while others remained on the continent. Those which remained on the mainland, through the centuries, have been breeding with inland grizzlies. But... this is merely my theory.
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Post by BruteStrength on Jul 21, 2021 20:55:27 GMT -5
Ok Brobear so what you're saying is that the alaskan peninsula brown bear bred with the inland grizzlies?
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Post by brobear on Jul 22, 2021 0:49:33 GMT -5
Ok Brobear so what you're saying is that the alaskan peninsula brown bear bred with the inland grizzlies? IF a grizzly will breed with a polar bear, then I have no doubts about it. I feel confident that they did occasionally and still do occasionally.
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Post by BruteStrength on Jul 24, 2021 23:57:10 GMT -5
I agree with you Brobear. This is why you are the master when it comes to bears. Your knowledge on bears is great.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jul 25, 2021 0:12:34 GMT -5
Ok Brobear so what you're saying is that the alaskan peninsula brown bear bred with the inland grizzlies? IF a grizzly will breed with a polar bear, then I have no doubts about it. I feel confident that they did occasionally and still do occasionally. If a Peninsula Alaskan grizzly breeds with an inland grizzly, it will be hard to tell the cubs apart.
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Post by tom on Jul 25, 2021 6:47:25 GMT -5
You likely wouldn't be able to tell the difference until they were much older. The offspring would likely grow to be quite a bit larger then which ever parent was the inland Grizzly.
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Post by brobear on Jul 29, 2021 12:28:48 GMT -5
You likely wouldn't be able to tell the difference until they were much older. The offspring would likely grow to be quite a bit larger then which ever parent was the inland Grizzly. The cubs future size would depend heavily on his diet, which in turn would depend on who his mother is. Of course, genetics would also play a role too.
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Post by AnimalEnthusiast1789 on Apr 28, 2024 3:06:22 GMT -5
Here's a weight chart for Kodiak Bears weighing 497KG. Sample number is 55. Credits to silver and gold for the making the chart btw.
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