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Post by theundertaker45 on May 26, 2020 9:54:37 GMT -5
The weight consists of both fall/spring specimens.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 26, 2020 9:58:03 GMT -5
The weight consists both of fall/spring specimens. Even better. Awesome.
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Post by brobear on May 26, 2020 16:49:38 GMT -5
All the bears inhabiting the coastal regions (Alaska Peninsula/Kamchatka/Kodiak) seem to be genetically related to each other and assumingly differ from the inland populations. I really hope that some studies will be conducted on this matter. My thoughts on this matter; during the late Pleistocene, some Kamchatka bears crossed over Beringia into Alaska. When the ice began slowly to melt, some bears were stranding on what is now the Kodiak islands. Others of the same group were left on the mainland. Those on the mainland ( peninsula brown bears ) were Kodiak bears. But, over the centuries, they have been blending with the inland variety of brown bears ( related to the Ussuri brown bears ).
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Post by BruteStrength on Jun 20, 2020 23:09:45 GMT -5
Im confused a little on this. Some people say the kodiak bears live exclusively on kodiak island but some people that I see online refer to the katmai bears as kodiak as well. This make sit so confusing for me.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jun 20, 2020 23:28:32 GMT -5
/\ Kodiak bears live on Kodiak Island. The brown bears which live in Katmai are Alaskan brown bears. Some people confuse these two bears.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 20, 2020 23:29:17 GMT -5
Im confused a little on this. Some people say the kodiak bears live exclusively on kodiak island but some people that I see online refer to the katmai bears as kodiak as well. This make sit so confusing for me. Dont listen to people online. Most dont know crap. Katmai bears are Alaskan peninsula brown bears. Kodiak bears only live on Kodiak island and surrounding islands.
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Post by BruteStrength on Jun 20, 2020 23:32:48 GMT -5
Ok That's what I thought but I thought I was going crazy.
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Post by BruteStrength on Jun 20, 2020 23:43:38 GMT -5
So what are really kodiak bears when i go to google images becuase when I type in kodiak bears all type of bears come up that aren't kodiaks?
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 20, 2020 23:55:28 GMT -5
So what are really kodiak bears when i go to google images becuase when I type in kodiak bears all type of bears come up that aren't kodiaks? Yeah that happens. You just have to see that it says Kodiak bear. But we have most likely seen all pictures already.
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Post by brobear on Jun 21, 2020 5:07:18 GMT -5
And here we have the battle of the gigantic brown bears: A Kodiak bear (left) taking on a coastal brown bear (right).
Here they are, face-to-face. The two largest living brown bear sub-species.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 21, 2020 9:03:08 GMT -5
You know who wins right? There is no doubt.
URSUS ARCTOS MIDDENDORFFI The best of the land.
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Post by BruteStrength on Jun 21, 2020 14:11:44 GMT -5
So are these both the same subspecies because if you go to wikipedia they are both listed as Ursus arctos middendorffi,
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 21, 2020 14:19:27 GMT -5
So are these both the same subspecies because if you go to wikipedia they are both listed as Ursus arctos middendorffi, No, different subspecies. Alaskan Peninsula brown bears are (Ursus arctos horribilis), formerly (Ursus arctos Gyas). Kodiak bear is the only (Ursus arctos Middendorffi), the one and only.
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Post by BruteStrength on Jun 21, 2020 14:29:25 GMT -5
But on wiki both say U. a. middendorffi / horribilis.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 21, 2020 14:37:34 GMT -5
But on wiki both say U. a. middendorffi / horribilis. I dont know what you are looking at, here is wiki:
Kodiak bear: Ursus arctos middendorffi:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodiak_bear
Alaskan peninsula brown bear: Ursus arctos horribilis:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Peninsula_brown_bear
I see what you are saying, it says Middendorffi/horribilis, and thats confusing, but its horribilis. Middendorffi are only kodiak bears. Some bear biologists dont agree, but most do.
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Post by BruteStrength on Jun 21, 2020 14:41:46 GMT -5
Ok so you see that it's the same? ha ha I knew I wasn't going crazy.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jun 21, 2020 14:44:34 GMT -5
It says exactly this:
according to other sources, it is a population of the mainland brown bear subspecies (Ursus arctos horribilis),[3] or the Kodiak bearsubspecies (U. a. middendorffi).[4]
"Or" its not both of them, its one of them. Most bear biologists have it as Horribilis.
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Post by BruteStrength on Jun 21, 2020 16:26:14 GMT -5
Ok I see now.
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Post by tom on Jun 21, 2020 17:55:35 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Jun 21, 2020 18:17:05 GMT -5
Biologists only refer to the bears of the Kodiak Islands as Kodiak bears. The all other brown bears of the N. American mainland as grizzlies; although the big coastal brown bears are generally called just that, coastal brown bears. Rather confusing. However, hunters generally refer to the coastal brown bears as being Kodiak bears ( Boone and Crockett Club ). *They are all brown bears ( Ursus arctos ).
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